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  1. Are 10 speeds overall faster and better for paved paths than
    a mountain bike? Why?

    I live in DC. I stay on paved trails with my Trek 800 Sport
    mountain bike. I notice the 10-speed (or what ever gearing
    they have) type bikes seem to always go flying around me and
    other people, usually other mountain bikers. I don't know if
    it is because these guys are more in shape or their bike. I
    keep a good steady pace but get passed by people on 10
    speeds. Even on up hills.

    My mountain bike weighs about 33.5 lbs. I paid close to $200
    for it brand new. What are some of the prices for a decent
    10, 18, etc. speed bike for under $400? What do they average
    in weight?

    Thanks, Brett

  2. Brett said:

    Are 10 speeds overall faster and better for paved paths
    than a mountain bike? Why?

    I live in DC. I stay on paved trails with my Trek 800
    Sport mountain bike. I notice the 10-speed (or what ever
    gearing they have) type bikes seem to always go flying
    around me and other people, usually other mountain bikers.
    I don't know if it is because these guys are more in shape
    or their bike. I keep a good steady pace but get passed by
    people on 10 speeds. Even on up hills.

    My mountain bike weighs about 33.5 lbs. I paid close to
    $200 for it brand new. What are some of the prices for a
    decent 10, 18, etc. speed bike for under $400? What do
    they average in weight?

    Thanks, Brett

    You probably see "road bikes" going past you. With slick
    tires and at 20 lbs, roadies have the advantage on pavement.

    --
    - Zilla Cary, NC (Remove XSPAM)

  3. "Brett" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    Are 10 speeds overall faster and better for paved paths
    than a mountain bike? Why?

    I live in DC. I stay on paved trails with my Trek 800
    Sport mountain bike. I notice the 10-speed (or what ever
    gearing they have) type bikes seem to always go flying
    around me and other people, usually other mountain bikers.
    I don't know if it is because these guys are more in shape
    or their bike. I keep a good steady pace but get passed by
    people on 10 speeds. Even on up hills.

    My mountain bike weighs about 33.5 lbs. I paid close to
    $200 for it brand new. What are some of the prices for a
    decent 10, 18, etc. speed bike for under $400? What do
    they average in weight?

    Thanks, Brett

    When I see the word " Ten Speed" I think of Schwinn Varsity,
    and the '70s. Do you mean road bike?

    TJ. www.gvii.net/hundtoft

  4. "TJ" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

    Quoted message said:

    "Brett" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    Are 10 speeds overall faster and better for paved paths
    than a mountain bike? Why?

    I live in DC. I stay on paved trails with my Trek 800
    Sport mountain bike. I notice the 10-speed (or what ever
    gearing they have) type bikes seem to always go flying
    around me and other people, usually other mountain
    bikers. I don't know if it is because these guys are
    more in shape or their bike. I keep a good steady pace
    but get passed by people on 10 speeds. Even on up hills.

    My mountain bike weighs about 33.5 lbs. I paid close to
    $200 for it brand new. What are some of the prices for a
    decent 10, 18, etc. speed bike for under $400? What do
    they average in weight?

    Thanks, Brett

    When I see the word " Ten Speed" I think of Schwinn
    Varsity, and the '70s. Do you mean road bike?

    TJ. www.gvii.net/hundtoft

    I wonder if the people passing him on ten speeds have the
    bars upturned "dui bike"style. My guess is that a Varsity is
    about 30-35 lbs.

    JD

  5. "JD" <[email hidden]> wrote in message

    Quoted message said:

    ten speeds have the bars upturned "dui bike"style.

    another 'mullet and bandana' ride

  6. JD said:

    "TJ" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<9Z6dnXXswpGtdizdRVn-
    [email hidden]>...

    Quoted message said:

    "Brett" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    Are 10 speeds overall faster and better for paved paths
    than a mountain bike? Why?

    I live in DC. I stay on paved trails with my Trek 800
    Sport mountain bike. I notice the 10-speed (or what ever
    gearing they have) type bikes seem to always go flying
    around me and other people, usually other mountain
    bikers. I don't know if it is because these guys are
    more in shape or their bike. I keep a good steady pace
    but get passed by people on 10 speeds. Even on up hills.

    My mountain bike weighs about 33.5 lbs. I paid close to
    $200 for it brand new. What are some of the prices for a
    decent 10, 18, etc. speed bike for under $400? What do
    they average in weight?

    Thanks, Brett

    When I see the word " Ten Speed" I think of Schwinn
    Varsity, and the '70s. Do you mean road bike?

    TJ. www.gvii.net/hundtoft

    I wonder if the people passing him on ten speeds have the
    bars upturned "dui bike"style. My guess is that a Varsity
    is about 30-35 lbs.

    JD

    LOL! He meant 10 speeds "total". I thought he just meant the
    rear cassette is a 10-speed.

    --
    - Zilla Cary, NC (Remove XSPAM)

  7. Another thing to consider is the lower gear ratio these
    bikes produce. From personal experience, at stand still, I
    can easily accelerate faster than these road bike, but lack
    the lower final drive ratio which allow these bikes to
    achieve higher top speeds.

    "Zilla" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:
    JD said:

    "TJ" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<9Z6dnXXswpGtdizdRVn-
    [email hidden]>...

    Quoted message said:

    "Brett" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:c003-
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    > Are 10 speeds overall faster and better for paved
    > paths than a mountain bike? Why?
    >
    > I live in DC. I stay on paved trails with my Trek 800
    > Sport mountain bike. I notice the 10-speed (or what
    > ever gearing they have) type bikes seem to always go
    > flying around me and other people, usually other
    > mountain bikers. I don't know if it is because these
    > guys are more in shape or their bike. I keep a good
    > steady pace but get passed by people on 10 speeds.
    > Even on up hills.
    >
    > My mountain bike weighs about 33.5 lbs. I paid close
    > to $200 for it brand new. What are some of the prices
    > for a decent 10, 18, etc. speed bike for under $400?
    > What do they average in weight?
    >
    > Thanks, Brett

    When I see the word " Ten Speed" I think of Schwinn
    Varsity, and the '70s. Do you mean road bike?

    TJ. www.gvii.net/hundtoft

    I wonder if the people passing him on ten speeds have
    the bars upturned "dui bike"style. My guess is that a
    Varsity is about 30-35 lbs.

    JD

    LOL! He meant 10 speeds "total". I thought he just meant
    the rear cassette is a 10-speed.

    --
    - Zilla Cary, NC (Remove XSPAM)

  8. Xx said:

    Another thing to consider is the lower gear ratio these
    bikes produce. From personal experience, at stand still, I
    can easily accelerate faster than these road bike, but
    lack the lower final drive ratio which allow these bikes
    to achieve higher top speeds.


    Right, makes all the difference. LOL

    Shawn

  9. "Shawn Curry" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    Xx said:

    Another thing to consider is the lower gear ratio these
    bikes produce.


    From

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    personal experience, at stand still, I can easily
    accelerate faster than these road bike, but lack the
    lower final drive ratio which allow these bikes to
    achieve higher top speeds.


    Right, makes all the difference. LOL

    Shawn


    I'm falling out of my chair. LMMFAO!

    Thanks, Shawn.

    TJ. www.gvii.net/hundtoft

  10. "Xx" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

    Quoted message said:

    Another thing to consider is the lower gear ratio these
    bikes produce. From personal experience, at stand still, I
    can easily accelerate faster than these road bike, but
    lack the lower final drive ratio which allow these bikes
    to achieve higher top speeds.

    Are you saying mountain bikes have a lower gear ratio than
    the road bikes?

    Brett

  11. .

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:


    Right, makes all the difference. LOL

    Shawn

    Actually what Xx says is true about the mtb being a faster
    accelerator.

    The Redland Classic is a multi-stage road race. The prologue
    of the classic use to be a 200 meter Street Sprint (drag
    race) between bikes. Brian Lopes set the fastest time on a
    Cannondale MTB with road tires. He got beat in the finals
    when he was forced to use a road bike. See attached article.

    cyclingnews.comredland
    s00p.shtml

  12. "jack" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:


    .

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:


    Right, makes all the difference. LOL

    Shawn

    Actually what Xx says is true about the mtb being a faster
    accelerator.

    The Redland Classic is a multi-stage road race. The
    prologue of the


    classic

    Quoted message said:

    use to be a 200 meter Street Sprint (drag race) between
    bikes. Brian


    Lopes

    Quoted message said:

    set the fastest time on a Cannondale MTB with road tires.
    He got beat in the finals when he was forced to use a road
    bike. See attached article.

    cyclingnews.comredlands0
    0p.shtml


    Xx was refering to a Schwinn Varsity "DUI" bike.

    TJ www.gvii.net/hundtoft

  13. (Brett) said:

    "Xx" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:<[email hidden]>...

    Quoted message said:

    Another thing to consider is the lower gear ratio these
    bikes produce. From personal experience, at stand still,
    I can easily accelerate faster than these road bike, but
    lack the lower final drive ratio which allow these bikes
    to achieve higher top speeds.

    Are you saying mountain bikes have a lower gear ratio than
    the road bikes?

    Brett

    They sure do!

    My Mt bike has a 22 /34/44 up fron as compared to my 53/39

    on my road bike and the wheel size is different a road bikes
    wheel is bigger.

  14. jack said:
    Quoted message said:

    Right, makes all the difference. LOL

    Shawn

    Actually what Xx says is true about the mtb being a faster
    accelerator.

    The Redland Classic is a multi-stage road race. The
    prologue of the classic use to be a 200 meter Street
    Sprint (drag race) between bikes. Brian Lopes set the
    fastest time on a Cannondale MTB with road tires. He got
    beat in the finals when he was forced to use a road bike.
    See attached article.

    cyclingnews.comredlands
    00p.shtml

    I dunno if I buy that - I don't think there's a lot of
    difference either way (assuming the same overall gear ratio
    and tire width), but I suspect that a roadie sprinter would
    be faster on a road bike than a MTB, if only because he/she
    could achieve a little better aerodynamics toward the "fast
    end" of the race. And let's face it - all the sprint records
    have been set on road bikes of one sort or another (at least
    as far as I know - anyone out there with other data?).

    I suspect it all comes down to what you're used to
    working best.

    Mark Hickey Habanero Cycles habcycles.comhabcycles.com Home of
    the $695 ti frame

  15. "Mark Hickey" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    jack said:
    Quoted message said:

    Right, makes all the difference. LOL

    Shawn

    Actually what Xx says is true about the mtb being a
    faster accelerator.

    The Redland Classic is a multi-stage road race. The
    prologue of the


    classic

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    use to be a 200 meter Street Sprint (drag race) between
    bikes. Brian


    Lopes

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    set the fastest time on a Cannondale MTB with road tires.
    He got beat in the finals when he was forced to use a
    road bike. See attached article.

    cyclingnews.comredlands00
    p.shtml

    I dunno if I buy that - I don't think there's a lot of
    difference either way (assuming the same overall gear
    ratio and tire width), but I suspect that a roadie
    sprinter would be faster on a road bike than a MTB, if
    only because he/she could achieve a little better
    aerodynamics toward the "fast end" of the race. And let's
    face it - all the sprint records have been set on road
    bikes of one sort or another (at least as far as I know -
    anyone out there with other data?).

    Quoted message said:


    Mark Hickey Habanero Cycles habcycles.comhabcycles.com Home
    of the $695 ti frame

    This is only a 200 meter race from a dead stop in a straight
    line. Winning times were 15-16 seconds. The mtb was equipped
    with road tires. I think this is like regular car drag
    racing. Who ever can put the power to the ground will the
    get the jump. (wide mountain bike handbar can provide a lot
    of leverage at the start) Aerodynamics will come into play
    if the race is long enough.

    Quoted message said:

    I suspect it all comes down to what you're used to
    working best.

    That is a good point since type of racing Brian Lopes is use
    to are sprints from a dead stop on a mountain bike.

  16. "jack" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:


    "Mark Hickey" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    jack said:

    > Right, makes all the difference. LOL
    >
    > Shawn

    Actually what Xx says is true about the mtb being a
    faster accelerator.

    The Redland Classic is a multi-stage road race. The
    prologue of the


    classic

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    use to be a 200 meter Street Sprint (drag race) between
    bikes. Brian


    Lopes

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    set the fastest time on a Cannondale MTB with road
    tires. He got beat


    in

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    the finals when he was forced to use a road bike. See
    attached


    article.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:


    cyclingnews.comredlands
    00p.shtml

    I dunno if I buy that - I don't think there's a lot of
    difference either way (assuming the same overall gear
    ratio and tire width), but I suspect that a roadie
    sprinter would be faster on a road bike than a MTB, if
    only because he/she could achieve a little better
    aerodynamics toward the "fast end" of the race. And
    let's face it - all the sprint records have been set on
    road bikes of one sort or another (at least as far as I
    know - anyone out there with other data?).

    Quoted message said:


    Mark Hickey Habanero Cycles habcycles.comhabcycles.com
    Home of the $695 ti frame

    This is only a 200 meter race from a dead stop in a
    straight line.


    Winning

    Quoted message said:

    times were 15-16 seconds. The mtb was equipped with road
    tires. I think this is like regular car drag racing. Who
    ever can put the power to the ground will the get the
    jump. (wide mountain bike handbar can provide a


    lot

    Quoted message said:

    of leverage at the start) Aerodynamics will come into play
    if the race is long enough.

    Quoted message said:

    I suspect it all comes down to what you're used to
    working best.

    That is a good point since type of racing Brian Lopes is
    use to are


    sprints

    Quoted message said:

    from a dead stop on a mountain bike.

    Visit a Velodrome--see matched sprints taking place, and
    how they are won. Even though a matched sprint covers 3
    laps, the first 2 and a half are cat and mouse low speed
    maneuvering...With less than 100 meters left to go there is
    an explosion, and that is where the sprint really takes
    place. I raced at the Velodrome at Brian Piccolo Park for
    years, and trust me, NO ONE would ever attempt a matched
    sprint on a mountain bike. The track bike gives you better
    "leverage" for the type of muscle contractions and power
    development you need to hit 40 or more miles per hour, it
    weighs less than a road bike, and that is significant with
    the gear leverage you apply from a dead stop---this
    translates into this discussion as well, since in the "drag
    race" scenario discussed here, from a dead stop, the road
    bikes should weigh quite a bit less than even the lightest
    mountain bikes. How many 15 pound mountain bikes are their
    running around--even if you put roadie type wheels and
    tires on them?

    The mountain bike gives better balance and handling for
    negotiating obstacles on the trail---the road bike or track
    bike will provide better geometry for the type of muscle
    leverage required for hitting the fastest sprint possible.

    Then again, you could put Marty Northstein (former Olympic
    track champion) on a mountain bike, and any of us on a track
    bike, and he'd smoke us in a 200 yard sprint ....Maybe he'd
    only hit 41 mph instead of 45, but he'd get to it faster
    than we would, and most of us would not be hitting much over
    37 mph, especially from a standing start!

    Dan V

  17. After reading the article linked to the post, it would seem Lopes has
    trained his muscles better for the geometry of a mountain bike, than he has
    for the geometry of a road bike--not too surprising, considering he is a
    downhill racer. He must be a very strong sprinter. With several months on a
    track bike, my bet is that he would beat his record on the mountain bike :-)

    Dan V

  18. [email hidden] (Brett) wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

    Quoted message said:

    Are 10 speeds overall faster and better for paved paths
    than a mountain bike? Why?

    I live in DC. I stay on paved trails with my Trek 800
    Sport mountain bike. I notice the 10-speed (or what ever
    gearing they have) type bikes seem to always go flying
    around me and other people, usually other mountain bikers.
    I don't know if it is because these guys are more in shape
    or their bike. I keep a good steady pace but get passed by
    people on 10 speeds. Even on up hills.

    My mountain bike weighs about 33.5 lbs. I paid close to
    $200 for it brand new. What are some of the prices for a
    decent 10, 18, etc. speed bike for under $400? What do
    they average in weight?

    Thanks, Brett

    FYI: modern road bikes can have 3 rings up front and 10 in
    the back, making it a "30 speed". I don't know how many
    distinct ratios that actually makes, but whatever. /scott If
    you somehow mounted those 10 cogs on a Rohloff 14sp hub,
    would that be 43 speed? Or a 420sp?

  19. "Dan Volker" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]... With
    several months on a

    Quoted message said:

    track bike, my bet is that he would beat his record on the
    mountain bike


    :-)

    Quoted message said:


    Dan V

    Who knows that might happen. See attached article:

    mbaction.comdetail.asp

  20. [email hidden] (supabonbon) wrote

    Quoted message said:


    If you somehow mounted those 10 cogs on a Rohloff 14sp
    hub, would that be 43 speed? Or a 420sp?

    Thanks. Now I won't get to sleep tonight.

    CC

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