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  1. Looking to buy a new bike. In the absence of adequate storage
    space, that'll be just one bike. So it'll want to serve both
    for reasonably fast on-road, carrying of modest loads (not
    necessarily full touring or supermarket load), and hacking
    across the moors on the rough. Should have mudguard and
    rear rack. Oh, and drop handlebars preferred.

    From past experience, a tourer offers the best compromise
    between all those needs. Discussing this in the LBS, they
    had a couple of contrasting candidates in stock, which I
    took out for a test spin: one classic tourer[1], and a
    sportier little number classified as "cyclocross"[2].

    I first tried the cyclocross. An aluminium frame with
    carbon forks, and rather short wheelbase. Impressively
    light to the touch, it was indeed a lively ride. I found
    its 34/25 bottom gear hard work on a stretch of uphill that
    is by no means the hardest in the area, and it became a
    bit of a boneshaker at speed - on a properly made road
    not noted for roughness! Comfortable on the drops or
    the hoods, but the bars seemed to dig into my hands when
    in the upright position. And I could feel it telling me
    "you fat slob, how dare you presume to ride "me"?
    Get into shape NOW!"

    The comparison with the tourer was chalk and cheese. It was
    a Reynolds 725 frame and a longer wheelbase than the other.
    It was also significantly heavier than the other, though that
    was in significant part due to the fact that it has all the
    accessories as standard. On the same uphill, I had no need
    of the bottom gears, yet remained within the comfort zone.
    The ride on top was a little smoother, shaking the bones a
    lot less. But going offroad on the grass was harder than
    I'm accustomed to. The positions were different too: down
    on the drops was less comfy than the other, but the upright
    position was better. One difficulty was the brakes, as I
    had to make a conscious effort to stretch the hands out
    far enough to grab the levers. But the message it whispered
    was one of comfort: "don't worry, I'll always give you an
    easy life. Have another cream cake".

    That leaves me a harder choice than before. A bike to challenge
    me and force me to get fit (or leave it to languish unloved),
    or one to comfort me in flabby decline? Or look further afield
    for other options.

    Hmmm ....

    [1] http://www.ridgeback.co.uk/index.php?seriesID=41&show_bike=TRUE
    [2] http://www.genesisbikes.co.uk/index.php?bikeID=34&show_bike=TRUE

    --
    not me guv


  2. Quoted message said:


    That leaves me a harder choice than before. A bike to challenge
    me and force me to get fit (or leave it to languish unloved),
    or one to comfort me in flabby decline? Or look further afield
    for other options.

    Sounds like a job for an On One il Pompino if ever I heard one.
    Should have plenty of room for mud tyres, fenders and pannier racks
    whilst maintaining the characteristics of a road pedigree. Would go
    well with a LeVeL bolt-on sprocket and 135mm spacer kit IMHO.

    http://www.on-one.co.uk/index.php?module=pagemaster&PAGE_user_op=view_page&PAGE_id=131&MMN_position=95:95
    http://www.hubjub.co.uk/level/level.htm

    Regards,

    Duncan.

  3. "Nick Kew" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    That leaves me a harder choice than before. A bike to challenge
    me and force me to get fit (or leave it to languish unloved),
    or one to comfort me in flabby decline? Or look further afield
    for other options.

    Go for the tourer, you'll ride it more frequently than the more challenging
    alternative.

  4. in message <[email hidden]>, Nick Kew

    (') said:

    That leaves me a harder choice than before.  A bike to challenge
    me and force me to get fit (or leave it to languish unloved),
    or one to comfort me in flabby decline?  Or look further afield
    for other options.

    If you're looking at that Genesis, look also at a Specialized Tricross (if
    you can find a dealer locally); it's a very nicely sorted out bike. I'd be
    inclined to go for the slightly sportier bike, if I were you, but not if
    you won't be comfortable on it.

    --
    [email hidden] (Simon Brooke) http://www.jasmine.org.uk/~simon/
    Ring of great evil
    Small one casts it into flame
    Bringing rise of Men ;; gonzoron

  5. in message <[email hidden]>, Duncan

    Smith (') said:


    Quoted message said:


    That leaves me a harder choice than before. A bike to challenge
    me and force me to get fit (or leave it to languish unloved),
    or one to comfort me in flabby decline? Or look further afield
    for other options.

    Sounds like a job for an On One il Pompino if ever I heard one.
    Should have plenty of room for mud tyres, fenders and pannier racks
    whilst maintaining the characteristics of a road pedigree. Would go
    well with a LeVeL bolt-on sprocket and 135mm spacer kit IMHO.


    http://www.on-one.co.uk/index.php?module=pagemaster&PAGE_user_op=view_page&PAGE_id=131&MMN_position=95:95

    Quoted message said:

    http://www.hubjub.co.uk/level/level.htm

    Single speed road bike, meet Devon hill...

    No, not very probable.

    Mind you, I suppose you could fit a Rohloff...
    http://www.sjscycles.co.uk/product-SJSC-Thorn-SPECIAL-Rohloff-Drop-Handlebars--for-22.2mm-diameter-gear-controls-11348.htm

    --
    [email hidden] (Simon Brooke) http://www.jasmine.org.uk/~simon/

    'graveyards are full of indispensable people'

  6. Nick Kew said the following on 26/03/2007 22:19:

    Quoted message said:

    But the message it whispered
    was one of comfort: "don't worry, I'll always give you an
    easy life. Have another cream cake".

    So why do you think there's a choice? :-)

    --
    Paul Boyd
    http://www.paul-boyd.co.uk/

  7. Nick Kew wrote on 26/03/2007 22:19 +0100:

    Quoted message said:


    That leaves me a harder choice than before. A bike to challenge
    me and force me to get fit (or leave it to languish unloved),
    or one to comfort me in flabby decline? Or look further afield
    for other options.

    Go for the tourer - if you get the other one those little things you
    noticed will keep niggling at you and if you are going to ride, having a
    comfortable bike you enjoy riding will do far more for getting you out
    and fit than one that you find uncomfortable and challenging once the
    flush of new ownership is over. YMMV.

    --
    Tony

    "The most savage controversies are those about matters as to which there
    is no good evidence either way."
    - Bertrand Russell

  8. Go for the Tourer, you will enjoy your cycling more and therefore do more
    miles and therefore get fitter quicker!!

    SW

  9. Duncan Smith said:


    Quoted message said:


    That leaves me a harder choice than before. A bike to challenge
    me and force me to get fit (or leave it to languish unloved),
    or one to comfort me in flabby decline? Or look further afield
    for other options.

    Sounds like a job for an On One il Pompino if ever I heard one.

    Erm... am I the only one here who knows a few rude words in Italian?

  10. Jim Higson said:
    Duncan Smith said:
    Quoted message said:

    That leaves me a harder choice than before. A bike to challenge
    me and force me to get fit (or leave it to languish unloved),
    or one to comfort me in flabby decline? Or look further afield
    for other options.

    Quoted message said:

    Sounds like a job for an On One il Pompino if ever I heard one.

    Erm... am I the only one here who knows a few rude words in Italian?

    Nope. Think Macho Italian road bike and apply irony with trowel...

  11. Jim Higson said:
    Duncan Smith said:
    Quoted message said:

    That leaves me a harder choice than before. A bike to challenge
    me and force me to get fit (or leave it to languish unloved),
    or one to comfort me in flabby decline? Or look further afield
    for other options.


    Sounds like a job for an On One il Pompino if ever I heard one.

    Erm... am I the only one here who knows a few rude words in Italian?

    no, and the models with english names aren't much better 😉

    --
    ---
    Marten


  12. Quoted message said:


    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Sounds like a job for an On One il Pompino if ever I heard one.

    Quoted message said:

    Erm... am I the only one here who knows a few rude words in Italian?

    Nope. Think Macho Italian road bike and apply irony with trowel...

    Well I never...


  13. Quoted message said:


    Single speed road bike, meet Devon hill...

    No, not very probable.

    Mind you, I suppose you could fit a Rohloff...http://www.sjscycles.co.uk/product-SJSC-Thorn-SPECIAL-Rohloff-Drop-Ha...

    Devon hill, meet torque-y legs. Derailleur gears have to be up there
    as the biggest waste of time since the Graphical User Interface.. ;-)

  14. Jim Higson said:
    Duncan Smith said:


    Quoted message said:


    That leaves me a harder choice than before. A bike to challenge
    me and force me to get fit (or leave it to languish unloved),
    or one to comfort me in flabby decline? Or look further afield
    for other options.

    Sounds like a job for an On One il Pompino if ever I heard one.

    Erm... am I the only one here who knows a few rude words in Italian?

    No.

    HTH.

    But I learn them by reading bike Pr0n.

    Tim

  15. In news:[email hidden],
    Simon Brooke <[email hidden]> tweaked the Babbage-Engine to tell us:

    Quoted message said:

    in message <[email hidden]>,
    Duncan Smith ([email hidden]'😉 wrote:

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Sounds like a job for an On One il Pompino if ever I heard one.
    Should have plenty of room for mud tyres, fenders and pannier racks
    whilst maintaining the characteristics of a road pedigree. Would go
    well with a LeVeL bolt-on sprocket and 135mm spacer kit IMHO.


    http://www.on-one.co.uk/index.php?module=pagemaster&PAGE_user_op=view_page&PAGE_id=131&MMN_position=95:95

    Quoted message said:

    http://www.hubjub.co.uk/level/level.htm

    Single speed road bike, meet Devon hill...

    No, not very probable.

    They /can/ be set up with disraeli gears coz I've seen one. Though I'm sure
    I read elsewhere that they were discontinuing the 135 mm version...

    --
    Dave Larrington
    <http://www.legslarry.beerdrinkers.co.uk>
    Dead journalists make excellent objets d'art.

  16. Dave Larrington said:
    Quoted message said:

    http://www.on-one.co.uk/index.php?module=pagemaster&PAGE_user_op=view_page&PAGE_id=131&MMN_position=95:95

    Quoted message said:

    http://www.hubjub.co.uk/level/level.htm


    Single speed road bike, meet Devon hill...

    No, not very probable.

    They /can/ be set up with disraeli gears coz I've seen one. Though I'm sure
    I read elsewhere that they were discontinuing the 135 mm version...

    [advertising]I still got a few[/advertising]
    --
    ---
    Marten Gerritsen

    INFOapestaartjeM-GINEERINGpuntNL
    www.m-gineering.nl

  17. On Tue, 27 Mar 2007 08:33:23 +0100

    Jim Higson said:

    Erm... am I the only one here who knows a few rude words in Italian?

    Having lived & worked several years in Italy ...

    One fun thing about living abroad is constructive confusion with the
    language. A little slipup with the nuances is bound to happen from
    time to time.

    Victor Borge (the great dane) did it beautifully with English:-)

    --
    not me guv

  18. Nick Kew said:

    Looking to buy a new bike.

    Quoted message said:

    From past experience, a tourer offers the best compromise
    between [snipped] needs. Discussing this in the LBS, they
    had a couple of contrasting candidates in stock, which I
    took out for a test spin: one classic tourer[1], and a
    sportier little number classified as "cyclocross"[2].

    I first tried the cyclocross. An aluminium frame with
    carbon forks, and rather short wheelbase. Impressively
    light to the touch, it was indeed a lively ride. I found
    its 34/25 bottom gear hard work on a stretch of uphill that
    is by no means the hardest in the area, and it became a
    bit of a boneshaker at speed - on a properly made road
    not noted for roughness! Comfortable on the drops or
    the hoods, but the bars seemed to dig into my hands when
    in the upright position.

    Quoted message said:

    The comparison with the tourer was chalk and cheese. It was
    a Reynolds 725 frame and a longer wheelbase than the other.
    It was also significantly heavier than the other, though that
    was in significant part due to the fact that it has all the
    accessories as standard.

    Quoted message said:

    The positions were different too: down
    on the drops was less comfy than the other, but the upright
    position was better. One difficulty was the brakes, as I
    had to make a conscious effort to stretch the hands out
    far enough to grab the levers.

    Quoted message said:

    That leaves me a harder choice than before. A bike to challenge
    me and force me to get fit (or leave it to languish unloved),
    or one to comfort me in flabby decline? Or look further afield
    for other options.

    Hmmm ....

    [1] http://www.ridgeback.co.uk/index.php?seriesID=41&show_bike=TRUE
    [2] http://www.genesisbikes.co.uk/index.php?bikeID=34&show_bike=TRUE

    I think you really want the tourer.

    I think you need to fine tune the position of the bars and brake
    levers and get them adjusted for your reach. I was thinking that
    interupter "cyclocross" levers so you can brake from the tops might be
    a worthwhile addition but looking at the detailed specs of the tourer
    I see it has them already.
    --
    Phil Cook looking north over the park to the "Westminster Gasworks"

  19. Dave Larrington wrote on 27/03/2007 10:27 +0100:

    Quoted message said:


    They /can/ be set up with disraeli gears coz I've seen one.

    That would be a Strange Brew though. ;-)

    --
    Tony

    "The most savage controversies are those about matters as to which there
    is no good evidence either way."
    - Bertrand Russell

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