MSR Windpro gas stove

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Is it compatible with EN417 screw threads or do MSR's fuel
cannisters have an incompatible screw thread?

My MSR Pocket Rocket has no problems with the 3 or 4 brands
of gas canisters so I would be shocked if it were a problem
with any of their gas stoves.

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As for pots and pans, I'm looking at the titatiium variety.
Many retailers sell MSR's Titan cookset at around £80 but
field and trek sell Snowpeak titanium pots for £50 -
subtantially cheaper than those from MSR. My question is
really whether there's anything wrong or lacking with
Snowpeak's pots that makes them cheaper. Does anyone have
experience with these pots?

No but take a look at the Primus anodized aluminium pots too
- the Litech range. They are durable, non-stick and
relatively light but not as light as the titanium offerings.

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When going light I use their 1 litre kettle that weighs 220g
(including lid and built in handle).

Might be tempted to get a Snowpeak one now you mention them!
Will have to take a look next time I'm in the shops.

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Dyer said:

As for pots and pans, I'm looking at the titatiium
variety. Many retailers sell MSR's Titan cookset at around
£80 but field and trek sell Snowpeak titanium pots for £50
- subtantially cheaper than those from MSR. My question is
really whether there's anything wrong or lacking with
Snowpeak's pots that makes them cheaper. Does anyone have
experience with these pots?

I'm not convinced as of yet. I tend to settle for the MSR
Blacklite range which is pretty lightweight, non stick and
no slippy on top of your stove. Titanium pots are lighter
but then they are nearly always smaller!

--
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Hello Everyone,

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I'm now in the market for a new stove and cookset to
replace my ageing mess-tins and epigas alpine stove. My
main requirement is to reduce the kit weight of my pack
and to that end, I don't mind paying a bit more for
less weight.

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I came across the MSR Windpro - a stove where the burner
is connected to a gas cannister via a hose - rather than
sitting on top of the gas cannister. This is my preffered
type of stove as I can squeeze an extra day or two's worth
of gas out of a cannister this way (and save on fuel
weight). The minimum weight is quoted as being 193g -
nearly half the weight of my rusting epigas alpine stove.

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Has anyone used this stove? If so, how does it perform? In
particular, is the flame liable to flare up if I tip the
gas cannister upside down to get the last bit of fuel out
- or is the preheater effective enough at preventing this?
Is it compatible with EN417 screw threads or do MSR's fuel
cannisters have an incompatible screw thread?

Quoted message said:

As for pots and pans, I'm looking at the titatiium
variety. Many retailers sell MSR's Titan cookset at around
£80 but field and trek sell Snowpeak titanium pots for £50
- subtantially cheaper than those from MSR. My question is
really whether there's anything wrong or lacking with
Snowpeak's pots that makes them cheaper. Does anyone have
experience with these pots?

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Comments Appreciated

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Anthony Dyer www.mountain-walking.org.uk

Hi Anthony,

I was was given some Nevisport gift tokens at Xmas and
decided I would use it to lighten my cookwear. I went for
the MSR Pocket Rocket at 85g. It comes in a red plastic
'Toblerone' case which gives very good in-sack protection.
Can't see why this top of canister design would give less
gas lifetime than the Windpro? If you really want to go
lightweight and can keep the cooking simple, why not go for
the MSR Titan Kettle. I find it the perfect size for 1-man
cookpot and a 220g gas can stores very neatly inside. Add a
Titan mug for a brew whilst the kettle is on and it's the
perfect lightweight solution IMHO!

--
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Anthony Dyer said:

I came across the MSR Windpro -

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The minimum weight is quoted as being 193g - nearly half
the weight of my rusting epigas alpine stove.

My Coleman 3001 gas stove only weighs 230g, cost me £12 in
Millets as I recall.

Quoted message said:

As for pots and pans, I'm looking at the titatiium
variety. Many retailers sell MSR's Titan cookset at around
£80 but field and trek sell Snowpeak titanium pots for £50
- subtantially cheaper than those from MSR. My question is
really whether there's anything wrong or lacking with
Snowpeak's pots that makes them cheaper. Does anyone have
experience with these pots?

Seems a hell of a price to pay for pots and pans. Are you
justifying the price with low weight or do you have
something against aluminium?

I notice that the Titan 2L pot and lid weighs 185g and
costs £70.

My pot and lid (not sure of the size, perhaps 1.5 L) weighs
only 162g. In addition I have a medium (38g) and small (28g)
saucepan. Whole lot weighs just 228g. Cost me about a fiver
in Millets.

Heaviest item is the pan handle which I saved from my
ancient Trangia set, that weighs 49g.

Paul
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Don't use gas stoves, more empty canisters,,,, I prefer a
Trangia cook kit, foolproof, bomb proof, packs small, is
light, cheap to run and never needs servicing. I also use an
87 year old primus stove.

Rik Classic stove collector

PS. take a look at

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Quoted message said:

Hello Everyone,

I'm now in the market for a new stove and cookset to
replace my ageing mess-tins and epigas alpine stove. My
main requirement is to reduce the

kit

Quoted message said:

weight of my pack and to that end, I don't mind paying a
bit more for less weight.

I came across the MSR Windpro - a stove where the burner
is connected to a gas cannister via a hose - rather than
sitting on top of the gas

cannister.

Quoted message said:

This is my preffered type of stove as I can squeeze an
extra day or two's worth of gas out of a cannister this
way (and save on fuel weight). The minimum weight is
quoted as being 193g - nearly half the weight of my
rusting epigas alpine stove.

Has anyone used this stove? If so, how does it perform? In
particular,

is

Quoted message said:

the flame liable to flare up if I tip the gas cannister
upside down to get the last bit of fuel out - or is the
preheater effective enough at preventing this? Is it
compatible with EN417 screw threads or do MSR's

fuel

Quoted message said:

cannisters have an incompatible screw thread?

As for pots and pans, I'm looking at the titatiium
variety. Many

retailers

Quoted message said:

sell MSR's Titan cookset at around £80 but field and trek
sell Snowpeak titanium pots for £50 - subtantially cheaper
than those from MSR. My question is really whether there's
anything wrong or lacking with

Snowpeak's

Quoted message said:

pots that makes them cheaper. Does anyone have experience
with these

pots?

Quoted message said:

Comments Appreciated

Anthony Dyer www.mountain-walking.org.uk

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Can't see why this top of canister design would give less
gas lifetime than the Windpro?

If the cannister is connected to the burner with a hose,
then you can turn the cannister upside down and shake the
remaining bit of fuel out of the cannister. It's a good
way of getting all your gas without putting up with an
infuriatingly slow flame when the cannister is running on
empty. That's my theory anyway, I'm not sure if this is
the case in practise though (never having had a top
mounted burner).

On my most recent Narvik trip, I was able to get about six
and a half days worth of cooking with a 250 gram primus gas
cannister. I'm not sure how well the pocket rocket would
perform in conparison but if it meant having to take an
extra cannister, then the weight saved by bringing a pocket
rocket would be offset by having to carry an extra
cannister.

Richard Baker said:

Don't use gas stoves, more empty canisters,,,, I prefer
a Trangia cook kit, foolproof, bomb proof, packs small,
is light,

Trangia? Light?

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cheap to run

Cheap? Meths worked out a lot more expensive than petrol for
me and I had problems obtaining it in a number of places.

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hmmm ......

I thought it was the pressure difference between the
canister and the outside world that made it come out so it
shouldn't make any difference what way around it is... Might
be wrong though.

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Can't see why this top of canister design would give
less gas lifetime than the Windpro?

If the cannister is connected to the burner with a hose,
then you can turn the cannister upside down and shake the
remaining bit of fuel out of the cannister. It's a good
way of getting all your gas without putting up

with

Quoted message said:

an infuriatingly slow flame when the cannister is running
on empty. That's my theory anyway, I'm not sure if this is
the case in practise though

(never

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having had a top mounted burner).

On my most recent Narvik trip, I was able to get about six
and a half days worth of cooking with a 250 gram primus
gas cannister. I'm not sure how well the pocket rocket
would perform in conparison but if it meant having

to

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take an extra cannister, then the weight saved by bringing
a pocket rocket would be offset by having to carry an
extra cannister.

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If the cannister is connected to the burner with a hose,
then you can turn the cannister upside down and shake the
remaining bit of fuel out of the cannister. It's a good
way of getting all your gas without putting up with an
infuriatingly slow flame when the cannister is running on
empty. That's my theory anyway, I'm not sure if this is
the case in practise though (never having had a top
mounted burner).

That can be a very dangerous procedure.

The amount of gas at the burner is due to the vapour
pressure within the canister and that in turn is dependent
on the temperature of the liquid gas, not the amount of
liquid gas remaining. Why a nearly empty can is less
effective than a fuller can is that change from liquid phase
to gas within the can takes heat and the smaller the amount
remaining the greater the temperature reduction in the can
for the same amount of heat at the burner. Warmth from the
hand can help if you can stand it and is probably the real
reason why shaking appears to work after a fashion but
holding the can firmly in the hand will do much better than
gripping it just with the fingers to shake it.

Turning the can upside down results in the liquid phase
being expelled from the can.

--
Roger Chapman so far this year 34 summits New - 18 (Marilyns
6, Sweats 1, Outlying Fells 11) Repeats - 16( Marilyns 5,
Sweats 11, Wainwrights 11) Knackered knee - 4 times

Paul Saunders said:

Cheap? Meths worked out a lot more expensive than
petrol for me and I had problems obtaining it in a
number of places.

It does depend on where you're getting your supply. On the
continent it costs next to nothing and is very widely
available, unlike here. If you work (or know someone who
works) in a laboratory then industrial quantities of pure
spirit are often available for effectively nowt, but that's
quite a big "if"!

Pete.
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Roger said:

Warmth from the hand can help if you can stand it and is
probably the real reason why shaking appears to work after
a fashion but holding the can firmly in the hand will do
much better than gripping it just with the fingers to
shake it.

I find putting the canister on or near the flame quite an
effective way of waking it up if emptyish or cold. It's
probably not recommended as safe practice though!

Rhys

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If the cannister is connected to the burner with a hose,
then you can

turn

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the cannister upside down and shake the remaining bit of
fuel out of the cannister. It's a good way of getting
all your gas without putting up

with

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an infuriatingly slow flame when the cannister is
running on empty.

That's

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my theory anyway, I'm not sure if this is the case in
practise though

(never

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having had a top mounted burner).

That can be a very dangerous procedure.

The amount of gas at the burner is due to the vapour
pressure within the canister and that in turn is dependent
on the temperature of the liquid gas, not the amount of
liquid gas remaining. Why a nearly empty can is less
effective than a fuller can is that change from liquid
phase to gas within the can takes heat and the smaller the
amount remaining the greater the temperature reduction in
the can for the same amount of heat at the burner. Warmth
from the hand can help if you can stand it and is probably
the real reason why shaking appears to work after a
fashion but holding the can firmly in the hand will do
much better than gripping it just with the fingers to
shake it.

Turning the can upside down results in the liquid phase
being expelled from the can.

Official documentation for the Primus Himalaya MultiFuel
(MFS) stove gives advice on using gas cartridges with that
stove in cold weather. Various non-hazardous ways of warming
the cartridge are advised. In addition the documentation
offers the following option---"Turn down the control valve
as low as possible. Now hold the gas cartridge and turn it
upside down slowly and very carefully. While doing so, you
must never lift the cartridge higher than the stove itself
to avoid a sudden burst of flame."

This stove, like some others that operate on gas, has a
vapourising tube (otherwise known as generator) next to the
flame. Fuel must pass through this heated tube before it is
released in the burner. I think the theory is that (with
exercise of due care) liquid butane may dribble down to the
vapouriser, where it makes direct contact with a hot surface
and is immediately vapourised. In effect the stove then
operates as a liquid fuel stove. It should be noted that
this stove is designed to work both with liquid fuel and
gas. The procedure outlined above could be disastrous if it
were attempted on a stove without a vapourising tube or
equivalent.

--
Alan Law

"Peter Clinch" <[email hidden]> wrote

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It does depend on where you're getting your supply. On the
continent it costs next to nothing and is very widely
available, unlike here. If you work (or know someone who
works) in a laboratory then industrial quantities of pure
spirit are often available for effectively nowt, but
that's quite a big "if"!

We use all our meths but if anyone fancies trying out some
carbon disulphide or di ethyl ether in their stove we've got
a few litres of that looking for a home along with various
chlorinated solvents.

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I find putting the canister on or near the flame quite an
effective way of waking it up if emptyish or cold. It's
probably not recommended as safe practice though!

Probably not although I have been known in the depths
of Winter to put my Calor gas container on one burner
while continuing to cook on the other. However that is
a much bigger heat sink, the container alone weighs in
at over 12 lb.

--
Roger Chapman so far this year 34 summits New - 18 (Marilyns
6, Sweats 1, Outlying Fells 11) Repeats - 16( Marilyns 5,
Sweats 11, Wainwrights 11) Knackered knee - 4 times

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That can be a very dangerous procedure.

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This stove, like some others that operate on gas, has a
vapourising tube

My epigas stove has this vapourising tube. As a matter of
routine for 10 years I always tipped the cannister upside
down when running low forcing liquid through the hose.

Only once in 10 years of regular use did this cause the
flame to flare up. This was under cold conditions - about
minus 10 celcuis, and I only just lit the stove a few
seconds before so the vaporising tube was not yet hot enough
to vapourise the fuel - hence liquid came out of the nozzle
and flared up. It was rather alarming considering this was
in my tent porch (door open thankfully) and certainly
something to add to my experience book. Another feature of
doing this is that the flame is still burning even when you
close the valve, the liquid in the hose has to burn up
before the flame goes out.

I never knew that this practice was generally considered
"very dangerous" and indeed I thought that this was common
practice with such gas stoves.

Anthony Dyer www.mountain-walking.org.uk

Anthony Dyer said:

I never knew that this practice was generally considered
"very dangerous" and indeed I thought that this was common
practice with such gas stoves.

Using gas for the first time in years I just left the fuel
bottle on its side rather than stood up. Some "interesting"
flarees resulted and it was a bit like cooking with a
temperamental liquid fuel stove. Lesson learned!

Pete.
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