Mountain Biking Injury Report

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Mike Vandeman <[email hidden]> typed:

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Mountain bikers often claim that they mountain bike because riding on
the road is so dangerous. This study found that mountain biking is
TWICE as dangerous as road riding. So much for THAT excuse.

So...

Bones heal.
Skin grows back.
Chicks dig scars.

So far I've shattered my elbow and separated my collarbone. Last friday I
crashed, split my chin open which required 17 stitches to close. Today I
went riding at the same park I crashed in. I have non-riding friends who've
broken their forearm on the edge of the tub slipping in the shower, another
who broke their elbow on the edge of a dumpster after losing balance
throwing a bag of trash from their pickup truck, and yet another who split
their chin open on the bathroom sink slipping on the floor.

I fail to see your point. Life isn't safe. Might as well ride.

I'd say bite me, but my friend was nearly hospitalized from an infection
received from cutting his hand on his son's tooth while roughhousing with
him.

Mike

Mike Vandeman <[email hidden]> wrote in
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http://site37721.dellhost.com/free_pdf_articles/200B%20Bicycling%20Inju
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I'm not sure what your point is...do you really think mountain bikers think
their sport is completely safe? I don't know any one who does. As for
saftey though, would you rather break your collarbone or get killed by a
car?

Take a look at the list in that study of cyclists who have died during
races or training...I only see one mountain biker in a list of 32
fatalities. In addition, Appendix C lists bike related deaths in the
region...none of them appear to be mountain bike related.

i'd rather take the risk of wiping out than get hit by a 2000 lb car.
"Mike Vandeman" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Mountain bikers often claim that they mountain bike because riding on the

road

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is so dangerous. This study found that mountain biking is TWICE as

dangerous as

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road riding. So much for THAT excuse.

http://site37721.dellhost.com/free_pdf_articles/200B%20Bicycling%20Injury%20Report%20Oct%20ABC.pdf

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"Mike Vandeman" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Mountain bikers often claim that they mountain bike because riding on the

road

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is so dangerous. This study found that mountain biking is TWICE as

dangerous as

Quoted message said:

road riding. So much for THAT excuse.

http://site37721.dellhost.com/free_pdf_articles/200B%20Bicycling%20Injury%20Report%20Oct%20ABC.pdf

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For the past 20 yr's, when possible, I have been on the bike 6 days a
week, 3 days road and 3 days off road. My worst injury on the mt'n bike was
a fractured rib. That is nothing compared to the injuries from the road
riding.

Frank

Frank Peckham said:

For the past 20 yr's, when possible, I have been on the bike 6 days a
week, 3 days road and 3 days off road. My worst injury on the mt'n bike was
a fractured rib. That is nothing compared to the injuries from the road
riding.

That's a lot worse than anything I've gotten in the last 40 years of road
riding at about 3 - 6 thousand miles/year.

"Michael Dart" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

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In news:[email hidden],
Mike Vandeman <[email hidden]> typed:

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Mountain bikers often claim that they mountain bike because riding on
the road is so dangerous. This study found that mountain biking is
TWICE as dangerous as road riding. So much for THAT excuse.

So...

Bones heal.
Skin grows back.
Chicks dig scars.

So far I've shattered my elbow and separated my collarbone. Last friday I
crashed, split my chin open which required 17 stitches to close. Today I
went riding at the same park I crashed in. I have non-riding friends who've
broken their forearm on the edge of the tub slipping in the shower, another
who broke their elbow on the edge of a dumpster after losing balance
throwing a bag of trash from their pickup truck, and yet another who split
their chin open on the bathroom sink slipping on the floor.

I fail to see your point. Life isn't safe. Might as well ride.

I'd say bite me, but my friend was nearly hospitalized from an infection
received from cutting his hand on his son's tooth while roughhousing with
him.

I've heard Mikey only bites kids.

"Michael Dart" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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In news:[email hidden],
Mike Vandeman <[email hidden]> typed:

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.I fail to see your point.

The point is that mountain bikers LIE. CONSTANTLY! Thanks for helping
me prove my case against mountain biking. If mountain bikers are that
dangerous to THEMSELVES, then they are just as dangerous to other
people and wildlife, and mountain biking deserves to be banned. You
have the right to destroy yourself, but not anyone else.

Oh what the hell, BITE ME!

ROFLMAO
hahahahhaha
Finally someone who sees things my way. Why does anyone bother to expect a
half decent debate/conversation with this tool. It's what keeps him going.
Just babble [censored] and poke sticks at him. Eventually he'll get tired of it.
I mean really, he's just a [censored] nut!
The only thing that is entirely clear is that he accomplishes nothing. ( ah
ah ah... Mikey - don't call me a liar without misquoting some factual
evidence of ONE tangible result you may have instigated. Use lots of
toungue. I like that on my anus.)

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Mike

On Sat, 3 Apr 2004 12:15:41 -0500, "Michael Dart"
<[email hidden]> wrote:

..In news:[email hidden],
..Mike Vandeman <[email hidden]> typed:
..> Mountain bikers often claim that they mountain bike because riding on
..> the road is so dangerous. This study found that mountain biking is
..> TWICE as dangerous as road riding. So much for THAT excuse.
..>
..
..So...
..
..Bones heal.
..Skin grows back.
..Chicks dig scars.
..
..So far I've shattered my elbow and separated my collarbone. Last friday I
..crashed, split my chin open which required 17 stitches to close. Today I
..went riding at the same park I crashed in. I have non-riding friends who've
..broken their forearm on the edge of the tub slipping in the shower, another
..who broke their elbow on the edge of a dumpster after losing balance
..throwing a bag of trash from their pickup truck, and yet another who split
..their chin open on the bathroom sink slipping on the floor.

Incompetence is nothing to be proud of!

..I fail to see your point.

The point is that mountain bikers LIE. CONSTANTLY! Thanks for helping me prove
my case against mountain biking. If mountain bikers are that dangerous to
THEMSELVES, then they are just as dangerous to other people and wildlife, and
mountain biking deserves to be banned. You have the right to destroy yourself,
but not anyone else.

.. Life isn't safe. Might as well ride.
..
..I'd say bite me, but my friend was nearly hospitalized from an infection
..received from cutting his hand on his son's tooth while roughhousing with
..him.
..
..Mike
..

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humans ("pure habitat"😉. Want to help? (I spent the previous 8
years fighting auto dependence and road construction.)

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On 3 Apr 2004 19:10:13 GMT, BB <[email hidden]> wrote:

..On Sat, 03 Apr 2004 15:36:43 GMT, Mike Vandeman wrote:
..> Mountain bikers often claim that they mountain bike because riding on the road
..> is so dangerous. This study found that mountain biking is TWICE as dangerous as
..> road riding. So much for THAT excuse.
..>
..> http://site37721.dellhost.com/free_pdf_articles/200B%20Bicycling%20Injury%20Report%20Oct%20ABC.pdf
..
..It was a survey of roadies, so its "junk science". :-)
..
..Lemme see, 89% of the accidents are road, 11% are MTB - so 11/89 > 2?

I guess you didn't read it. A greater percentage of mountain bikers have
accidents than road bicyclists.
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humans ("pure habitat"😉. Want to help? (I spent the previous 8
years fighting auto dependence and road construction.)

http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande

On Sat, 03 Apr 2004 20:08:21 GMT, Brett Jaffee <[email hidden]>
wrote:

..Mike Vandeman <[email hidden]> wrote in
..news:[email hidden]:
..
..> http://site37721.dellhost.com/free_pdf_articles/200B%20Bicycling%20Inju
..> ry%20Report%20Oct%20ABC.pdf
..
..I'm not sure what your point is...do you really think mountain bikers think
..their sport is completely safe? I don't know any one who does. As for
..saftey though, would you rather break your collarbone or get killed by a
..car?
..
..Take a look at the list in that study of cyclists who have died during
..races or training...I only see one mountain biker in a list of 32
..fatalities. In addition, Appendix C lists bike related deaths in the
..region...none of them appear to be mountain bike related.

I have heard of several mountain biker deaths. So have you. Don't try to
pretend. Also, they don't just endanger THEMSELVES, of course. They also
endanger all the wildlife and people around them.
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I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to
humans ("pure habitat"😉. Want to help? (I spent the previous 8
years fighting auto dependence and road construction.)

http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande

On Sat, 03 Apr 2004 23:23:45 GMT, "Brian" <[email hidden]> wrote:

..i'd rather take the risk of wiping out than get hit by a 2000 lb car.

Many mountain bikers have killed themselves. You have your head in the sand!

.."Mike Vandeman" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
..news:[email hidden]...
..> Mountain bikers often claim that they mountain bike because riding on the
..road
..> is so dangerous. This study found that mountain biking is TWICE as
..dangerous as
..> road riding. So much for THAT excuse.
..>
..>
..http://site37721.dellhost.com/free_pdf_articles/200B%20Bicycling%20Injury%20Report%20Oct%20ABC.pdf
..> ===
..> I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to
..> humans ("pure habitat"😉. Want to help? (I spent the previous 8
..> years fighting auto dependence and road construction.)
..>
..> http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande
..

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I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to
humans ("pure habitat"😉. Want to help? (I spent the previous 8
years fighting auto dependence and road construction.)

http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande

On Sun, 04 Apr 2004 02:40:19 GMT, "Frank Peckham" <[email hidden]> wrote:

..
.."Mike Vandeman" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
..news:[email hidden]...
..> Mountain bikers often claim that they mountain bike because riding on the
..road
..> is so dangerous. This study found that mountain biking is TWICE as
..dangerous as
..> road riding. So much for THAT excuse.
..>
..>
..http://site37721.dellhost.com/free_pdf_articles/200B%20Bicycling%20Injury%20Report%20Oct%20ABC.pdf
..> ===
..> I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to
..> humans ("pure habitat"😉. Want to help? (I spent the previous 8
..> years fighting auto dependence and road construction.)
..>
..> http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande
..
.. For the past 20 yr's, when possible, I have been on the bike 6 days a
..week, 3 days road and 3 days off road. My worst injury on the mt'n bike was
..a fractured rib. That is nothing compared to the injuries from the road
..riding.

You are comparing apples and oranges. What injuries have YOU had on the road?
Besides, you are just one case. One case doesn't prove anything about others.

..Frank

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humans ("pure habitat"😉. Want to help? (I spent the previous 8
years fighting auto dependence and road construction.)

http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande

On Sun, 04 Apr 2004 02:48:46 GMT, Peter <[email hidden]> wrote:

..Frank Peckham wrote:
..> For the past 20 yr's, when possible, I have been on the bike 6 days a
..> week, 3 days road and 3 days off road. My worst injury on the mt'n bike was
..> a fractured rib. That is nothing compared to the injuries from the road
..> riding.
..
..That's a lot worse than anything I've gotten in the last 40 years of road
..riding at about 3 - 6 thousand miles/year.

Me too, over 55 years.
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In news:[email hidden],
Mike Vandeman <[email hidden]> typed:

Quoted message said:

On Sat, 3 Apr 2004 12:15:41 -0500, "Michael Dart"
<[email hidden]> wrote:

.In news:[email hidden],
.Mike Vandeman <[email hidden]> typed:
.I fail to see your point.

The point is that mountain bikers LIE. CONSTANTLY! Thanks for helping
me prove my case against mountain biking. If mountain bikers are that
dangerous to THEMSELVES, then they are just as dangerous to other
people and wildlife, and mountain biking deserves to be banned. You
have the right to destroy yourself, but not anyone else.

In eight years of mountain biking I've never injured another person or
animal.

Mike - pfffftt!!!

In news:[email hidden],
Mike Vandeman <[email hidden]> typed:

Quoted message said:

.I fail to see your point.

The point is that mountain bikers LIE. CONSTANTLY! Thanks for helping
me prove my case against mountain biking. If mountain bikers are that
dangerous to THEMSELVES, then they are just as dangerous to other
people and wildlife, and mountain biking deserves to be banned. You
have the right to destroy yourself, but not anyone else.

Oh what the hell, BITE ME!

Mike

Mike Vandeman <[email hidden]> wrote in
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I have heard of several mountain biker deaths. So have you. Don't try
to pretend. Also, they don't just endanger THEMSELVES, of course. They
also endanger all the wildlife and people around them.

No one said no one has ever died from mountain biking. Same as with road
biking, skiing, football, hockey, etc. But the point is, this is
information from a study that YOU posted!

Mike Vandeman <[email hidden]> wrote in
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On Sat, 03 Apr 2004 23:23:45 GMT, "Brian" <[email hidden]>
wrote:

.i'd rather take the risk of wiping out than get hit by a 2000 lb car.

Many mountain bikers have killed themselves. You have your head in the
sand!

Please show me where did I say they hadn't? Also, please define "many" and
compare it to the number of people killed in road bike incidents. That was
the whole point of your post was it not...to compare the danger of road
biking vs mountain?

"Mike Vandeman" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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On Sun, 04 Apr 2004 02:40:19 GMT, "Frank Peckham" <[email hidden]>

Quoted message said:

.
."Mike Vandeman" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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.> Mountain bikers often claim that they mountain bike because riding on

the

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.road
.> is so dangerous. This study found that mountain biking is TWICE as
.dangerous as
.> road riding. So much for THAT excuse.
.>
.>

..http://site37721.dellhost.com/free_pdf_articles/200B%20Bicycling%20Injury%2
0Report%20Oct%20ABC.pdf

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.> ===
.> I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to
.> humans ("pure habitat"😉. Want to help? (I spent the previous 8
.> years fighting auto dependence and road construction.)
.>
.> http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande
.
. For the past 20 yr's, when possible, I have been on the bike 6 days a
.week, 3 days road and 3 days off road. My worst injury on the mt'n bike

was

Quoted message said:

.a fractured rib. That is nothing compared to the injuries from the road
.riding.

You are comparing apples and oranges. What injuries have YOU had on the

road?

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Besides, you are just one case. One case doesn't prove anything about

others.

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.Frank

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humans ("pure habitat"😉. Want to help? (I spent the previous 8
years fighting auto dependence and road construction.)

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.> Mountain bikers often claim that they mountain bike because riding on

the road is so dangerous.

Hikers often claim they hike in the countryside because walking on
city streets is so dangerous although I have no proof of this
preposterous claim.

cheers

g