Mountain Bikers Pay NO Attention to Their Surroundings!



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Mike Vandeman

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Here you have it unambiguously in black and white! They don't pay
attention while going uphill ... nor when going downhill. But that's
EVERYWHERE!

"on the descent, scenery becomes an unnoticed blur"

"When I'm climbing a singletrack that relentlessly
keeps going up, I totally zone out and my only focus
becomes turning the cranks and making the next pitch
and switchback coming ahead"

So much for "enjoying nature"!

Mike


From: J Cass <[email protected]>
Date: Wed, 24 May 2006 11:39:18 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Re: Question of the Day

Many answers come to mind. However, two aspects of riding motivations
for me are maybe a bit more clear and obvious.

I enjoy climbing and looking carefully at the plants, rocks,
animals, streams, mountain peaks, clouds, etc. Pretty much soaking in
the countryside around me and letting thoughts drift around. A rare
opportunity for random, wide-ranging thinking. Or good conversation
with fellow riders if the slope isn't too steep for talking.

Then on the descent, scenery becomes an unnoticed blur. This is the
time for an adreneline rush that's incomparable to almost anything
else in life. A hyper focus on the trail before me also pushes aside
any other worries, stresses, etc. By the bottom of the descent it
seems like I always have an ear to ear grin that takes a long time to
dissipate.

And of course sharing the trails with the community of fellow bikers
is always a supreme joy.

JC

From: Mire Levy <[email protected]>
Date: Thu, 25 May 2006 00:07:56 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Re: Question of the day...

When I started riding mountain bike 5 seasons ago, I
believe it was for the "rush" and "whoop" factors the
sport provided. But as my riding style changed over
the last 2 years or so, my primary reasons for riding
settled down...

1. To achieve "Zen" state of mind. Yes, seriously.
When I'm climbing a singletrack that relentlessly
keeps going up, I totally zone out and my only focus
becomes turning the cranks and making the next pitch
and switchback coming ahead. That moment of blank
state of mind, to me, is totally priceless.

2. To get to the top. Even if I'm totaly spent by the
time I get to the foot of a peak, if there is a trail
that leads up to the very top, I have to get up there.
Another priceless moment when you reach the top and
surrounded by mega vista...

My personal favorites are Basalt Ridge and Ranger Ck
with their endlessly switchbacking trails to
experience reason No. 1 and Miller and Sunrise peaks
for reason No. 2.

Mire
===
I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to
humans ("pure habitat"). Want to help? (I spent the previous 8
years fighting auto dependence and road construction.)

http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande
 
Mike Vandeman wrote:
> Here you have it unambiguously in black and white! They don't pay
> attention while going uphill ... nor when going downhill. But that's
> EVERYWHERE!
>
> "on the descent, scenery becomes an unnoticed blur"
>
> "When I'm climbing a singletrack that relentlessly
> keeps going up, I totally zone out and my only focus
> becomes turning the cranks and making the next pitch
> and switchback coming ahead"
>
> So much for "enjoying nature"!
>


Oh, ********. Why we do it is none of your business. Do I huff and puff
about you and Ed finding "truth" in nature together?
 
cc wrote:
> Mike Vandeman wrote:
>
>> Here you have it unambiguously in black and white! They don't pay
>> attention while going uphill ... nor when going downhill. But that's
>> EVERYWHERE!
>>
>> "on the descent, scenery becomes an unnoticed blur"
>>
>> "When I'm climbing a singletrack that relentlessly
>> keeps going up, I totally zone out and my only focus
>> becomes turning the cranks and making the next pitch
>> and switchback coming ahead"
>>
>> So much for "enjoying nature"!
>>

>
> Oh, ********. Why we do it is none of your business. Do I huff and puff
> about you and Ed finding "truth" in nature together?



BrokeBack Hikers?
 
Apparently, and as always, you only pick out the bits that you can use to
support your OPINION. You completely ignored the opening remarks of the very
piece you posted!

"I enjoy climbing and looking carefully at the plants, rocks, animals,
streams, mountain peaks, clouds, etc. Pretty much soaking in the countryside
around me and letting thoughts drift around. A rare opportunity for random,
wide-ranging thinking."

So much for your OPINIONS.
 
Jason wrote:
> cc wrote:
>
>> Mike Vandeman wrote:
>>
>>> Here you have it unambiguously in black and white! They don't pay
>>> attention while going uphill ... nor when going downhill. But that's
>>> EVERYWHERE!
>>>
>>> "on the descent, scenery becomes an unnoticed blur"
>>>
>>> "When I'm climbing a singletrack that relentlessly
>>> keeps going up, I totally zone out and my only focus
>>> becomes turning the cranks and making the next pitch
>>> and switchback coming ahead"
>>>
>>> So much for "enjoying nature"!
>>>

>>
>> Oh, ********. Why we do it is none of your business. Do I huff and
>> puff about you and Ed finding "truth" in nature together?

>
>
>
> BrokeBack Hikers?


It took all of my strength not to ref that with the first post.
 
On Thu, 25 May 2006 13:37:21 -0400, "S Curtiss" <[email protected]>
wrote:

>Apparently, and as always, you only pick out the bits that you can use to
>support your OPINION. You completely ignored the opening remarks of the very
>piece you posted!
>
>"I enjoy climbing and looking carefully at the plants, rocks, animals,
>streams, mountain peaks, clouds, etc. Pretty much soaking in the countryside
>around me and letting thoughts drift around. A rare opportunity for random,
>wide-ranging thinking."


Not while mountain biking.

>So much for your OPINIONS.
>
>
>

===
I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to
humans ("pure habitat"). Want to help? (I spent the previous 8
years fighting auto dependence and road construction.)

http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande
 
"Mike Vandeman" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On Thu, 25 May 2006 13:37:21 -0400, "S Curtiss" <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>
>>Apparently, and as always, you only pick out the bits that you can use to
>>support your OPINION. You completely ignored the opening remarks of the
>>very
>>piece you posted!
>>
>>"I enjoy climbing and looking carefully at the plants, rocks, animals,
>>streams, mountain peaks, clouds, etc. Pretty much soaking in the
>>countryside
>>around me and letting thoughts drift around. A rare opportunity for
>>random,
>>wide-ranging thinking."

>
> Not while mountain biking.
>

His statement is in regards to mountain biking. Your OPINION of what others
are capable of has NO bearing. Your supposition of others' capabilities
based on your lack of ability, desire and bias against their activities is
MEANINGLESS. Duh!
 
"cc" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:[email protected]...
> Mike Vandeman wrote:
>> Here you have it unambiguously in black and white! They don't pay
>> attention while going uphill ... nor when going downhill. But that's
>> EVERYWHERE!
>>
>> "on the descent, scenery becomes an unnoticed blur"
>>
>> "When I'm climbing a singletrack that relentlessly
>> keeps going up, I totally zone out and my only focus
>> becomes turning the cranks and making the next pitch
>> and switchback coming ahead"
>>
>> So much for "enjoying nature"!
>>

>
> Oh, ********. Why we do it is none of your business. Do I huff and puff
> about you and Ed finding "truth" in nature together?


Just do your **** on your own g.d. trails, not on my sacred trails. My
sacred trails are for walkers only. Can't you walk?

Regards,

Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota
 
Edward Dolan wrote:
> Just do your **** on your own g.d. trails, not on my sacred trails. My
> sacred trails are for walkers only. Can't you walk?
>
> Regards,
>
> Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
> aka
> Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota
>
>


Cant you get over your self little boy. ed the great, saint edward the
great hah what a joke. I bet your mommy told you that you were special
as well. Rode the short bus to school didn't you.
 
Edward Dolan wrote:
> Just do your **** on your own g.d. trails, not on my sacred trails. My
> sacred trails are for walkers only. Can't you walk?
>
> Regards,
>
> Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
> aka
> Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota
>
>


Cant you get over your self little boy. ed the great, saint edward the
great hah what a joke. I bet your mommy told you that you were special
as well. Rode the short bus to school didn't you.
 
Edward Dolan wrote:
> Just do your **** on your own g.d. trails, not on my sacred trails. My
> sacred trails are for walkers only. Can't you walk?
>
> Regards,
>
> Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
> aka
> Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota
>
>


Cant you get over your self little boy. ed the great, saint edward the
great hah what a joke. I bet your mommy told you that you were special
as well. Rode the short bus to school didn't you.
 
Wait.
My apologies.
I was really loaded when I wrote this. I realized, upon later
reflection, that what I wrote makes no sense. Man, am I embarassed.
Now that the synanon cult has been disbanded can anyone recommend
a way to stay sober?

Mike Vandeman wrote:
> Here you have it unambiguously in black and white! They don't pay
> attention while going uphill ... nor when going downhill. But that's
> EVERYWHERE!
>
> "on the descent, scenery becomes an unnoticed blur"
>
> "When I'm climbing a singletrack that relentlessly
> keeps going up, I totally zone out and my only focus
> becomes turning the cranks and making the next pitch
> and switchback coming ahead"
>
> So much for "enjoying nature"!
>
> Mike
>
>
> From: J Cass <[email protected]>
> Date: Wed, 24 May 2006 11:39:18 -0700 (PDT)
> Subject: Re: Question of the Day
>
> Many answers come to mind. However, two aspects of riding motivations
> for me are maybe a bit more clear and obvious.
>
> I enjoy climbing and looking carefully at the plants, rocks,
> animals, streams, mountain peaks, clouds, etc. Pretty much soaking in
> the countryside around me and letting thoughts drift around. A rare
> opportunity for random, wide-ranging thinking. Or good conversation
> with fellow riders if the slope isn't too steep for talking.
>
> Then on the descent, scenery becomes an unnoticed blur. This is the
> time for an adreneline rush that's incomparable to almost anything
> else in life. A hyper focus on the trail before me also pushes aside
> any other worries, stresses, etc. By the bottom of the descent it
> seems like I always have an ear to ear grin that takes a long time to
> dissipate.
>
> And of course sharing the trails with the community of fellow bikers
> is always a supreme joy.
>
> JC
>
> From: Mire Levy <[email protected]>
> Date: Thu, 25 May 2006 00:07:56 -0700 (PDT)
> Subject: Re: Question of the day...
>
> When I started riding mountain bike 5 seasons ago, I
> believe it was for the "rush" and "whoop" factors the
> sport provided. But as my riding style changed over
> the last 2 years or so, my primary reasons for riding
> settled down...
>
> 1. To achieve "Zen" state of mind. Yes, seriously.
> When I'm climbing a singletrack that relentlessly
> keeps going up, I totally zone out and my only focus
> becomes turning the cranks and making the next pitch
> and switchback coming ahead. That moment of blank
> state of mind, to me, is totally priceless.
>
> 2. To get to the top. Even if I'm totaly spent by the
> time I get to the foot of a peak, if there is a trail
> that leads up to the very top, I have to get up there.
> Another priceless moment when you reach the top and
> surrounded by mega vista...
>
> My personal favorites are Basalt Ridge and Ranger Ck
> with their endlessly switchbacking trails to
> experience reason No. 1 and Miller and Sunrise peaks
> for reason No. 2.
>
> Mire
> ===
> I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to
> humans ("pure habitat"). Want to help? (I spent the previous 8
> years fighting auto dependence and road construction.)
>
> http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande
 
x-no-archive: yes

speeding downhill, i'd rather concentrate on the path ahead, than the
scenery..you get to see that on the way up!
 
On Fri, 2 Jun 2006 08:24:51 +0100, "geze"
<[email protected]> wrote:

>x-no-archive: yes
>
>speeding downhill, i'd rather concentrate on the path ahead, than the
>scenery..you get to see that on the way up!


Only if you hike. A biker has to pay attention to the trail, or he
will crash. The laws of physics & psychology demand it. You are
fooling no one.
===
I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to
humans ("pure habitat"). Want to help? (I spent the previous 8
years fighting auto dependence and road construction.)

http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande
 
Mike Vandeman wrote:
> On Fri, 2 Jun 2006 08:24:51 +0100, "geze"
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> x-no-archive: yes
>>
>> speeding downhill, i'd rather concentrate on the path ahead, than the
>> scenery..you get to see that on the way up!

>
> Only if you hike. A biker has to pay attention to the trail, or he
> will crash. The laws of physics & psychology demand it. You are
> fooling no one.


Mike, you are totally making this up. Not to mention you have no way to
back it up. Go back to your trail damage arguments. At least then you
can argue based on ambiguity.

You can't combat the collective testimonials of an entire group with
first-hand experience with your projections based on your bias. Come on,
seriously . .
 
On Fri, 02 Jun 2006 14:50:17 -0700, cc <[email protected]> wrote:

>Mike Vandeman wrote:
>> On Fri, 2 Jun 2006 08:24:51 +0100, "geze"
>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>> x-no-archive: yes
>>>
>>> speeding downhill, i'd rather concentrate on the path ahead, than the
>>> scenery..you get to see that on the way up!

>>
>> Only if you hike. A biker has to pay attention to the trail, or he
>> will crash. The laws of physics & psychology demand it. You are
>> fooling no one.

>
>Mike, you are totally making this up. Not to mention you have no way to
>back it up. Go back to your trail damage arguments. At least then you
>can argue based on ambiguity.
>
>You can't combat the collective testimonials


You mean LIES. Mountain bikers realize that if they ever started
telling the truth, no one would allow them to continue mountain
biking.

I have probably been biking longer than you have been alive. But more
important, I tell the truth -- somehting you should try.

of an entire group with
>first-hand experience with your projections based on your bias. Come on,
>seriously . .

===
I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to
humans ("pure habitat"). Want to help? (I spent the previous 8
years fighting auto dependence and road construction.)

http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande
 
Mike Vandeman wrote:
> On Fri, 02 Jun 2006 14:50:17 -0700, cc <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> Mike Vandeman wrote:
>>> On Fri, 2 Jun 2006 08:24:51 +0100, "geze"
>>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>
>>>> x-no-archive: yes
>>>>
>>>> speeding downhill, i'd rather concentrate on the path ahead, than the
>>>> scenery..you get to see that on the way up!
>>> Only if you hike. A biker has to pay attention to the trail, or he
>>> will crash. The laws of physics & psychology demand it. You are
>>> fooling no one.

>> Mike, you are totally making this up. Not to mention you have no way to
>> back it up. Go back to your trail damage arguments. At least then you
>> can argue based on ambiguity.
>>
>> You can't combat the collective testimonials

>
> You mean LIES. Mountain bikers realize that if they ever started
> telling the truth, no one would allow them to continue mountain
> biking.


Mike, your statement "a biker has to pay attention to the trail, or he
will crash" being mutually exclusive with enjoying nature is an opinion,
based on ZERO experience ! This is my point !

You therefore cannot call a firsthand testimonial a lie from your
perspective. Period.

It is a miracle that you graduated anything!


> I have probably been biking longer than you have been alive. But more
> important, I tell the truth -- somehting you should try.
>
> of an entire group with
>> first-hand experience with your projections based on your bias. Come on,
>> seriously . .

> ===
> I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to
> humans ("pure habitat"). Want to help? (I spent the previous 8
> years fighting auto dependence and road construction.)
>
> http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande
 
On Fri, 02 Jun 2006 16:53:52 -0700, cc <[email protected]> wrote:

>Mike Vandeman wrote:
>> On Fri, 02 Jun 2006 14:50:17 -0700, cc <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>> Mike Vandeman wrote:
>>>> On Fri, 2 Jun 2006 08:24:51 +0100, "geze"
>>>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> x-no-archive: yes
>>>>>
>>>>> speeding downhill, i'd rather concentrate on the path ahead, than the
>>>>> scenery..you get to see that on the way up!
>>>> Only if you hike. A biker has to pay attention to the trail, or he
>>>> will crash. The laws of physics & psychology demand it. You are
>>>> fooling no one.
>>> Mike, you are totally making this up. Not to mention you have no way to
>>> back it up. Go back to your trail damage arguments. At least then you
>>> can argue based on ambiguity.
>>>
>>> You can't combat the collective testimonials

>>
>> You mean LIES. Mountain bikers realize that if they ever started
>> telling the truth, no one would allow them to continue mountain
>> biking.

>
>Mike, your statement "a biker has to pay attention to the trail, or he
>will crash" being mutually exclusive with enjoying nature is an opinion,
>based on ZERO experience !


BS. I HAVE experienced mountain biking. See my web site (something
about racing in Briones Regional Park).

This is my point !
>
>You therefore cannot call a firsthand testimonial a lie from your
>perspective. Period.
>
>It is a miracle that you graduated anything!
>
>
>> I have probably been biking longer than you have been alive. But more
>> important, I tell the truth -- somehting you should try.
>>
>> of an entire group with
>>> first-hand experience with your projections based on your bias. Come on,
>>> seriously . .

>> ===
>> I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to
>> humans ("pure habitat"). Want to help? (I spent the previous 8
>> years fighting auto dependence and road construction.)
>>
>> http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande

===
I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to
humans ("pure habitat"). Want to help? (I spent the previous 8
years fighting auto dependence and road construction.)

http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande