Motorists will even hate us more now

Peter Wilson said:

The story on ACA tonight will only make us more hated on the roads, we
really didn't need that story.
But we do have a problem, they want us off the footpaths, and also off the
roads, so where the F%$k are we supposed to ride.

Great idea, about registration, but I don,t think a big number plate is
going to look too cool on my Trek Road bike.

Anyway, we can only live day by day, its a shame that the general public
doesn't see the benefit we are doing by putting less pollution in our
cities, and keeping people out of hospitals by keeping fit, no they get
[censored] because we hold them up for about 3 seconds.

86,400.......86,400.......86,400.......make 86,400 your riding mantra

that's how many seconds there are in a day....

do the math 60x60x24 = more than enough bloody time for a jerk off impatient to lend just a few seconds to a rider to save his life...it won't cost the driver much if he does...it could cost a rider his life if the driver doesn't....

86,400....86,400...... 86,400

rooman said:

86,400.......86,400.......86,400.......make 86,400 your riding mantra

that's how many seconds there are in a day....

do the math 60x60x24 = more than enough bloody time for a jerk off impatient to lend just a few seconds to a rider to save his life...it won't cost the driver much if he does...it could cost a rider his life if the driver doesn't....

86,400....86,400...... 86,400

yeah and why should the government have any real incentive to do anything to change the situation when they make so much money out of fuel tax.

I saw an article saying the sale of bicycles in the UK was continuing to increase due to the petrol price showing no sign of slowing down, maybe it will happen here as well, the cost of petrol will get so high, people will starting riding bikes and we can watch the government start to lose money on fuel tax, and then! they will introduce a registration for bikes and a cost to go with it.

"Peter Wilson" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

The story on ACA tonight will only make us more hated on the roads, we
really didn't need that story.
But we do have a problem, they want us off the footpaths, and also off the
roads, so where the F%$k are we supposed to ride.

Great idea, about registration, but I don,t think a big number plate is
going to look too cool on my Trek Road bike.

Anyway, we can only live day by day, its a shame that the general public
doesn't see the benefit we are doing by putting less pollution in our
cities, and keeping people out of hospitals by keeping fit, no they get
[censored] because we hold them up for about 3 seconds.

This idea about bicycle registration is BS as far as I'm concerned, are they
gunna force 5-12 yr old kids to register their BMX's or MTB's? Don't think
so!!
A bicycle is not a motorised machine, so why should it have to be registered
when anyone from 3-100 yrs old can ride one.
To make the Government worth it's while in admin costs, rego would have to
be over $80 a year, you could then see a whole industry bite the
dust....bike shops closed down, more people out of work, closing of clubs,
associations and not to mention, loss of freedom due to not being able to
keep the old clunker going because nobody can afford it.

One way to get motorists to be cycle savvy is to penalise them
hard.......that means anyone found guilty of hitting a cyclist due to
agravation or Hit Run should lose licence for at least 5 yrs, or even Jail
terms of the same if a cyclist dies due to driver negligence and 10 yrs
minimum for causing death or Hit /run

They can only be aware when it will cost them BIG TIME!! After all, a
cyclist is human and human life should be most important consideration.You
only have to look how the law protects pedestrians on footpaths and road
crossings not to mention school crossing zones, so why are people on
bicycles treated different? They have the same vulnerabilities although are
a lot quicker.

The only difference between a motorvehicle and a gun is the person in
control of the weapon.......if a death of a cyclist is caused in anger, then
the penalty should be the same as a shooting.

end of rant.....

Cheers
DJ

Peter Wilson said:

The story on ACA tonight will only make us more hated on the roads, we
really didn't need that story.
But we do have a problem, they want us off the footpaths, and also off the
roads, so where the F%$k are we supposed to ride.

Great idea, about registration, but I don,t think a big number plate is
going to look too cool on my Trek Road bike.

Anyway, we can only live day by day, its a shame that the general public
doesn't see the benefit we are doing by putting less pollution in our
cities, and keeping people out of hospitals by keeping fit, no they get
[censored] because we hold them up for about 3 seconds.

Two points: 1: the idea that registration will somehow improve compliance with road rules is at odds with motorists' behaviour (presuming that was the spin on the idea). 2: Who gets home in time to watch that [censored] anyway?

Ritch

DJ said:

"Peter Wilson" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

The story on ACA tonight will only make us more hated on the roads, we
really didn't need that story.
But we do have a problem, they want us off the footpaths, and also off the
roads, so where the F%$k are we supposed to ride.

Great idea, about registration, but I don,t think a big number plate is
going to look too cool on my Trek Road bike.

Anyway, we can only live day by day, its a shame that the general public
doesn't see the benefit we are doing by putting less pollution in our
cities, and keeping people out of hospitals by keeping fit, no they get
[censored] because we hold them up for about 3 seconds.

This idea about bicycle registration is BS as far as I'm concerned, are they
gunna force 5-12 yr old kids to register their BMX's or MTB's? Don't think
so!!
A bicycle is not a motorised machine, so why should it have to be registered
when anyone from 3-100 yrs old can ride one.
To make the Government worth it's while in admin costs, rego would have to
be over $80 a year, you could then see a whole industry bite the
dust....bike shops closed down, more people out of work, closing of clubs,
associations and not to mention, loss of freedom due to not being able to
keep the old clunker going because nobody can afford it.

One way to get motorists to be cycle savvy is to penalise them
hard.......that means anyone found guilty of hitting a cyclist due to
agravation or Hit Run should lose licence for at least 5 yrs, or even Jail
terms of the same if a cyclist dies due to driver negligence and 10 yrs
minimum for causing death or Hit /run

They can only be aware when it will cost them BIG TIME!! After all, a
cyclist is human and human life should be most important consideration.You
only have to look how the law protects pedestrians on footpaths and road
crossings not to mention school crossing zones, so why are people on
bicycles treated different? They have the same vulnerabilities although are
a lot quicker.

The only difference between a motorvehicle and a gun is the person in
control of the weapon.......if a death of a cyclist is caused in anger, then
the penalty should be the same as a shooting.

end of rant.....

Cheers
DJ

Given the huge focus on revenue building by catching speeding drivers,
etc., you'd think actually enforcing the rules that protect cyclists
would be a bigger priority - imagine the revenue from this!

Tam

Tamyka Bell said:

DJ wrote:
Given the huge focus on revenue building by catching speeding drivers,
etc., you'd think actually enforcing the rules that protect cyclists
would be a bigger priority - imagine the revenue from this!

Tam

Yeah but that requires manpower.

I work with cops, one of my colleagues used to be an accident investiagtor. I don't know any of them who are in favor of speed cams.

MikeyOz said:

I saw an article saying the sale of bicycles in the UK was continuing to increase due to the petrol price showing no sign of slowing down, maybe it will happen here as well, the cost of petrol will get so high, people will starting riding bikes and we can watch the government start to lose money on fuel tax, and then! they will introduce a registration for bikes and a cost to go with it.

The other reasons that bikes have skyrocketed in the UK is the London CBD tarif, and the fact that they introduced a law whereby you can salary sacrifice a bike in the UK. Now that's a great idea!

I believe they're also talking about a CBD tarif for Melbourne as well.

Walrus said:

The other reasons that bikes have skyrocketed in the UK is the London CBD tarif, and the fact that they introduced a law whereby you can salary sacrifice a bike in the UK. Now that's a great idea!

I believe they're also talking about a CBD tarif for Melbourne as well.

They are but it's not all it's cracked up to be. The main offenders with respect to congestion in the CBD are the office bound types who drive a car in to the CBD because they're important and stuff. Generally these are the well paid types who have a car as part of their package along with their paid for car park; the tarrif will just become another part of the package.

Meanwhile those who have a genuine need to use a car in the CBD to conduct their business will be penalised; the couriers, tradies etc. It's less likely that the tarrif will be part of their package.

Commuters who can't afford the CBD tarrif will still drive if they live in the Dandenongs; they'll just get off at Richmond which will push the congestion out to the perimiter of the CBD. This is what's happened in London.