very comfortable. After about 10 different iterations I have the seat to the point where it is the least uncomfortable, and I am not sure it will ever be really comfortable. I miss those big granny seats that old road bikes used to have.
Have you considered one of the big sprung Brooks saddles like the B66/B67? I just got a B67 for the stoker seat on a tandem...
No, I haven't. I have no idea what is available here, and I haven't investigated it yet.
If you don't believe that the existing saddle will ever be comfortable, and you miss big saddles, maybe you should.
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Oh, excuse me "saddle." lol
I'm not sure what is amusing about using the correct terminology. Do you also laugh at horse riders who refer to what they sit on as "saddles"? -- David Damerell <[email hidden]> Kill the tomato!
Dunno Pete. I'll have to measure those when I get back home (traveling now).
Reason I'm asking: as the handlegrips become higher than the saddle, your weight and balance shift backwards until, at the "sit-up-and-beg"/"apehanger" extreme what has to accomodate your butt becomes a seat - which has very different requirements from a saddle.
I'd call a seat something that you sit 100% of your weight on all the time. OTOH, I'd call a saddle something that you use as a guide and which supports some of your weight most of the time albiet all of your weight some of the time.
Also, as your postion becomes more aero, your sit bones tilt to where a narrower section of them contacts the saddle - hence somebody who rides aero all day would need a narrower saddle than the same person who rode in a more mountain-bikish posture. -- PeteCresswell
Michael J. Klein <[email hidden]> wrote: >very comfortable. After about 10 different iterations I have the seat >to the point where it is the least uncomfortable, and I am not sure it >will ever be really comfortable. I miss those big granny seats that >old road bikes used to have. Have you considered one of the big sprung Brooks saddles like the B66/B67? I just got a B67 for the stoker seat on a tandem...
No, I haven't. I have no idea what is available here, and I haven't investigated it yet.
If you don't believe that the existing saddle will ever be comfortable, and you miss big saddles, maybe you should.
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Oh, excuse me "saddle." lol
I'm not sure what is amusing about using the correct terminology. Do you also laugh at horse riders who refer to what they sit on as "saddles"?
I'm not sure why you asked this question. Michael J. Klein [email hidden] Dasi Jen, Taoyuan Hsien, Taiwan, ROC Please replace mousepotato with asiancastings ---------------------------------------------
Dunno Pete. I'll have to measure those when I get back home (traveling now).
Reason I'm asking: as the handlegrips become higher than the saddle, your weight and balance shift backwards until, at the "sit-up-and-beg"/"apehanger" extreme what has to accomodate your butt becomes a seat - which has very different requirements from a saddle.
I'd call a seat something that you sit 100% of your weight on all the time. OTOH, I'd call a saddle something that you use as a guide and which supports some of your weight most of the time albiet all of your weight some of the time.
Also, as your postion becomes more aero, your sit bones tilt to where a narrower section of them contacts the saddle - hence somebody who rides aero all day would need a narrower saddle than the same person who rode in a more mountain-bikish posture.
You always have a good reason for asking Pete 🙂 The bars are not higher than the saddle, but I can easily do the measurements when I return. I've been playing at the CNC shop and I'm not done yet. Michael J. Klein [email hidden] Dasi Jen, Taoyuan Hsien, Taiwan, ROC Please replace mousepotato with asiancastings ---------------------------------------------
On Mon, 05 Jul 2004 19:16:19 +0800, Michael J. Klein <[email hidden]> wrote in message <[email hidden]>:
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I didn't want to change the seat until I've tried all the different. Oh, excuse me "saddle." lol
My recumbent has a seat, my wedgies have saddles.
I get wedgies from saddles sometimes. Michael J. Klein [email hidden] Dasi Jen, Taoyuan Hsien, Taiwan, ROC Please replace mousepotato with asiancastings ---------------------------------------------
Dunno Pete. I'll have to measure those when I get back home (traveling now).
Reason I'm asking: as the handlegrips become higher than the saddle, your weight and balance shift backwards until, at the "sit-up-and-beg"/"apehanger" extreme what has to accomodate your butt becomes a seat - which has very different requirements from a saddle.
I'd call a seat something that you sit 100% of your weight on all the time. OTOH, I'd call a saddle something that you use as a guide and which supports some of your weight most of the time albiet all of your weight some of the time.
Also, as your postion becomes more aero, your sit bones tilt to where a narrower section of them contacts the saddle - hence somebody who rides aero all day would need a narrower saddle than the same person who rode in a more mountain-bikish posture.
As my position becomes more "aero", I put less weight on the seat base and more on the seat back. 😉 For what it is worth, my handlebars are about 38-cm (15"😉 above the seat.
Followup: After the new clamp on the stem, the height of the bar is very comfortable.
Just out of curiosity:
1) How far off the ground are the handlebar grips
103 cm from ground to centerline on the grips.
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2) How far off the ground is the top of the saddle?
102 cm. Michael J. Klein [email hidden] Dasi Jen, Taoyuan Hsien, Taiwan, ROC Please replace mousepotato with asiancastings ---------------------------------------------
Dunno Pete. I'll have to measure those when I get back home (traveling now).
Reason I'm asking: as the handlegrips become higher than the saddle, your weight and balance shift backwards until, at the "sit-up-and-beg"/"apehanger" extreme what has to accomodate your butt becomes a seat - which has very different requirements from a saddle.
I'd call a seat something that you sit 100% of your weight on all the time. OTOH, I'd call a saddle something that you use as a guide and which supports some of your weight most of the time albiet all of your weight some of the time.
Also, as your postion becomes more aero, your sit bones tilt to where a narrower section of them contacts the saddle - hence somebody who rides aero all day would need a narrower saddle than the same person who rode in a more mountain-bikish posture.
As my position becomes more "aero", I put less weight on the seat base and more on the seat back. 😉 For what it is worth, my handlebars are about 38-cm (15"😉 above the seat.
As my position becomes more "aero", I put less weight on the seat base and more on the seat back. 😉 For what it is worth, my handlebars are about 38-cm (15"😉 above the seat.
Michael J. Klein <[email hidden]> wrote: >Oh, excuse me "saddle." lol I'm not sure what is amusing about using the correct terminology. Do you also laugh at horse riders who refer to what they sit on as "saddles"?
I'm not sure why you asked this question.
Because I want to know why you wrote what you did.
The answer is - a guy can't even correct himself with a lighthearted chuckle without someone taking offense or questioning the movitation.
Now, regarding your answer - I believe that you just want to pick a fight, because this cannot possibly be so important that you had to call me on it.
Michael J. Klein [email hidden] Dasi Jen, Taoyuan Hsien, Taiwan, ROC Please replace mousepotato with asiancastings ---------------------------------------------
<[email hidden]> wrote: >Michael J. Klein <[email hidden]> wrote: >>Oh, excuse me "saddle." lol >I'm not sure what is amusing about using the correct terminology. Do you >also laugh at horse riders who refer to what they sit on as "saddles"? I'm not sure why you asked this question.
Because I want to know why you wrote what you did.
The answer is - a guy can't even correct himself with a lighthearted chuckle without someone taking offense or questioning the movitation.
Oh, I see. I misunderstood it as a laugh at the expense of people who use the correct terminology; I had not yet seen any posts from you where you used the word "saddle" yourself.
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Now, regarding your answer - I believe that you just want to pick a fight,
If I want to pick a fight I'll call you a nasty name. -- David Damerell <[email hidden]> Kill the tomato!
<[email hidden]> wrote: >Michael J. Klein <[email hidden]> wrote: >>Oh, excuse me "saddle." lol >I'm not sure what is amusing about using the correct terminology. Do you >also laugh at horse riders who refer to what they sit on as "saddles"? I'm not sure why you asked this question.
Because I want to know why you wrote what you did.
The answer is - a guy can't even correct himself with a lighthearted chuckle without someone taking offense or questioning the movitation.
Now, regarding your answer - I believe that you just want to pick a fight, because this cannot possibly be so important that you had to call me on it.
Michael J. Klein [email hidden] Dasi Jen, Taoyuan Hsien, Taiwan, ROC Please replace mousepotato with asiancastings ---------------------------------------------
Dear Michael,
You must remember that David takes himself so seriously that he leaves nothing for the rest of us.
As my position becomes more "aero", I put less weight on the seat base and more on the seat back. 😉 For what it is worth, my handlebars are about 38-cm (15"😉 above the seat.
