Mountain Bikers Pay NO Attention to Their Surroundings!

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Mike Vandeman wrote:
> On Fri, 02 Jun 2006 16:53:52 -0700, cc <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>
>>Mike Vandeman wrote:
>>
>>>On Fri, 02 Jun 2006 14:50:17 -0700, cc <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>Mike Vandeman wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>On Fri, 2 Jun 2006 08:24:51 +0100, "geze"
>>>>><[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>x-no-archive: yes
>>>>>>
>>>>>>speeding downhill, i'd rather concentrate on the path ahead, than the
>>>>>>scenery..you get to see that on the way up!
>>>>>
>>>>>Only if you hike. A biker has to pay attention to the trail, or he
>>>>>will crash. The laws of physics & psychology demand it. You are
>>>>>fooling no one.
>>>>
>>>>Mike, you are totally making this up. Not to mention you have no way to
>>>>back it up. Go back to your trail damage arguments. At least then you
>>>>can argue based on ambiguity.
>>>>
>>>>You can't combat the collective testimonials
>>>
>>>You mean LIES. Mountain bikers realize that if they ever started
>>>telling the truth, no one would allow them to continue mountain
>>>biking.
>>
>>Mike, your statement "a biker has to pay attention to the trail, or he
>>will crash" being mutually exclusive with enjoying nature is an opinion,
>>based on ZERO experience !
>
>
> BS. I HAVE experienced mountain biking. See my web site (something
> about racing in Briones Regional Park).

Your anecdotal evicence still doesn't mean anything. Those who *know how
to ride a bike* won't have that problem.

>
> This is my point !
>
>>You therefore cannot call a firsthand testimonial a lie from your
>>perspective. Period.
>>
>>It is a miracle that you graduated anything!
>>
>>
>>
>>>I have probably been biking longer than you have been alive. But more
>>>important, I tell the truth -- somehting you should try.
>>>
>>> of an entire group with
>>>
>>>>first-hand experience with your projections based on your bias. Come on,
>>>>seriously . .
>>>
>>>===
>>>I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to
>>>humans ("pure habitat"). Want to help? (I spent the previous 8
>>>years fighting auto dependence and road construction.)
>>>
>>>http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande
>
> ===
> I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to
> humans ("pure habitat"). Want to help? (I spent the previous 8
> years fighting auto dependence and road construction.)
>
> http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande

 

[David Waters]

Mike Vandeman wrote:
> essay snipped
> http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande

F**k me sideways Mike, you actually said something without calling them
a liar or engaging in character assasination. Although what you have
written is in my opinion a load of bo**ocks, for you this constitutes
progress in that you have shown that you can communicate like a
reasonable human being. Lets see more of the same when replying to
posters on these newsgroups.

But Mike, come on, you know that it is VERY bad manners to be be cross
posting to all these different newsgroups. For all you peeps that have
not killfiled Mikey, and are therefore reading this, I apologise for
crossposting to you and will endeavour not to in the future.

I think we should have a round of dignified applause for Mike for not
being rude to the good doctor. Can just imagine him at his first TA
meeting (Troll's Anonymous) "My name is mike Vandeman and I am a troll"

 

[Edward Dolan]

"David Waters" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Mike Vandeman wrote:
>> essay snipped
>> http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande
>
> F**k me sideways Mike, you actually said something without calling them a
> liar or engaging in character assasination. Although what you have written
> is in my opinion a load of bo**ocks, for you this constitutes progress in
> that you have shown that you can communicate like a reasonable human
> being. Lets see more of the same when replying to posters on these
> newsgroups.

I have noted that Vandeman communicates just fine when he is addressing
matters of substance with a serious person, but why should he do likewise
when he is confronted with nothing but a bunch of asshole mountain bikers on
these freaking newsgroups who never, I repeat never, take issue with him on
anything of substance. Vandeman's forbearance in view of nothing but
continued provocation from the idiots, morons and imbeciles of Usenet is one
for Ripley's Believe It or Not!

> But Mike, come on, you know that it is VERY bad manners to be be cross
> posting to all these different newsgroups. For all you peeps that have not
> killfiled Mikey, and are therefore reading this, I apologise for
> crossposting to you and will endeavour not to in the future.

I am responsible for much of the cross posting as I am bent on saving ARBR.
I will cease with the cross posting when ARBR has recovered sufficiently
from the depredations of a criminal vandal troll from a couple of winters
ago.

> I think we should have a round of dignified applause for Mike for not
> being rude to the good doctor. Can just imagine him at his first TA
> meeting (Troll's Anonymous) "My name is mike Vandeman and I am a troll"

Vandeman is not a troll anymore than I am. You should meet a real troll to
learn the difference. Go review the ARBR archives from two winters ago
(Feb.) to know what a troll is and what they are capable of.

Regards,

Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota

 

[David Waters]

Edward Dolan wrote:

>
>
> I have noted that Vandeman communicates just fine when he is addressing
> matters of substance with a serious person, but why should he do likewise
> when he is confronted with nothing but a bunch of asshole mountain bikers on
> these freaking newsgroups who never, I repeat never, take issue with him on
> anything of substance. Vandeman's forbearance in view of nothing but
> continued provocation from the idiots, morons and imbeciles of Usenet is one
> for Ripley's Believe It or Not!


Why should he do likewise? Because unless he does otherwise nobody will
listen to a word he has to say. And if nobody listens other than to
shout abuse/disagree with him, what is the point in him continually
saying the same thing over and over again. He is like a broken record.




> I am responsible for much of the cross posting as I am bent on saving ARBR.
> I will cease with the cross posting when ARBR has recovered sufficiently
> from the depredations of a criminal vandal troll from a couple of winters
> ago.


I appreciate that ARBR may have suffered as a result of trolling, but I
don't see the relevance of this thread to their messageboard.
Essentially it is OT. It is about Vandeman and his views on surveys, not
on cycling IMHO.



> Vandeman is not a troll anymore than I am. You should meet a real troll to
> learn the difference. Go review the ARBR archives from two winters ago
> (Feb.) to know what a troll is and what they are capable of.

Maybe there are others worse than yourself and Vandeman. (Vandeman is
worse than you because at least you are honest that you use UseNet as a
means of having a laugh at other people, much the same way as I like to
think I do, other than when I am posting on a cycling specific topic
(e.g helping others with problems, fixing up rides etc, giving advice on
different bikes) rather than this constant debate on the effects of
cycling on the environment, which basically (and I hope I do not
misrepresent you by saying this), we largely use to blow off steam.

 

[Mike Vandeman]

On Sat, 03 Jun 2006 13:29:15 -0700, cc <[email protected]> wrote:

>Mike Vandeman wrote:
>> On Fri, 02 Jun 2006 16:53:52 -0700, cc <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>Mike Vandeman wrote:
>>>
>>>>On Fri, 02 Jun 2006 14:50:17 -0700, cc <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>Mike Vandeman wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>On Fri, 2 Jun 2006 08:24:51 +0100, "geze"
>>>>>><[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>x-no-archive: yes
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>speeding downhill, i'd rather concentrate on the path ahead, than the
>>>>>>>scenery..you get to see that on the way up!
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Only if you hike. A biker has to pay attention to the trail, or he
>>>>>>will crash. The laws of physics & psychology demand it. You are
>>>>>>fooling no one.
>>>>>
>>>>>Mike, you are totally making this up. Not to mention you have no way to
>>>>>back it up. Go back to your trail damage arguments. At least then you
>>>>>can argue based on ambiguity.
>>>>>
>>>>>You can't combat the collective testimonials
>>>>
>>>>You mean LIES. Mountain bikers realize that if they ever started
>>>>telling the truth, no one would allow them to continue mountain
>>>>biking.
>>>
>>>Mike, your statement "a biker has to pay attention to the trail, or he
>>>will crash" being mutually exclusive with enjoying nature is an opinion,
>>>based on ZERO experience !
>>
>>
>> BS. I HAVE experienced mountain biking. See my web site (something
>> about racing in Briones Regional Park).
>
>Your anecdotal evicence still doesn't mean anything. Those who *know how
>to ride a bike* won't have that problem.

BS. They still have to watch where they are going, which means NOT
looking at the scenery.

>> This is my point !
>>
>>>You therefore cannot call a firsthand testimonial a lie from your
>>>perspective. Period.
>>>
>>>It is a miracle that you graduated anything!
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>I have probably been biking longer than you have been alive. But more
>>>>important, I tell the truth -- somehting you should try.
>>>>
>>>> of an entire group with
>>>>
>>>>>first-hand experience with your projections based on your bias. Come on,
>>>>>seriously . .
>>>>
>>>>===
>>>>I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to
>>>>humans ("pure habitat"). Want to help? (I spent the previous 8
>>>>years fighting auto dependence and road construction.)
>>>>
>>>>http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande
>>
>> ===
>> I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to
>> humans ("pure habitat"). Want to help? (I spent the previous 8
>> years fighting auto dependence and road construction.)
>>
>> http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande
===
I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to
humans ("pure habitat"). Want to help? (I spent the previous 8
years fighting auto dependence and road construction.)

http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande