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  1. I'm just beginning to research what bike to pick up for summer use.
    I want to road ride a lot, some dirt trails, maybe jump a branch
    or two, but nothing extreme. I favour a mountain bike but would
    like some pointers on which ones to look at first.

    i hope to go for all day rides so I'd like fenders and some
    way to attach bags (panniers?) Lights will be necessary
    in case i get stuck out too long and have to come back
    in the dusk or later (shouldn't happen often but i'd
    like to be prepared).

    price point is around 1000 canadian dollars.

    thanks for any suggestions...thehick.

  2. "frank-in-toronto" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    I'm just beginning to research what bike to pick up for summer use.
    I want to road ride a lot, some dirt trails, maybe jump a branch
    or two, but nothing extreme. I favour a mountain bike but would
    like some pointers on which ones to look at first.

    i hope to go for all day rides so I'd like fenders and some
    way to attach bags (panniers?) Lights will be necessary
    in case i get stuck out too long and have to come back
    in the dusk or later (shouldn't happen often but i'd
    like to be prepared).

    price point is around 1000 canadian dollars.


    A bit more than you might want to spend, but take a look at

    Bruce Gordon's BLT - arguably the best touring bike for the money:

    http://www.bgcycles.com/blt.html

    Or if you prefer something a bit less rugged, check out Heron Touring or
    Randonneur:

    http://www.heronbicycles.com/index.html

  3. bfd said:


    "frank-in-toronto" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    I'm just beginning to research what bike to pick up for summer use.
    I want to road ride a lot, some dirt trails, maybe jump a branch
    or two, but nothing extreme. I favour a mountain bike but would
    like some pointers on which ones to look at first.

    i hope to go for all day rides so I'd like fenders and some
    way to attach bags (panniers?) Lights will be necessary
    in case i get stuck out too long and have to come back
    in the dusk or later (shouldn't happen often but i'd
    like to be prepared).

    price point is around 1000 canadian dollars.


    A bit more than you might want to spend, but take a look at

    Bruce Gordon's BLT - arguably the best touring bike for the money:

    http://www.bgcycles.com/blt.html

    Or if you prefer something a bit less rugged, check out Heron Touring or
    Randonneur:

    http://www.heronbicycles.com/index.html


    thanks for the suggestions, but i'm not rich and i'm
    gonna get a mountain bike that will double as a pretty
    good road bike. i don't mind changing the wheels
    for the different applications or maybe i might get
    those tires that are mostly flat across with some
    knobbies on the sides.

    the trek x01 looks good too but not what i'm
    looking for. there is tons of info on touring bikes
    available, i want something a little different.

    excuse my ignorance but my current oldie mountain
    bike is solid front and back, so i have no
    real experience riding suspension models. what will
    be so bad riding a front susp bike on pavement?
    ....thehick

  4. In article <[email hidden]>,

    frank-in-toronto said:

    I'm just beginning to research what bike to pick up for summer use.
    I want to road ride a lot, some dirt trails, maybe jump a branch
    or two, but nothing extreme. I favour a mountain bike but would
    like some pointers on which ones to look at first.

    i hope to go for all day rides so I'd like fenders and some
    way to attach bags (panniers?) Lights will be necessary
    in case i get stuck out too long and have to come back
    in the dusk or later (shouldn't happen often but i'd
    like to be prepared).

    price point is around 1000 canadian dollars.

    thanks for any suggestions...thehick.

    As others have pointed out, a lot of bikes will do what you want. The
    cheapest option would be a 20-year-old road bike, many of which will
    accomodate fenders and moderately fat tires. They also usually have
    eyelets for bags and fenders. I have happily ridden my road bikes (even
    the race bike) on dirt roads, gravel roads, and other odd surfaces with
    ease, so don't fret too much about the dirtability.

    Next up, and a credible choice, would be an old rigid mountain bike.
    Cheap, amazingly sturdy, almost always eyeletted for fenders and racks,
    and lots of clearance for fenders and fat tires. The smaller 26" MTB
    wheels will also be rather tougher than road-sized 700c wheels, should
    you go in for abusive off-roading.

    If I was in your position, I would incline to a high-quality one of
    these, and add slick (road) tires. On a dry dirt trail, such a bike
    would be as fast or faster than any other mountain bike. A new rigid
    mountain bike would be fine, too, but is relatively rare, at least for
    good-quality ones. For a couple hundred dollars, you could get the
    nicest, most pristine steel-framed mountain bike ever. I bet a dollar
    you could find a virtually unridden example within a week of looking. It
    would be fun to ride, durable, and you'd have a ton of room left in your
    budget for good accessories (just wait until you price panniers).

    After that, you could get a new touring bike (C$1000 should get you into
    a Sora-equipped road bike, probably of touristy type). Such a machine
    would be the fastest type of bike that would meet all your requirements.
    Yes, you can ride them over branches. I recommend looking for something
    with reasonable fat-tire capabilities, but warn you that such a bike, as
    a new purchase, will probably break your budget.

    You could also go for a new mountain bike. Hardtail MTBs (the ones with
    front suspension only) are nice, can be light, are perfectly dirt-worthy
    (you can now buy "hucking" hardtails that are designed to be
    indestructible by 20-somethings with a penchant for epic crashes;
    overkill for your needs, but that's the range of toughness available),
    and again, probably have all the eyelets and fender clearance you need.
    This would be a plush ride, but I have a hardtail MTB, and while I love
    riding it up and down serious trails (I live in Vancouver; we know from
    serious), it's pretty dreary on the road. If you go this route, I
    recommend slick tires again, since it sounds like you're a 90% road kind
    of guy.

    the upright-versus-drop bar debate is a messy one for many, but I think
    it is simple: flat bars cost you a couple of km/h at the top end, but
    are probably more pleasant to ride for light to moderate distances. I
    happen to know a couple of regular commuters old enough to value the
    merits of an unbent back, and both favour a flat bar on their commuting
    bicycles. I might do the same, but my commute serves as training for my
    road racing. If you really care about speed, you can add a set of aero
    bars to a set of flat bars, which gives you a very nice extra hand
    position (beware the inability to brake; use with discretion) that
    happens to be very fast. Ride a slick-tired flat-bar mountain bike with
    clip-on aero bars, and you would be nearly as fast as on a road bike.

    I think my recommendation is obvious, but let me be explicit: if I was
    you, I'd buy a used, rigid (no suspension) mountain bike. I'd buy a
    really clean one, and pay well for it. But I'm cheap. And I don't think
    you're out for top speed.

    Among new bikes, here's a nice choice:

    http://marinbikes.com/bicycles_2005/html/bikes/bike_specs/specs_novato.ht
    ml

    Marin Novato. It's a rigid bike (I said they were rare; they're not
    nonexistent) for US$620 MSRP. Dealer will probably sell for less.

    Here's another:

    http://norco.com/05/2005bikes/bikes/det_crd3.htm

    Norco CRD-3. It's a road bike, but a touring-y one, with some reasonably
    serious rims: double-walled, 32 spokes apiece, and overly skinny (for
    your use) 23 mm tires. I'd jump a branch with it, but it's definitely a
    _road_ bike.

    Here's a very cheap and cheerful option:

    http://norco.com/05/2005bikes/bikes/det_plateau.htm

    C$405 MSRP for a capable but unexciting "comfort" bike: flat bars,
    road-ish tires (seem to be a 'hybrid' tread, which usually means
    inverted knobbies. A reasonable on/off-road compromise, but I prefer
    more road-oriented, slicker tires), and a fairly crude 50mm suspension
    fork. Even has a suspension seatpost for a nice squishy ride. It would
    be heavy (especially compared to that Marin) but it's an everybike: it
    will go anywhere, do anything, and all modestly well.

    Regarding your lighting request: if you expect to only ride in the dark
    rarely, you could probably get away with a reasonable white LED light up
    front, and a reasonable red LED light at the back (or two, for
    redundancy and visibility). Good front lights cost $15-30+; good rear
    lights cost $5-15+. I would avoid lights that don't take AA or AAA
    batteries; the N-cell powered lights are tiny and bright, but N-cells
    are more expensive and unavailable as rechargeables. These are all what
    are referred to as "be seen" lights, as opposed to "seeing" lights. The
    difference is that in truly dark conditions, you can't safely ride
    solely by the light of a small LED front light, but they suffice to make
    you visible to cars. Most urban and suburban areas are well-lit enough
    that that's all you need; I happily commute using only LEDs quite often.
    Lights good enough to ride by in true darkness start around $100.

    --
    Ryan Cousineau, [email hidden] http://www.wiredcola.com
    Verus de parvis; verus de magnis.

  5. In article <[email hidden]>,

    frank-in-toronto said:
    bfd said:


    "frank-in-toronto" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    I'm just beginning to research what bike to pick up for summer use.
    I want to road ride a lot, some dirt trails, maybe jump a branch
    or two, but nothing extreme. I favour a mountain bike but would
    like some pointers on which ones to look at first.

    Quoted message said:

    excuse my ignorance but my current oldie mountain
    bike is solid front and back, so i have no
    real experience riding suspension models. what will
    be so bad riding a front susp bike on pavement?
    ...thehick

    Well, it's not a big deal, but the suspension can and will compress from
    pedaling forces, especially when you're pressing hard. When I try to
    seriously accelerate out of the saddle, or climb a hill, the ront end
    definitely bobs, and can even pogo hard enough to lift the front wheel
    off the ground. It robs efficiency in those situations, and doesn't feel
    good. It's far less of a problem than rear suspension compression, but
    it still bugs me.

    The upside is an even softer ride, the ability to absorb bigger drops
    with ease, improved handling and braking (=faster, more comfortable
    riding) on rough trails. That latter one is why there's suspension on
    mountain bikes: the object of the game is to keep the front tire in
    contact with the ground as much as possible.

    --
    Ryan Cousineau, [email hidden] http://www.wiredcola.com
    Verus de parvis; verus de magnis.

  6. On Fri, 28 Jan 2005 19:42:40 -0500 in rec.bicycles.misc,

    frank-in-toronto said:

    I'm just beginning to research what bike to pick up for summer use.
    I want to road ride a lot, some dirt trails, maybe jump a branch
    or two, but nothing extreme. I favour a mountain bike but would
    like some pointers on which ones to look at first.


    i've toured in alaska, the yukon, and britain and france on a
    mountain bike with inverse tread tires (ritchey crossbites when i
    can find them). fat tires with a smooth tread like them can be
    inflated to 65 psi for a relatively efficient ride on asphalt or
    concrete.

    my next bike will be lighter, probably titanium, and probably
    have a moderate travel front shock fork for more comfort when
    riding cobblestones, potholes and off-road, and i'm considering
    adding a bob trailer for camping trips.

    but my old $350 diamondback has lasted for the past 10 years. i
    have zefal plastic fenders, front and rear racks and panniers,
    and have used it for great camping trips. for 7 of those years i
    had no car and rode everywhere, and toured at least a week every
    year, and had only 3 or 4 flat tires. when i had a touring bike
    back in the early 80s, i was always fixing flats on those damn
    narrow tires.

  7. Bonehenge said:
    frank-in-toronto said:

    thanks for the suggestions, but i'm not rich and i'm
    gonna get a mountain bike that will double as a pretty
    good road bike.

    Let us know when you find it. <G>


    ok. maybe i should have said, i'd like to get...

    Quoted message said:

    I own five bikes, a carbon road bike, a 5" travel "all mountain" FS
    mountain bike, a hardtail mountain bike, a downhill bike, and a 'cross
    bike. My previous commuter was a hard tail mountain bike with
    semi-slicks. It still sucks on the road, so I bought the XO1. My XO
    is optimized towards pavement, with 32mm road tires.

    Jumping things and _pretty good_ road performance are mutually
    exclusive. Jumping things and bearable road performance, OR not
    jumping things, but riding dirt trails, and pretty good road
    performance are doable. Even a full rigid mountain bike, if you can
    still find a decent one, will only be OK on the road, but will not be
    all that hot for drops.

    If you said "I want to ride trails, do short commutes and the
    occasional milk run", a mountain bike would be fine. "All day
    touring" is a totally different ball game.


    hmmmmmm. i really don't jump. i really will be road riding 99%
    of the time. maybe mountain is not the way to go. as spring
    approaches, i'll visit the lbs and see what's available.
    thanks...thehick

  8. frank-in-toronto said:
    Bonehenge said:
    frank-in-toronto said:

    thanks for the suggestions, but i'm not rich and i'm
    gonna get a mountain bike that will double as a pretty
    good road bike.

    Let us know when you find it. <G>


    ok. maybe i should have said, i'd like to get...

    Quoted message said:

    I own five bikes, a carbon road bike, a 5" travel "all mountain" FS
    mountain bike, a hardtail mountain bike, a downhill bike, and a 'cross
    bike. My previous commuter was a hard tail mountain bike with
    semi-slicks. It still sucks on the road, so I bought the XO1. My XO
    is optimized towards pavement, with 32mm road tires.

    Jumping things and _pretty good_ road performance are mutually
    exclusive. Jumping things and bearable road performance, OR not
    jumping things, but riding dirt trails, and pretty good road
    performance are doable. Even a full rigid mountain bike, if you can
    still find a decent one, will only be OK on the road, but will not be
    all that hot for drops.

    If you said "I want to ride trails, do short commutes and the
    occasional milk run", a mountain bike would be fine. "All day
    touring" is a totally different ball game.


    hmmmmmm. i really don't jump. i really will be road riding 99%
    of the time. maybe mountain is not the way to go. as spring
    approaches, i'll visit the lbs and see what's available.
    thanks...thehick

    Riding a non-mountain bike on dirt is not bad, evil, dangerous or impossible.
    Tires with some tread are pretty much a requirement as is enough room around the
    tires that every twig, leaf and glob of mud isn't stuck between the tire and
    frame.

    Ron

  9. In article <[email hidden]>,

    frank-in-toronto said:

    hmmmmmm. i really don't jump. i really will be road riding 99%
    of the time. maybe mountain is not the way to go. as spring
    approaches, i'll visit the lbs and see what's available.
    thanks...thehick

    Frank, I second Bonehenge. I built up a cyclocross bike around a Jamis
    Nova frame (I'll spare you the component list) and it serves as my
    'everything' bike. I commute with it; it has eyelets for fenders and
    racks--even fork bosses for low riders; its great for centuries, albeit
    heavier than your typical AL or OCLV racer; and it rides well on fire
    roads and trails with appropriate rubber on the rims. In short, a great
    all-rounder.

    Of course, it does NOT handle technical off roading well: the Nova is
    not for challenging single track riding.

    And, as Ryan has outlined, a 20+ year old road racer will do all a
    contemporary cyclocross bike does. It will also accommodate a wide
    choice of tires, fenders, racks, etc--and for much less money. But
    prior to going this route, experience should have informed you of the
    frame size required and honed your skill as a backyard bicycle
    mechanic--rare is the garage sale bike that doesn't need an extensive
    overhaul or components replaced.

    If your bike is to be used predominantly for long day rides then it's
    best to avoid suspension (energy sapper) as well as straight handlebars
    more choice in hand positions alleviates fatigue). And it can't be
    emphasized enough: a correct bike fit is paramount.

    IIRC, a LBS "Ideal Bicycle" on Queen Street East near Jones Ave. had
    some nice Marin cyclocross models for under 1k.

    luke

  10. "frank-in-toronto" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    I'm just beginning to research what bike to pick up for summer use.
    I want to road ride a lot, some dirt trails, maybe jump a branch
    or two, but nothing extreme. I favour a mountain bike but would
    like some pointers on which ones to look at first.

    i hope to go for all day rides so I'd like fenders and some
    way to attach bags (panniers?) Lights will be necessary
    in case i get stuck out too long and have to come back
    in the dusk or later (shouldn't happen often but i'd
    like to be prepared).

    price point is around 1000 canadian dollars.

    thanks for any suggestions...thehick.

    Everyone else had pretty good ideas, but you also might want to seriously
    check out the hybrids and or comfort bikes as well.
    The comfort bikes cost from under US $300 to over $1,000 depending on model
    and who's selling them.
    Hybrids run from US $400 on up. Don't underestimate the comfort bikes
    though, they are basically mountain bikes with the handlebars set higher,
    and they have both front and rear suspension, and some have sprung seats as
    well. Hybrids are more or less (depending on the model and brand) mountain
    bikes converted to road bike use. Thus the hybrids typically have
    suspension, straight bars and cyclecross like road tires and wheels.
    A good hybrid example is the Cannondale Ultra Bad Boy with or without disc
    brakes, around US $899 without disc brakes and around $1299 with disc
    brakes.
    You can also check out the Raleigh comfort bike series, the high end models
    with disc brakes are still under US $800. The Raleigh comfort bikes have
    fully adjustable stems and if later you want it to be more like a mountain
    bike you can swap out the riser bars for a straight bar and adjust the stem
    to be lower.
    Most of the bike comapiens have comfort bikes now so there are a lot of
    choices there too.

    Lights should be fairly easy, the rear LED light should be really bright and
    seeable for a long way off. The headlight depends on the area you are riding
    in, if it is a lighted street area the LED models are more than adequate.
    But if you are going to be on or off road in an unlighted area, you would
    really want one of the better high quality lights, like those from
    NiteRider, so you can see where you are going.

  11. Luke said:

    In article <[email hidden]>,

    frank-in-toronto said:

    hmmmmmm. i really don't jump. i really will be road riding 99%
    of the time. maybe mountain is not the way to go. as spring
    approaches, i'll visit the lbs and see what's available.
    thanks...thehick

    Frank, I second Bonehenge.


    <snip some good advise>
    thanks to all the responders. I have a different idea now
    than when I started. I'll be checking into an entry-level
    road bike. but also, i'm going to hit a lot of garage sales
    in the spring. i can fix old bikes. no problem.
    ....thehick

  12. http://www.fisherbikes.com/archive/bike_detail.asp?year=2004&bike=DualSport229

    I just bought one and love it. I tested so many full suspension bikes
    that I went from wanting to spend $350 (comfort style) to almost
    spending over $3000 on a Palimino! Lost sleep over that bike 2 days
    ago, and now I can't even remember who makes it. Well I had forgot
    that I am riding about 80% road right now, and the full suspension was
    a little more than I really need. I do fear that these wheels will be
    trashed first time I hit a single track, but the bike ought to do fine
    on the greenway or rail trails. The 29" wheels ride so much better on
    the road than the standard 26" mountain bike wheels, and the GF
    website has a compelling argument on how they'll roll over rocks and
    logs. I probablly should have gone with the GF Paragon "05 model,
    would be better suited for off road, but there was not one at the
    store (around $1200). Mine has so called "slicks" but there is the
    edge tread, and even the center of the tire is slightly ribbed. It
    also has a 48 tooth chainring, I never found a MTN bike with more than
    44. I was averaging 14-16 mph on my old Sears Kennsington (26"
    wheels), and after about 25 miles on the GF 229 I'm getting 18-20 mph!
    I have the fork dialed all the way stiff now. It has a Shimano XT
    rear, LX front and LX shifters.Oh yeah, I paid $680 for it!

    frank-in-toronto said:

    I'm just beginning to research what bike to pick up for summer use.
    I want to road ride a lot, some dirt trails, maybe jump a branch
    or two, but nothing extreme. I favour a mountain bike but would
    like some pointers on which ones to look at first.

    i hope to go for all day rides so I'd like fenders and some
    way to attach bags (panniers?) Lights will be necessary
    in case i get stuck out too long and have to come back
    in the dusk or later (shouldn't happen often but i'd
    like to be prepared).

    price point is around 1000 canadian dollars.

    thanks for any suggestions...thehick.

  13. In article <[email hidden]>,

    frank-in-toronto said:

    I'm just beginning to research what bike to pick up for summer use.
    I want to road ride a lot, some dirt trails, maybe jump a branch
    or two, but nothing extreme. I favour a mountain bike but would
    like some pointers on which ones to look at first.

    i hope to go for all day rides so I'd like fenders and some
    way to attach bags (panniers?) Lights will be necessary
    in case i get stuck out too long and have to come back
    in the dusk or later (shouldn't happen often but i'd
    like to be prepared).

    price point is around 1000 canadian dollars.

    thanks for any suggestions...thehick.

    I have read your last comment that you've been swayed by some posters
    here that a road bike is better for touring and that a mountain bike is
    not ideal.

    I am not sure which planet they are on, but when I was on my last long
    tour, I always saw more people on mountain bikes than on pure road
    touring bikes. Distance and comfort don't seem to bother these people
    either. In fact, I used to work for a company that sponsored 2 French
    Canadians (Janick Lemieux and Pierre Bouchard) that tour only with
    mountain bikes.
    Distance and comfort never bothered them either.

    Don't let fear mongering here disuade you from choosing a mountain bike
    for touring over a touring road bike. There's nothing wrong with
    touring on a mountain bike. I have done it many many times with my GT
    iDrive. I also tour on a real 700c touring bike as well.

    To attach panniers, hard tails are easier to equip compared to full
    suzzies though.
    For front shocks, you've got 3 choices. The Axiom Odyssee (from Norco)
    is a front rack similar in design to the Old Man Mountain's version,
    but it's cheaper and works with a lot of front forks, namely the Fox
    Forx. Delta makes their own version of the front shock rack called
    the shock treatment, but will not work well with Fox Forx and some
    Marzocchi Jumper forks with burly stanchion tubes.

    For the rear, a regular touring rack for hard tails or an Old Man
    Mountain rear rack for full suzzies.

    Fenders made by SKS are nice. I have them on my mountain bike..

    David.


  14. Quoted message said:

    If you said "I want to ride trails, do short commutes and the
    occasional milk run", a mountain bike would be fine. "All day
    touring" is a totally different ball game.

    Barry

    Barry,

    A lot of sponsored globe trotters are riding with flat handle bars and
    what looks to me like mountain bikes.. They are not touring for 1 or 2
    weeks like some of us do. They are touring for years on the road, so
    it seems to me that all day touring on a mountain bike would be just
    fine.

    David..

  15. On Thu, 03 Feb 2005 06:21:57 GMT, David
    <[email hidden]> wrote:

    <snip some alternative info>

    Quoted message said:


    David.


    thanks for presenting the other side. I checked out
    some road bikes at the LBS and I'm not spending that
    kind of money just to ride around. Looks like 12 or
    13 hundred dollars for entry level giant/specialized.
    not including fenders, lights, racks.

    yikes!

    i'm gonna fix up my old mounain bike with some smooth
    tires, make my own rear rack and get some riding
    gloves. that'll be fine.
    ....thehick

  16. "frank-in-toronto" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    On Thu, 03 Feb 2005 06:21:57 GMT, David
    <[email hidden]> wrote:

    <snip some alternative info>

    Quoted message said:


    David.


    thanks for presenting the other side. I checked out
    some road bikes at the LBS and I'm not spending that
    kind of money just to ride around. Looks like 12 or
    13 hundred dollars for entry level giant/specialized.
    not including fenders, lights, racks.

    yikes!

    i'm gonna fix up my old mounain bike with some smooth
    tires, make my own rear rack and get some riding
    gloves. that'll be fine.
    ...thehick

    Hey, if your old mt bike works do it! The key is to ride. Just get a good
    set of slick tires, something like 26 x 1.25. Avocet makes a good one that
    rolls real nice, but it cost about $20 each.

  17. On Thu, 3 Feb 2005 17:46:39 -0800, "bfd" <[email hidden]> wrote:

    <snipper>

    Quoted message said:

    Hey, if your old mt bike works do it! The key is to ride. Just get a good
    set of slick tires, something like 26 x 1.25. Avocet makes a good one that
    rolls real nice, but it cost about $20 each.


    you mean the cross II K? i'll look around.
    ....thehick

  18. frank-in-toronto said:

    On Thu, 03 Feb 2005 06:21:57 GMT, David
    <[email hidden]> wrote:

    <snip some alternative info>

    Quoted message said:

    David.

    thanks for presenting the other side. I checked out
    some road bikes at the LBS and I'm not spending that
    kind of money just to ride around. Looks like 12 or
    13 hundred dollars for entry level giant/specialized.
    not including fenders, lights, racks.

    yikes!

    i'm gonna fix up my old mounain bike with some smooth
    tires, make my own rear rack and get some riding
    gloves. that'll be fine.
    ...thehick

    Well, if you're a hick then I am a bicycle bum since I wouldn't spend a
    grand on a bike either. If I can't get a decent ride for under $150.00 I
    will just go to another dump. One Huffy, $85 and 10,000 miles, a
    Mongoose given to me with about 2,000 miles so far, a Schwinn Super
    Sport that was given to me but parts cost a lot, and an old Motobecane
    without one single Japanese part on it. Totally French, Swiss, and
    German. I pack breakfast lunch and sometimes dinner plus plenty of water
    or other liquid for the long rides. Back pack, [censored] pack, saddle bags,
    and the works for long rides with no support stops.
    Bill Baka

  19. In article <[email hidden]>,

    frank-in-toronto said:

    On Thu, 03 Feb 2005 06:21:57 GMT, David
    <[email hidden]> wrote:

    <snip some alternative info>

    Quoted message said:


    David.


    thanks for presenting the other side. I checked out
    some road bikes at the LBS and I'm not spending that
    kind of money just to ride around. Looks like 12 or
    13 hundred dollars for entry level giant/specialized.
    not including fenders, lights, racks.

    yikes!

    i'm gonna fix up my old mounain bike with some smooth
    tires, make my own rear rack and get some riding
    gloves. that'll be fine.
    ...thehick

    Frank,

    Good that you have that thought! Despite with what some people try to
    make a case of here, any bike can be made to be a touring bike. You
    just have to have an imagination that's all.

    When I was doing a year of touring in 2003, I rode with a female rider
    that was touring Canada with a cheap, albeit broken down Canadian Tire
    special mountain bike. More than 8000 miles later, she did it! Yes,
    on a cheap $200 bike.
    So you see, anything is possible..

    David.

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    frank-in-toronto said:

    On Thu, 3 Feb 2005 17:46:39 -0800, "bfd" <[email hidden]> wrote:

    <snipper>

    Quoted message said:

    Hey, if your old mt bike works do it! The key is to ride. Just get a good
    set of slick tires, something like 26 x 1.25. Avocet makes a good one that
    rolls real nice, but it cost about $20 each.


    you mean the cross II K? i'll look around.

    _ That's a good tire if you plan to do much dirt road
    riding, Avocet also makes a treadless slick in that size
    as well, which would be better for mostly paved road riding.

    _ Booker C. Bense

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