mortons neuroma

Steve Shattuck said:

I have Morton's neuroma, (at least that's what I'm told). The last
think in the world I want to do is have surgery to correct this long
term problem. Has anyone had any luck with any alternatives to surgery?
Thanks much,
Steve

I had MN in both feet, caused (I believe) by wearing shoes that were
too small, especially too narrow (that'll teach me to buy at the
sales!)

Mine were cured by adjustments to my orthoses; specifically, my
podiatrist positioned a built up area just behind my metatarsal arch.
This lifted the arch from behind, relieving pressure and thus freeing
the neuroma.

I still occasionally get twinges, mainly if I do a lot of uphill
running, but I can live with that. Beats surgery, anyhoo.

Edward
--
The reading group's reading group:
http://www.bookgroup.org.uk

God not like astrology.
signal h h c......I say.
neuroma in philosophy not phisics.

currents in b 12.......

there a new fronteir in repairing damage
neuroma. a brown recluse bite me and I had a whole new calf made.

stem cell and I.vs......clean out poisen.
but god design for a reason...

watch your back.......

Quoted message said:

Steve Shattuck said:

I have Morton's neuroma, (at least that's what I'm told). The last
think in the world I want to do is have surgery to correct this long
term problem. Has anyone had any luck with any alternatives to surgery?
Thanks much,
Steve

I had MN in both feet, caused (I believe) by wearing shoes that were
too small, especially too narrow (that'll teach me to buy at the
sales!)

Mine were cured by adjustments to my orthoses; specifically, my
podiatrist positioned a built up area just behind my metatarsal arch.
This lifted the arch from behind, relieving pressure and thus freeing
the neuroma.

I still occasionally get twinges, mainly if I do a lot of uphill
running, but I can live with that. Beats surgery, anyhoo.

Edward
--
The reading group's reading group:
http://www.bookgroup.org.uk

I had never heard of this condition until recently. About 2 months
into my
running program I paid my doctor a visit due to foot pain. He also
diagnosed it as Morton's neuroma. Here are the pads he suggested.
http://www.hapad.com/neu.shtml I also like the whole shoe inserts that
have
extra padding for the neuroma. Plain inserts without the additional
padding
for neuroma don't seem to help me.

I still haven't been able to get back into running but walking and
biking
haven't been too hampered by the condition. As we grow older we often
lose
some of the padding on the bottom of our feet and this seems to
aggravate
the condition. Too bad the padding couldn't have disappeared on other
parts
of the body<g>

It's cancer. Make peace with yourself.

1 hurt leads to others.

solutions cross train more.

signal past thru biology mental nerve philosophies maximum bare boniest.
as the wacker willie coyote misses the road runner again......

a way around the hurt, Not the cure.

watch your back!

Tom Wheeler said:

signal past thru biology mental nerve philosophies maximum bare boniest.
as the wacker willie coyote misses the road runner again......

VirgianaZ, please take note. *This* is poetry.

tkb

What a legacy for Morton..........to be a jogger so whiny about his sore
feet, that his Doctor named the trauma after the pansy.

On 15 Jun 2005 03:17:09 -0700, [email hidden] wrote:

:
:
:Steve Shattuck wrote:
:> I have Morton's neuroma, (at least that's what I'm told). The last
:> think in the world I want to do is have surgery to correct this long
:> term problem. Has anyone had any luck with any alternatives to surgery?
:> Thanks much,
:> Steve
:
:I had MN in both feet, caused (I believe) by wearing shoes that were
:too small, especially too narrow (that'll teach me to buy at the
:sales!)
:
:Mine were cured by adjustments to my orthoses; specifically, my
:podiatrist positioned a built up area just behind my metatarsal arch.
:This lifted the arch from behind, relieving pressure and thus freeing
:the neuroma.
:
:I still occasionally get twinges, mainly if I do a lot of uphill
:running, but I can live with that. Beats surgery, anyhoo.
:
:Edward
:--
:The reading group's reading group:
:http://www.bookgroup.org.uk

Morton's Neuroma doesn't always respond to orthotics. I think this is
especially true if you've had it for long. Best advice is to not wait,
get treatment. With time, it gets harder to treat and conservative
treatment will prove ineffective, most likely.

I was a pretty serious runner, for a guy who didn't compete or belong to
a club, etc. I used to run 6+ miles/day, and could run 5 miles in a bit
over 30 minutes some 20 years ago. My left heel/sole flared up back then
and I saw a sports doctor who said I had plantar fasciitus, and he gave
me some stretches and his assistant suggested I take up swimming in the
interim (I found out years later that I probably would have responded to
orthotics, but I don't believe this doctor made mention of that). 6
months - a year later, when I tried getting back to running (the foot
pain had subsided), I found that the condition flared up badly after 2-3
days running, and I stuck to swimming ever since. Ten years later I blew
out my shoulder by tearing the labrum, I was such an aggressive swimmer.
That led to my having to give up swimming and eventually have a scope to
fix the shoulder. I'm done running and swimming but still work out at
the gym and skate the streets and bike some.

I took up serious biking again a couple of years ago and climbed into
the hills daily, but after about 3 months my left foot started to hurt
every time - ball of the foot. I knew I had some problem there from 5
years ago, a nerve thing but I never had it looked at. When I finally
got insurance and got other issues off the front burner, I saw a foot
doctor and have been fighting the neuroma thing for the last 8 months
without success.

The podiatrists I've seen can't seem to agree what I have or how to
treat it. I've tried cortisone shots (5), hot/cold soaks, ice,
stretching, 4-5 different sets of orthotics including one custom set
that cost me $325, but none of this has appeared to much help the
condition. It's quite debilitating unless I pretend to be a spartan
stoic - a tough role to play. IOW, I can walk but sometimes the pain is
8 on a 10 scale, and I just want to take my shoes and socks off and lie
down. The pain subsides and after a while disappears when I do that.

The two main podiatrists I've seen at Kaiser think I have a neuroma, but
they don't agree in which webspace (2nd or 3rd)! That's a crucial
matter. It's usually in the 3rd (85% of the time), but can be in the
2nd. It's not a lock I have a neuroma, in fact. It didn't show up on an
MRI, but that's not uncommon and doesn't mean much. It's possible I
don't have a neuroma but meditarsagia from an inflamed joint and/or
tendons and tendon sheaths. Or, it could be some combination of these
things.

The doctor I'm seeing now thinks I have a neuroma in the 3rd space and
favors sclerosing, which he said is effective 40% of the time. That's
not really good odds. Surgery to remove the nerve has a better
prognosis, but there's a 15% chance or so of a nerve stub growing back
that can be even more painful than the original neuroma was and when
that happens, the chances of resolving the problem satisfactorily are
diminished from the original odds. IOW, problematical. So, the
sclerosing seems like a good alternative and if that doesn't work you
can still do the surgery. However, I saw one site
(http://www.podiatrytoday.com/podtd/displayArticleaa.cfm?articleID=article2691)
where a doctor says you can have nerve stub problems with sclerosing
just like you can from the surgery, so I'm concerned about that. That
doctor favors Cryogenic neuroablation, however doctors who favor or
pioneer new treatments often become biased toward their procedure and
biased against the alternative treatments. That's the impression I've
gotten reading various doctors' websites about various conditions they
treat.

Dan

GinaSimonBlease said:

Sad some are not empathetic to others needs. I have this condition, do not
need a Doctor to confirm or costly tests to prove. Rhumatoid Arthritis may
be my underlying foundation. No one has any answers hey? Well, I may.
First advice, if we attract the condition we can detract the condition -
Mind over Body I may say! Where are the testimonials from the success's?
None! If there are it seems short-lived and worse if we consider Surgery -
something a Doctor would have us undergo! Why? Money thats why. So I have
seen a 'Educational Kinesiologist' whom also uses Sacro-Cranial
Technique/Bowen Therapy and a positive attitude towards you and your
outcome. Minerals of course, support, so do whole foods ie: Goji Juice
(always check synergistic value when contemplating a hard sellers line of
their 'foods are the best'😉Two sessions of Kinesiology should be plenty,
the rest is up to the brain to develop a new attitude towards the body and
ourselves to take a larger and broader picture into perspective. Stay clear
minded when allowing them to do the work on you - some of it may seem
surreal but believe me, in two days my Rhumatoid Arthritis has eased at
least 50% and am off: Chemotherapy (taken once weekly small dosed tablet
form) Anti-inflammatorys, Prednisolone Tabs 5-10ml per day depending on
whether I was going out or not, and last ten weeks been using over-counter
pain killers. In two days I am off those too! And could not feel better. I
have sacked my Rhumatologist, Encrinologist, and Local Doctor whom always
has some new fandango 'pill' for me to take!!! Get real with yourself,
the only person whom can heal you is YOURSELF. God only helps those whom
help themselves, so go for it. Stop believing everything you have been
told and stop spending your hard earned money on throwing it at remedies
that prove not to work. I am 43. Diagnosed when I was 36. I am married
with an 8 year old son whom does not like to see his Mummy crying every
day in absolute agony with the Mortons Neuroma and
R/Arthritis/Osteoarthritis(caused by Horseriding accident when 26) and
diagnosed Osteoporosis due to 18% bone loss in bone density X-ray - Since
read that we loose 20% every year anyway and it is restored every 5 years!
Go Figure. Take stock of your own life and give yourself a break - get back
to being the person YOU CHOOSE TO BE - and not what others EXPECT YOU TO
BE. Yes need to do some conscious work/effort on reprogramming our minds
due to the many years of other controlling sorts. Remember WE LET THEM DO
IT IN THE PAST - IN THE FUTURE YOU DO HAVE A CHOICE - SET BOUNDARIES, GET
RID OF THOSE WHOM DO NOT SERVE YOUR HIGHEST GOOD WHETHER IT IS FAMILY
FRIENDS OR WORK ASSOCIATES - EVEN THAT TEACHER THAT DID YOU WRONG AS A KID
- LET IT/THEM GO!! FOR EVER, OR UNTIL THEY GROW THEMSELVES, IN THE MEANTIME
WE LEARN AND GROW EVERYDAY. GOOD LUCK I BELIEVE YOU HAVE THE CHOICE TO
'BREATHE'

It's caused by walking or running in shoes with a too high heel, which
characterises 99% of the running shoes out there and nearly all dress
shoes. It's becaused heeled shoes put too much pressure and unnatural
forces on the front of the foot, where the neuroma is. Switch to a
shoe with a neutral heel (I'm wearing unltd. mark ecko burgh) such as
the old style tennis shoe, and the pain will miraculously go away. The
damage is probably there though. I don't know how long it will last,
cause when I try to go back to a heeled shoe, the pain starts to
reactivate.

"Woodsman" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

It's caused by walking or running in shoes with a too high heel, which
characterises 99% of the running shoes out there and nearly all dress
shoes.

You doth protest too much. To assert MN is 99% a factor of heel height
is an exaggeration at best. If I was to take a wild ass guess as you
did, I would lean to shoes that at too tight/narrow. The squeezing of
the toes will generate hot sports and can cause/irritate Mortons.
Dress shoes in general, especially women's, are notoriously to narrow.
This is a fashion issue with narrow feet always fashionable with heel
height coming and going with cuffs on pants. Heel height can be a
contributing factor but to say 99% is way off the mark.

Quoted message said:

Switch to a
shoe with a neutral heel (I'm wearing unltd. mark ecko burgh) such as
the old style tennis shoe, and the pain will miraculously go away.
The
damage is probably there though. I don't know how long it will last,
cause when I try to go back to a heeled shoe, the pain starts to
reactivate.

While wearing a flatter shoe may help you it could be harmful to others.
Many people with MN respond well to orthotics which lift the area and
take the pressure off and allow the inflammation to subside and if
caught early to heal. With an orthotic one can stay in a real running
shoe and not give up needed cushioning/stability. A tennis style shoe
may solve one problem but in turn cause many others. I'm not suggesting
that less of a running shoe will not help some, and there are those that
advocate minimal to barefoot, but let's not generalize your fix to 99%.

-DF

Sad some are not empathetic to others needs. I have this condition, do not
need a Doctor to confirm or costly tests to prove. Rhumatoid Arthritis may
be my underlying foundation. No one has any answers hey? Well, I may.
First advice, if we attract the condition we can detract the condition -
Mind over Body I may say! Where are the testimonials from the success's?
None! If there are it seems short-lived and worse if we consider Surgery -
something a Doctor would have us undergo! Why? Money thats why. So I have
seen a 'Educational Kinesiologist' whom also uses Sacro-Cranial
Technique/Bowen Therapy and a positive attitude towards you and your
outcome. Minerals of course, support, so do whole foods ie: Goji Juice
(always check synergistic value when contemplating a hard sellers line of
their 'foods are the best'😉Two sessions of Kinesiology should be plenty,
the rest is up to the brain to develop a new attitude towards the body and
ourselves to take a larger and broader picture into perspective. Stay clear
minded when allowing them to do the work on you - some of it may seem
surreal but believe me, in two days my Rhumatoid Arthritis has eased at
least 50% and am off: Chemotherapy (taken once weekly small dosed tablet
form) Anti-inflammatorys, Prednisolone Tabs 5-10ml per day depending on
whether I was going out or not, and last ten weeks been using over-counter
pain killers. In two days I am off those too! And could not feel better. I
have sacked my Rhumatologist, Encrinologist, and Local Doctor whom always
has some new fandango 'pill' for me to take!!! Get real with yourself,
the only person whom can heal you is YOURSELF. God only helps those whom
help themselves, so go for it. Stop believing everything you have been
told and stop spending your hard earned money on throwing it at remedies
that prove not to work. I am 43. Diagnosed when I was 36. I am married
with an 8 year old son whom does not like to see his Mummy crying every
day in absolute agony with the Mortons Neuroma and
R/Arthritis/Osteoarthritis(caused by Horseriding accident when 26) and
diagnosed Osteoporosis due to 18% bone loss in bone density X-ray - Since
read that we loose 20% every year anyway and it is restored every 5 years!
Go Figure. Take stock of your own life and give yourself a break - get back
to being the person YOU CHOOSE TO BE - and not what others EXPECT YOU TO
BE. Yes need to do some conscious work/effort on reprogramming our minds
due to the many years of other controlling sorts. Remember WE LET THEM DO
IT IN THE PAST - IN THE FUTURE YOU DO HAVE A CHOICE - SET BOUNDARIES, GET
RID OF THOSE WHOM DO NOT SERVE YOUR HIGHEST GOOD WHETHER IT IS FAMILY
FRIENDS OR WORK ASSOCIATES - EVEN THAT TEACHER THAT DID YOU WRONG AS A KID
- LET IT/THEM GO!! FOR EVER, OR UNTIL THEY GROW THEMSELVES, IN THE MEANTIME
WE LEARN AND GROW EVERYDAY. GOOD LUCK I BELIEVE YOU HAVE THE CHOICE TO
'BREATHE'

On Sun, 26 Jun 2005 18:19:06 GMT, Dan_Musicant <[email hidden]>
wrote:

:On 15 Jun 2005 03:17:09 -0700, [email hidden] wrote:
:
::
::
::Steve Shattuck wrote:
::> I have Morton's neuroma, (at least that's what I'm told). The last
::> think in the world I want to do is have surgery to correct this long
::> term problem. Has anyone had any luck with any alternatives to surgery?
::> Thanks much,
::> Steve
::
::I had MN in both feet, caused (I believe) by wearing shoes that were
::too small, especially too narrow (that'll teach me to buy at the
::sales!)
::
::Mine were cured by adjustments to my orthoses; specifically, my
::podiatrist positioned a built up area just behind my metatarsal arch.
::This lifted the arch from behind, relieving pressure and thus freeing
::the neuroma.
::
::I still occasionally get twinges, mainly if I do a lot of uphill
::running, but I can live with that. Beats surgery, anyhoo.
::
::Edward
::--
::The reading group's reading group:
::http://www.bookgroup.org.uk
:
:Morton's Neuroma doesn't always respond to orthotics. I think this is
:especially true if you've had it for long. Best advice is to not wait,
:get treatment. With time, it gets harder to treat and conservative
:treatment will prove ineffective, most likely.
:
:I was a pretty serious runner, for a guy who didn't compete or belong to
:a club, etc. I used to run 6+ miles/day, and could run 5 miles in a bit
:over 30 minutes some 20 years ago. My left heel/sole flared up back then
:and I saw a sports doctor who said I had plantar fasciitus, and he gave
:me some stretches and his assistant suggested I take up swimming in the
:interim (I found out years later that I probably would have responded to
:orthotics, but I don't believe this doctor made mention of that). 6
:months - a year later, when I tried getting back to running (the foot
:pain had subsided), I found that the condition flared up badly after 2-3
:days running, and I stuck to swimming ever since. Ten years later I blew
:out my shoulder by tearing the labrum, I was such an aggressive swimmer.
:That led to my having to give up swimming and eventually have a scope to
:fix the shoulder. I'm done running and swimming but still work out at
:the gym and skate the streets and bike some.
:
:I took up serious biking again a couple of years ago and climbed into
:the hills daily, but after about 3 months my left foot started to hurt
:every time - ball of the foot. I knew I had some problem there from 5
:years ago, a nerve thing but I never had it looked at. When I finally
:got insurance and got other issues off the front burner, I saw a foot
:doctor and have been fighting the neuroma thing for the last 8 months
:without success.
:
:The podiatrists I've seen can't seem to agree what I have or how to
:treat it. I've tried cortisone shots (5), hot/cold soaks, ice,
:stretching, 4-5 different sets of orthotics including one custom set
:that cost me $325, but none of this has appeared to much help the
:condition. It's quite debilitating unless I pretend to be a spartan
:stoic - a tough role to play. IOW, I can walk but sometimes the pain is
:8 on a 10 scale, and I just want to take my shoes and socks off and lie
:down. The pain subsides and after a while disappears when I do that.
:
:The two main podiatrists I've seen at Kaiser think I have a neuroma, but
:they don't agree in which webspace (2nd or 3rd)! That's a crucial
:matter. It's usually in the 3rd (85% of the time), but can be in the
:2nd. It's not a lock I have a neuroma, in fact. It didn't show up on an
:MRI, but that's not uncommon and doesn't mean much. It's possible I
:don't have a neuroma but meditarsagia from an inflamed joint and/or
:tendons and tendon sheaths. Or, it could be some combination of these
:things.
:
:The doctor I'm seeing now thinks I have a neuroma in the 3rd space and
:favors sclerosing, which he said is effective 40% of the time. That's
:not really good odds. Surgery to remove the nerve has a better
:prognosis, but there's a 15% chance or so of a nerve stub growing back
:that can be even more painful than the original neuroma was and when
:that happens, the chances of resolving the problem satisfactorily are
:diminished from the original odds. IOW, problematical. So, the
:sclerosing seems like a good alternative and if that doesn't work you
:can still do the surgery. However, I saw one site
🙁http://www.podiatrytoday.com/podtd/displayArticleaa.cfm?articleID=article2691)
:where a doctor says you can have nerve stub problems with sclerosing
:just like you can from the surgery, so I'm concerned about that. That
:doctor favors Cryogenic neuroablation, however doctors who favor or
:pioneer new treatments often become biased toward their procedure and
:biased against the alternative treatments. That's the impression I've
:gotten reading various doctors' websites about various conditions they
:treat.
:
😄an

As a followup to this post (in the interest of keeping the archives
sensible), I'm posting this followup. I did start another thread a few
days ago:

Newsgroups: rec.running
Subject: Recovering from Morton's Neuroma surgery

http://groups.google.com/group/rec.running/browse_frm/thread/524f07d95ffd8c95/

To be brief, all my past podiatrists couldn't agree what I had because I
had the "quite rare" condition of two concurrent neuromas in the same
foot (2nd and 3rd webspace). My current podiatrist made the correct
diagnosis and removed both neuromas surgically ("sizable" with the 2nd
space one the larger, which is "unusual", and was one of the largest
he'd ever seen in the 2nd space).

It's been 13 days and the recovery is underway but it looks like it will
be a while before I'm back to normal activities. Right now I'm trying to
keep the foot elevated as much as possible.

Dan

On Thu, 12 Jan 2006 16:43:35 GMT, Dan_Musicant <[email hidden]>

Quoted message said:

As a followup to this post (in the interest of keeping the archives
sensible), I'm posting this followup. I did start another thread a few
days ago:

I don't get it? Why do you runners insist on running with Mortons
neuroma? Just give it back to him, and you won't get hurt.

On Thu, 12 Jan 2006 17:11:50 -0500, TBR <[email hidden]> wrote:

:On Thu, 12 Jan 2006 16:43:35 GMT, Dan_Musicant <[email hidden]>
:wrote:
:
:>
:>As a followup to this post (in the interest of keeping the archives
:>sensible), I'm posting this followup. I did start another thread a few
:>days ago:
:
:I don't get it? Why do you runners insist on running with Mortons
:neuroma? Just give it back to him, and you won't get hurt.

Wiseass. They say there's one in every crowd, but fortunately I don't
think there is.

On Fri, 13 Jan 2006 19:30:24 GMT, Dan_Musicant <[email hidden]>

Quoted message said:

Wiseass. They say there's one in every crowd, but fortunately I don't
think there is.

You were amused and amazed.

On Fri, 13 Jan 2006 15:11:23 -0500, TBR <[email hidden]> wrote:

:On Fri, 13 Jan 2006 19:30:24 GMT, Dan_Musicant <[email hidden]>
:wrote:
:
:>Wiseass. They say there's one in every crowd, but fortunately I don't
:>think there is.
:You were amused and amazed.

On Thu, 12 Jan 2006 17:11:50 -0500, TBR <[email hidden]> wrote:

:On Thu, 12 Jan 2006 16:43:35 GMT, Dan_Musicant <[email hidden]>
:wrote:
:
:>
:>As a followup to this post (in the interest of keeping the archives
:>sensible), I'm posting this followup. I did start another thread a few
:>days ago:
:
:I don't get it? Why do you runners insist on running with Mortons
:neuroma? Just give it back to him, and you won't get hurt.

On Fri, 13 Jan 2006 15:11:23 -0500, TBR <[email hidden]> wrote:

:On Fri, 13 Jan 2006 19:30:24 GMT, Dan_Musicant <[email hidden]>
:wrote:
:
:>Wiseass. They say there's one in every crowd, but fortunately I don't
:>think there is.
:You were amused and amazed.

No, don't be absurd. I was bugged and offended. Your comment was
insulting. I don't normally flame people but you deserve it. If you'd
gone through what I've gone through you would feel the same way, but you
don't have the sense to refrain from making an insensitive comment in
the guise of a joke. You're on the verge of being one of a handful of
people who have earned their way onto my kill list.

On Mon, 16 Jan 2006 20:47:56 GMT, Dan_Musicant <[email hidden]>

Quoted message said:

No, don't be absurd. I was bugged and offended. Your comment was
insulting. I don't normally flame people but you deserve it. If you'd
gone through what I've gone through you would feel the same way, but you
don't have the sense to refrain from making an insensitive comment in
the guise of a joke. You're on the verge of being one of a handful of
people who have earned their way onto my kill list.

You are full of [censored] you french turd! You LIVE for my every word. I
dominate your thoughts. You lust for my butt. You are a greaseball.
You'd never killfile me.

On Mon, 16 Jan 2006 20:41:27 GMT, Dan_Musicant <[email hidden]>

Quoted message said:

On Fri, 13 Jan 2006 15:11:23 -0500, TBR <[email hidden]> wrote:

:On Fri, 13 Jan 2006 19:30:24 GMT, Dan_Musicant <[email hidden]>
:wrote:
:
:>Wiseass. They say there's one in every crowd, but fortunately I don't
:>think there is.
:You were amused and amazed.

Wow! What jeenius.