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  1. This kind, I'm not sure about. I had one set that I could not separate.
    The other set, however, was fine.

    Tumaro's Gormet Tortillas

    "Low in Carbs"

    No partially hydrogenated oils listed. Canola oil is listed.

    Calories 100
    fat 2.5 g
    Carbs 13g
    Fiber 8g
    Protein 7g

    To me, these don't taste as good as the other ones I posted (see a week or
    so ago), but I don't trust the other ones -- they taste too good to be
    true. These taste more fibrous and are fine from my perspective. Plus,
    they're a bit smaller, so I tend not to add as much stuff to them.

    --
    Bob M
    remove ".x" to reply

  2. No wonder you're still fat.

    --
    Now [censored]. You cannot possibly be this stupid and remember to
    breathe. You must be trolling. -- Carmen

    "Bob M" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    This kind, I'm not sure about. I had one set that I could not separate.
    The other set, however, was fine.

    Tumaro's Gormet Tortillas

    "Low in Carbs"

    No partially hydrogenated oils listed. Canola oil is listed.

    Calories 100
    fat 2.5 g
    Carbs 13g
    Fiber 8g
    Protein 7g

    To me, these don't taste as good as the other ones I posted (see a week or
    so ago), but I don't trust the other ones -- they taste too good to be
    true. These taste more fibrous and are fine from my perspective. Plus,
    they're a bit smaller, so I tend not to add as much stuff to them.

    --
    Bob M
    remove ".x" to reply

  3. 100 calories with 13 carbs is not low carb.

    Is this why you're not losing wieght anymore?

    --
    You take stupid to a new level. -- MFW

    "marengo" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:01TPd.51033$2p.3980@lakeread08...

    Quoted message said:


    || "Bob M" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    || news:[email hidden]...
    ||| This kind, I'm not sure about. I had one set that I could not
    ||| separate. The other set, however, was fine.
    |||
    ||| Tumaro's Gormet Tortillas
    |||
    ||| "Low in Carbs"
    |||
    ||| No partially hydrogenated oils listed. Canola oil is listed.
    |||
    ||| Calories 100
    ||| fat 2.5 g
    ||| Carbs 13g
    ||| Fiber 8g
    ||| Protein 7g
    |||
    ||| To me, these don't taste as good as the other ones I posted (see a
    ||| week or so ago), but I don't trust the other ones -- they taste too
    ||| good to be true. These taste more fibrous and are fine from my
    ||| perspective. Plus, they're a bit smaller, so I tend not to add as
    ||| much stuff to them.
    |||
    ||| --
    ||| Bob M
    ||| remove ".x" to reply

    "JC Der Koenig" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]
    || No wonder you're still fat.

    Just how does eating something that is low-carb, low-fat and just 100
    calories supposed to make him fat?

    Peter
    --
    Now [censored]. You cannot possibly be this stupid and remember to
    breathe. You must be trolling. -- Carmen

  4. marengo said:


    || "Bob M" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    || news:[email hidden]...
    ||| This kind, I'm not sure about. I had one set that I could not
    ||| separate. The other set, however, was fine.
    |||
    ||| Tumaro's Gormet Tortillas
    |||
    ||| "Low in Carbs"
    |||
    ||| No partially hydrogenated oils listed. Canola oil is listed.
    |||
    ||| Calories 100
    ||| fat 2.5 g
    ||| Carbs 13g
    ||| Fiber 8g
    ||| Protein 7g
    |||
    ||| To me, these don't taste as good as the other ones I posted (see a
    ||| week or so ago), but I don't trust the other ones -- they taste too
    ||| good to be true. These taste more fibrous and are fine from my
    ||| perspective. Plus, they're a bit smaller, so I tend not to add as
    ||| much stuff to them.
    |||
    ||| --
    ||| Bob M
    ||| remove ".x" to reply

    "JC Der Koenig" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]
    || No wonder you're still fat.

    Just how does eating something that is low-carb, low-fat and just 100
    calories supposed to make him fat?

    Peter
    --
    Now [censored]. You cannot possibly be this stupid and remember to
    breathe. You must be trolling. -- Carmen

    You just have to ignore JC. He's an idiot.

    --
    Bob in CT

  5. As a percentage of calories, the effective carb count is 20% of calories.
    If you ate nothing but these tortillas and ate 2,000 calories per day,
    that would be 100g of effective carbs per day. That's still "low carb" in
    my book, although you'd be eating 160 grams of fiber per day. Since I eat
    at most two of these per day (when I eat them, which is only
    periodically), that's 200 calories and 10 effective grams of carbs per day.

    Let's face it, the more JC posts, the more we realize what an idiot he
    is. JC is merely here to inflame people. He was a bully as a child and
    never really outgrew 3rd grade. JC can't understand (even though he's
    fond of saying "eat less"😉 that one can eat within one's goals and still
    have a tortilla. You can still "eat less" AND eat a tortilla.

    FOB said:

    They aren't 13 carbs, they are 5. Just because a bomb calorimeter can
    burn
    fiber doesn't mean the human body can.

    In news:[email hidden],
    JC Der Koenig <[email hidden]> stated
    | 100 calories with 13 carbs is not low carb.
    |
    | Is this why you're not losing wieght anymore?
    |
    | --
    | You take stupid to a new level. -- MFW
    |
    |
    | "marengo" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    | news:01TPd.51033$2p.3980@lakeread08...
    ||
    |||| "Bob M" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    |||| news:[email hidden]...
    ||||| This kind, I'm not sure about. I had one set that I could not
    ||||| separate. The other set, however, was fine.
    |||||
    ||||| Tumaro's Gormet Tortillas
    |||||
    ||||| "Low in Carbs"
    |||||
    ||||| No partially hydrogenated oils listed. Canola oil is listed.
    |||||
    ||||| Calories 100
    ||||| fat 2.5 g
    ||||| Carbs 13g
    ||||| Fiber 8g
    ||||| Protein 7g
    |||||
    ||||| To me, these don't taste as good as the other ones I posted (see a
    ||||| week or so ago), but I don't trust the other ones -- they taste
    ||||| too good to be true. These taste more fibrous and are fine from
    ||||| my perspective. Plus, they're a bit smaller, so I tend not to
    ||||| add as much stuff to them.
    |||||
    ||||| --
    ||||| Bob M
    ||||| remove ".x" to reply
    ||
    || "JC Der Koenig" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    || news:[email hidden]
    |||| No wonder you're still fat.
    ||
    || Just how does eating something that is low-carb, low-fat and just 100
    || calories supposed to make him fat?
    ||
    || Peter
    || --
    || Now [censored]. You cannot possibly be this stupid and remember to
    || breathe. You must be trolling. -- Carmen

    --
    Bob in CT

  6. Those are about the same as the ones I eat (also with no transfats). I
    sometimes eat 4 per day, but still while holding calories to 1500 or so. It
    is definitely possible to lose weight with those in the diet. I can eat
    less and eat 4 tortillas. It's all a trade, though. LC is simply a tool to
    control appetite, BG, etc. As such, skillful use is important. I don't see
    why it needs to be a religion, however. Even JC knows that, though, for he
    goes LF on weekends.

    Oh....LC toritllas are manna from God.

    Bob M said:

    As a percentage of calories, the effective carb count is 20% of
    calories. If you ate nothing but these tortillas and ate 2,000
    calories per day, that would be 100g of effective carbs per day.
    That's still "low carb" in my book, although you'd be eating 160
    grams of fiber per day. Since I eat at most two of these per day
    (when I eat them, which is only periodically), that's 200 calories
    and 10 effective grams of carbs per day.

    Let's face it, the more JC posts, the more we realize what an idiot he
    is. JC is merely here to inflame people. He was a bully as a child
    and never really outgrew 3rd grade. JC can't understand (even though
    he's fond of saying "eat less"😉 that one can eat within one's goals
    and still have a tortilla. You can still "eat less" AND eat a
    tortilla.

    On Mon, 14 Feb 2005 16:36:32 GMT, FOB <[email hidden]>

    Quoted message said:

    They aren't 13 carbs, they are 5. Just because a bomb calorimeter
    can burn
    fiber doesn't mean the human body can.

    In news:[email hidden],
    JC Der Koenig <[email hidden]> stated
    | 100 calories with 13 carbs is not low carb.
    |
    | Is this why you're not losing wieght anymore?
    |
    | --
    | You take stupid to a new level. -- MFW
    |
    |
    | "marengo" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    | news:01TPd.51033$2p.3980@lakeread08...
    ||
    |||| "Bob M" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    |||| news:[email hidden]...
    ||||| This kind, I'm not sure about. I had one set that I could not
    ||||| separate. The other set, however, was fine.
    |||||
    ||||| Tumaro's Gormet Tortillas
    |||||
    ||||| "Low in Carbs"
    |||||
    ||||| No partially hydrogenated oils listed. Canola oil is listed.
    |||||
    ||||| Calories 100
    ||||| fat 2.5 g
    ||||| Carbs 13g
    ||||| Fiber 8g
    ||||| Protein 7g
    |||||
    ||||| To me, these don't taste as good as the other ones I posted
    ||||| (see a week or so ago), but I don't trust the other ones --
    ||||| they taste too good to be true. These taste more fibrous and
    ||||| are fine from my perspective. Plus, they're a bit smaller, so
    ||||| I tend not to
    ||||| add as much stuff to them.
    |||||
    ||||| --
    ||||| Bob M
    ||||| remove ".x" to reply
    ||
    || "JC Der Koenig" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    || news:[email hidden]
    |||| No wonder you're still fat.
    ||
    || Just how does eating something that is low-carb, low-fat and just
    || 100 calories supposed to make him fat?
    ||
    || Peter
    || --
    || Now [censored]. You cannot possibly be this stupid and remember to
    || breathe. You must be trolling. -- Carmen

  7. JC goes low fat on weekends and complains about things not being low
    carb? What a hypocrite! Actually, I think I have JC wrong -- he wasn't a
    bully in 3rd grade. Actually, he was bullied back then, so now he's
    trying to make up for it by being the bully.

    Everything in life is a trade off. Because I'm writing this note, I'm not
    doing something else. If I eat a tortilla, then I can't (assuming same
    calorie level) eat green beans (or whatever). The keys to low carb are to
    ignore minor intransgressions, figure out what your trigger foods are and
    avoid them as much as possible, eat more (preferably raw) vegetables, and
    become creative during cooking. For those who exercise, find a balance
    between carb intake and exercise so that you're still low carb but also
    have enough energy for workouts.

    By the way, it heated up to freezing this weekend, and I took 20 minutes
    off my ride time, which I think was due to not having a mask over my mouth.

    On Mon, 14 Feb 2005 12:23:13 -0500, Roger Zoul <[email hidden]>

    Quoted message said:

    Those are about the same as the ones I eat (also with no transfats). I
    sometimes eat 4 per day, but still while holding calories to 1500 or
    so. It
    is definitely possible to lose weight with those in the diet. I can eat
    less and eat 4 tortillas. It's all a trade, though. LC is simply a
    tool to
    control appetite, BG, etc. As such, skillful use is important. I don't
    see
    why it needs to be a religion, however. Even JC knows that, though, for
    he
    goes LF on weekends.

    Oh....LC toritllas are manna from God.

    Bob M said:

    As a percentage of calories, the effective carb count is 20% of
    calories. If you ate nothing but these tortillas and ate 2,000
    calories per day, that would be 100g of effective carbs per day.
    That's still "low carb" in my book, although you'd be eating 160
    grams of fiber per day. Since I eat at most two of these per day
    (when I eat them, which is only periodically), that's 200 calories
    and 10 effective grams of carbs per day.

    Let's face it, the more JC posts, the more we realize what an idiot he
    is. JC is merely here to inflame people. He was a bully as a child
    and never really outgrew 3rd grade. JC can't understand (even though
    he's fond of saying "eat less"😉 that one can eat within one's goals
    and still have a tortilla. You can still "eat less" AND eat a
    tortilla.

    On Mon, 14 Feb 2005 16:36:32 GMT, FOB <[email hidden]>

    Quoted message said:

    They aren't 13 carbs, they are 5. Just because a bomb calorimeter
    can burn
    fiber doesn't mean the human body can.

    In news:[email hidden],
    JC Der Koenig <[email hidden]> stated
    | 100 calories with 13 carbs is not low carb.
    |
    | Is this why you're not losing wieght anymore?
    |
    | --
    | You take stupid to a new level. -- MFW
    |
    |
    | "marengo" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    | news:01TPd.51033$2p.3980@lakeread08...
    ||
    |||| "Bob M" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    |||| news:[email hidden]...
    ||||| This kind, I'm not sure about. I had one set that I could not
    ||||| separate. The other set, however, was fine.
    |||||
    ||||| Tumaro's Gormet Tortillas
    |||||
    ||||| "Low in Carbs"
    |||||
    ||||| No partially hydrogenated oils listed. Canola oil is listed.
    |||||
    ||||| Calories 100
    ||||| fat 2.5 g
    ||||| Carbs 13g
    ||||| Fiber 8g
    ||||| Protein 7g
    |||||
    ||||| To me, these don't taste as good as the other ones I posted
    ||||| (see a week or so ago), but I don't trust the other ones --
    ||||| they taste too good to be true. These taste more fibrous and
    ||||| are fine from my perspective. Plus, they're a bit smaller, so
    ||||| I tend not to
    ||||| add as much stuff to them.
    |||||
    ||||| --
    ||||| Bob M
    ||||| remove ".x" to reply
    ||
    || "JC Der Koenig" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    || news:[email hidden]
    |||| No wonder you're still fat.
    ||
    || Just how does eating something that is low-carb, low-fat and just
    || 100 calories supposed to make him fat?
    ||
    || Peter
    || --
    || Now [censored]. You cannot possibly be this stupid and remember to
    || breathe. You must be trolling. -- Carmen

    --
    Bob in CT

  8. Bob M said:

    JC goes low fat on weekends and complains about things not being low
    carb?

    He does a CKD. Very common among bodybuilders. There are good reasons to
    do that....for certain people.

    Quoted message said:

    What a hypocrite! Actually, I think I have JC wrong -- he
    wasn't a bully in 3rd grade. Actually, he was bullied back then, so
    now he's trying to make up for it by being the bully.

    Well, in fairness, his comments weren't directed to folks doing a CKD.

    Quoted message said:


    Everything in life is a trade off. Because I'm writing this note,
    I'm not doing something else. If I eat a tortilla, then I can't
    (assuming same calorie level) eat green beans (or whatever). The
    keys to low carb are to ignore minor intransgressions, figure out
    what your trigger foods are and avoid them as much as possible, eat
    more (preferably raw) vegetables, and become creative during cooking.
    For those who exercise, find a balance between carb intake and
    exercise so that you're still low carb but also have enough energy
    for workouts.

    By the way, it heated up to freezing this weekend, and I took 20
    minutes off my ride time, which I think was due to not having a mask
    over my mouth.

    I'm impressed that you ride at all, honestly. I decided to just do more gym
    work - both cardio and lifting.
    However, hopefully, I'll be able to get some riding in soon.

    Quoted message said:


    Roger Zoul said:

    Those are about the same as the ones I eat (also with no transfats).
    I sometimes eat 4 per day, but still while holding calories to 1500
    or
    so. It
    is definitely possible to lose weight with those in the diet. I can
    eat less and eat 4 tortillas. It's all a trade, though. LC is
    simply a tool to
    control appetite, BG, etc. As such, skillful use is important. I
    don't see
    why it needs to be a religion, however. Even JC knows that, though,
    for he
    goes LF on weekends.

    Oh....LC toritllas are manna from God.

    Bob M said:

    As a percentage of calories, the effective carb count is 20% of
    calories. If you ate nothing but these tortillas and ate 2,000
    calories per day, that would be 100g of effective carbs per day.
    That's still "low carb" in my book, although you'd be eating 160
    grams of fiber per day. Since I eat at most two of these per day
    (when I eat them, which is only periodically), that's 200 calories
    and 10 effective grams of carbs per day.

    Let's face it, the more JC posts, the more we realize what an idiot
    he is. JC is merely here to inflame people. He was a bully as a
    child and never really outgrew 3rd grade. JC can't understand
    (even though he's fond of saying "eat less"😉 that one can eat
    within one's goals
    and still have a tortilla. You can still "eat less" AND eat a
    tortilla.

    On Mon, 14 Feb 2005 16:36:32 GMT, FOB <[email hidden]>
    wrote:

    > They aren't 13 carbs, they are 5. Just because a bomb calorimeter
    > can burn
    > fiber doesn't mean the human body can.
    >
    > In news:[email hidden],
    > JC Der Koenig <[email hidden]> stated
    > | 100 calories with 13 carbs is not low carb.
    > |
    > | Is this why you're not losing wieght anymore?
    > |
    > | --
    > | You take stupid to a new level. -- MFW
    > |
    > |
    > | "marengo" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    > | news:01TPd.51033$2p.3980@lakeread08...
    > ||
    > |||| "Bob M" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    > |||| news:[email hidden]...
    > ||||| This kind, I'm not sure about. I had one set that I could
    > ||||| not separate. The other set, however, was fine.
    > |||||
    > ||||| Tumaro's Gormet Tortillas
    > |||||
    > ||||| "Low in Carbs"
    > |||||
    > ||||| No partially hydrogenated oils listed. Canola oil is listed.
    > |||||
    > ||||| Calories 100
    > ||||| fat 2.5 g
    > ||||| Carbs 13g
    > ||||| Fiber 8g
    > ||||| Protein 7g
    > |||||
    > ||||| To me, these don't taste as good as the other ones I posted
    > ||||| (see a week or so ago), but I don't trust the other ones --
    > ||||| they taste too good to be true. These taste more fibrous and
    > ||||| are fine from my perspective. Plus, they're a bit smaller,
    > ||||| so
    > ||||| I tend not to
    > ||||| add as much stuff to them.
    > |||||
    > ||||| --
    > ||||| Bob M
    > ||||| remove ".x" to reply
    > ||
    > || "JC Der Koenig" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    > || news:[email hidden]
    > |||| No wonder you're still fat.
    > ||
    > || Just how does eating something that is low-carb, low-fat and
    > || just 100 calories supposed to make him fat?
    > ||
    > || Peter
    > || --
    > || Now [censored]. You cannot possibly be this stupid and remember
    > || to breathe. You must be trolling. -- Carmen

  9. On Mon, 14 Feb 2005 13:21:17 -0500, Roger Zoul <[email hidden]>

    Quoted message said:
    Bob M said:

    JC goes low fat on weekends and complains about things not being low
    carb?

    He does a CKD. Very common among bodybuilders. There are good reasons
    to
    do that....for certain people.

    Perhaps the CKD (and steriods, likely) is affecting his judgement?

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    What a hypocrite! Actually, I think I have JC wrong -- he
    wasn't a bully in 3rd grade. Actually, he was bullied back then, so
    now he's trying to make up for it by being the bully.

    Well, in fairness, his comments weren't directed to folks doing a CKD.

    How does he know what we're doing? I do a version of CKD when in
    training, although I don't find that a CKD is entirely necessary. I tend
    more to the TKD instead, although I also don't think that ketosis is
    necessary. And, I'm only working out 4 days a week now, so I really don't
    need either of these.

    Let's face it, JC is a buttwipe. There's no reason to call people names,
    and basically every thread by him denigrates into that sooner or later.
    If he feels that we're all too fat and he's God's gift to bodybuilders,
    let him hang out at MFW for good.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:


    Everything in life is a trade off. Because I'm writing this note,
    I'm not doing something else. If I eat a tortilla, then I can't
    (assuming same calorie level) eat green beans (or whatever). The
    keys to low carb are to ignore minor intransgressions, figure out
    what your trigger foods are and avoid them as much as possible, eat
    more (preferably raw) vegetables, and become creative during cooking.
    For those who exercise, find a balance between carb intake and
    exercise so that you're still low carb but also have enough energy
    for workouts.

    By the way, it heated up to freezing this weekend, and I took 20
    minutes off my ride time, which I think was due to not having a mask
    over my mouth.

    I'm impressed that you ride at all, honestly. I decided to just do more
    gym
    work - both cardio and lifting.
    However, hopefully, I'll be able to get some riding in soon.

    The hardest part about biking in winter is buying the damn fancy clothes.
    They're expensive (especially GoreTex). I'm sure you'll get your riding
    in soon. The bad news from my perspective is that my biceps tendinitis
    (supposedly the prognosis, though I doubt this -- which I got trying to
    rehabilitate my partially torn rototor cuff muscle, sadly) isn't any
    better. When I did incline bench presses this past workout, I felt the
    exercise entirely in my right shoulder. That's too bad, as I'm a much
    better bodybuilder than a bike rider. I'm genetically gifted -- in terms
    of gaining muscle mass -- for bodybuilding, but I suck at biking.

    --
    Bob in CT

  10. "Bob M" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    As a percentage of calories, the effective carb count is 20% of calories.
    If you ate nothing but these tortillas and ate 2,000 calories per day,
    that would be 100g of effective carbs per day. That's still "low carb" in
    my book, although you'd be eating 160 grams of fiber per day. Since I eat

    I have to wonder what 160g of fiber would do to you, the most I've ever had
    is like 54g.

    --
    No Husband Has Ever Been Shot While Doing The Dishes

  11. Bob M said:
    Roger Zoul said:
    Bob M said:

    JC goes low fat on weekends and complains about things not being low
    carb?

    He does a CKD. Very common among bodybuilders. There are good
    reasons to
    do that....for certain people.

    Perhaps the CKD (and steriods, likely) is affecting his judgement?

    Can't comment on that....his judgement is just that, his...

    Quoted message said:


    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    What a hypocrite! Actually, I think I have JC wrong -- he
    wasn't a bully in 3rd grade. Actually, he was bullied back then, so
    now he's trying to make up for it by being the bully.

    Well, in fairness, his comments weren't directed to folks doing a
    CKD.

    How does he know what we're doing?

    Don't ask me. But some people do have denial issues. Others don't.

    Quoted message said:

    I do a version of CKD when in
    training, although I don't find that a CKD is entirely necessary. I
    tend more to the TKD instead, although I also don't think that
    ketosis is necessary. And, I'm only working out 4 days a week now,
    so I really don't need either of these.

    One can also just up the carb level to a place where exercise can be
    maintained. But some also find it easy to be minimal during the week (ie,
    diet hard) and relax on the weekends (eat more normally). Both approaches
    can work but only if executed faithfully. Some people tend to have
    personalities for being hard core, others don't. I sort of like being hard
    core, though.

    Quoted message said:


    Let's face it, JC is a buttwipe. There's no reason to call people
    names, and basically every thread by him denigrates into that sooner
    or later. If he feels that we're all too fat and he's God's gift to
    bodybuilders, let him hang out at MFW for good.

    I'm not sure if he claims to be a bodybuilder...

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:


    Everything in life is a trade off. Because I'm writing this note,
    I'm not doing something else. If I eat a tortilla, then I can't
    (assuming same calorie level) eat green beans (or whatever). The
    keys to low carb are to ignore minor intransgressions, figure out
    what your trigger foods are and avoid them as much as possible, eat
    more (preferably raw) vegetables, and become creative during
    cooking. For those who exercise, find a balance between carb intake
    and exercise so that you're still low carb but also have enough
    energy
    for workouts.

    By the way, it heated up to freezing this weekend, and I took 20
    minutes off my ride time, which I think was due to not having a mask
    over my mouth.

    I'm impressed that you ride at all, honestly. I decided to just do
    more gym
    work - both cardio and lifting.
    However, hopefully, I'll be able to get some riding in soon.

    The hardest part about biking in winter is buying the damn fancy
    clothes. They're expensive (especially GoreTex). I'm sure you'll get
    your riding in soon. The bad news from my perspective is that my
    biceps tendinitis (supposedly the prognosis, though I doubt this --
    which I got trying to rehabilitate my partially torn rototor cuff
    muscle, sadly) isn't any better. When I did incline bench presses
    this past workout, I felt the exercise entirely in my right shoulder.
    That's too bad, as I'm a much better bodybuilder than a bike rider.
    I'm genetically gifted -- in terms of gaining muscle mass -- for
    bodybuilding, but I suck at biking.

    Hmm...I bike because I enjoy it...so who cares about sucking at it? Yeah,
    I'd like to be faster...so I want to lose some more partly because of
    that...if you can get down to SC this summer, we can do a charity ride
    together. I think it would be cool for the asdlc folks to ride together.

    I've been having some problems with my right knee lately. It seems to have
    started when doing the leg press in the gym...with really light weight, too.
    As an example, I was at a concert late night and it just started
    hurting...but once I stand up it quits. I was hurting again at dinner. By
    the time I got into bed it quit. It hasn't been a problem all day, today.
    But I don't really know what the deal is with it. I've been trying to ice it
    down once it starts up. It doesn't really seem to be the knee itself,
    though, but around there muscles and things connect into the knee. I'm
    going to see a doctor about it soon, too.

    You should be happy to be genetically gifted for being a bodybuilder. I'd
    love to be able to claim that! Maybe you should go for 10% bf like JC
    suggests! 🙂

  12. where do you live that it only WARMED up to freezing? hehe.. that is if you
    want to say.

    --
    _____________________________
    This be Tia's SIG!!! YAY!

    "Bob M" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    On Mon, 14 Feb 2005 13:21:17 -0500, Roger Zoul <[email hidden]>

    Quoted message said:
    Bob M said:

    JC goes low fat on weekends and complains about things not being low
    carb?

    He does a CKD. Very common among bodybuilders. There are good reasons
    to
    do that....for certain people.

    Perhaps the CKD (and steriods, likely) is affecting his judgement?

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    What a hypocrite! Actually, I think I have JC wrong -- he
    wasn't a bully in 3rd grade. Actually, he was bullied back then, so
    now he's trying to make up for it by being the bully.

    Well, in fairness, his comments weren't directed to folks doing a CKD.

    How does he know what we're doing? I do a version of CKD when in
    training, although I don't find that a CKD is entirely necessary. I tend
    more to the TKD instead, although I also don't think that ketosis is
    necessary. And, I'm only working out 4 days a week now, so I really don't
    need either of these.

    Let's face it, JC is a buttwipe. There's no reason to call people names,
    and basically every thread by him denigrates into that sooner or later.
    If he feels that we're all too fat and he's God's gift to bodybuilders,
    let him hang out at MFW for good.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:


    Everything in life is a trade off. Because I'm writing this note,
    I'm not doing something else. If I eat a tortilla, then I can't
    (assuming same calorie level) eat green beans (or whatever). The
    keys to low carb are to ignore minor intransgressions, figure out
    what your trigger foods are and avoid them as much as possible, eat
    more (preferably raw) vegetables, and become creative during cooking.
    For those who exercise, find a balance between carb intake and
    exercise so that you're still low carb but also have enough energy
    for workouts.

    By the way, it heated up to freezing this weekend, and I took 20
    minutes off my ride time, which I think was due to not having a mask
    over my mouth.

    I'm impressed that you ride at all, honestly. I decided to just do more
    gym
    work - both cardio and lifting.
    However, hopefully, I'll be able to get some riding in soon.

    The hardest part about biking in winter is buying the damn fancy clothes.
    They're expensive (especially GoreTex). I'm sure you'll get your riding
    in soon. The bad news from my perspective is that my biceps tendinitis
    (supposedly the prognosis, though I doubt this -- which I got trying to
    rehabilitate my partially torn rototor cuff muscle, sadly) isn't any
    better. When I did incline bench presses this past workout, I felt the
    exercise entirely in my right shoulder. That's too bad, as I'm a much
    better bodybuilder than a bike rider. I'm genetically gifted -- in terms
    of gaining muscle mass -- for bodybuilding, but I suck at biking.

    --
    Bob in CT

  13. None Given said:

    "Bob M" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    As a percentage of calories, the effective carb count is 20% of
    calories. If you ate nothing but these tortillas and ate 2,000
    calories per day, that would be 100g of effective carbs per day.
    That's still "low carb" in my book, although you'd be eating 160
    grams of fiber per day. Since I eat

    I have to wonder what 160g of fiber would do to you, the most I've
    ever had is like 54g.

    if you don't get in enough liquid...think hard, like a rock. think pain,
    too.

  14. On Mon, 14 Feb 2005 13:30:55 -0500 in alt.support.diet.low-carb, "Bob M" <[email hidden]> wrote,

    Quoted message said:

    Let's face it, JC is a buttwipe. There's no reason to call people names,

    Exactly what is calling someone a "buttwipe" then?

  15. That's why you're still so fat.

    --
    Most people are dumb as bricks; some people are dumber than that. -- MFW

    "Bob M" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    marengo said:


    || "Bob M" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    || news:[email hidden]...
    ||| This kind, I'm not sure about. I had one set that I could not
    ||| separate. The other set, however, was fine.
    |||
    ||| Tumaro's Gormet Tortillas
    |||
    ||| "Low in Carbs"
    |||
    ||| No partially hydrogenated oils listed. Canola oil is listed.
    |||
    ||| Calories 100
    ||| fat 2.5 g
    ||| Carbs 13g
    ||| Fiber 8g
    ||| Protein 7g
    |||
    ||| To me, these don't taste as good as the other ones I posted (see a
    ||| week or so ago), but I don't trust the other ones -- they taste too
    ||| good to be true. These taste more fibrous and are fine from my
    ||| perspective. Plus, they're a bit smaller, so I tend not to add as
    ||| much stuff to them.
    |||
    ||| --
    ||| Bob M
    ||| remove ".x" to reply

    "JC Der Koenig" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]
    || No wonder you're still fat.

    Just how does eating something that is low-carb, low-fat and just 100
    calories supposed to make him fat?

    Peter
    --
    Now [censored]. You cannot possibly be this stupid and remember to
    breathe. You must be trolling. -- Carmen

    You just have to ignore JC. He's an idiot.

    --
    Bob in CT

  16. That's why you're still so fat.

    --
    Most people are dumb as bricks; some people are dumber than that. -- MFW

    "FOB" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    They aren't 13 carbs, they are 5. Just because a bomb calorimeter can
    burn
    fiber doesn't mean the human body can.

    In news:[email hidden],
    JC Der Koenig <[email hidden]> stated
    | 100 calories with 13 carbs is not low carb.
    |
    | Is this why you're not losing wieght anymore?
    |
    | --
    | You take stupid to a new level. -- MFW
    |
    |
    | "marengo" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    | news:01TPd.51033$2p.3980@lakeread08...
    ||
    |||| "Bob M" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    |||| news:[email hidden]...
    ||||| This kind, I'm not sure about. I had one set that I could not
    ||||| separate. The other set, however, was fine.
    |||||
    ||||| Tumaro's Gormet Tortillas
    |||||
    ||||| "Low in Carbs"
    |||||
    ||||| No partially hydrogenated oils listed. Canola oil is listed.
    |||||
    ||||| Calories 100
    ||||| fat 2.5 g
    ||||| Carbs 13g
    ||||| Fiber 8g
    ||||| Protein 7g
    |||||
    ||||| To me, these don't taste as good as the other ones I posted (see a
    ||||| week or so ago), but I don't trust the other ones -- they taste
    ||||| too good to be true. These taste more fibrous and are fine from
    ||||| my perspective. Plus, they're a bit smaller, so I tend not to
    ||||| add as much stuff to them.
    |||||
    ||||| --
    ||||| Bob M
    ||||| remove ".x" to reply
    ||
    || "JC Der Koenig" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    || news:[email hidden]
    |||| No wonder you're still fat.
    ||
    || Just how does eating something that is low-carb, low-fat and just 100
    || calories supposed to make him fat?
    ||
    || Peter
    || --
    || Now [censored]. You cannot possibly be this stupid and remember to
    || breathe. You must be trolling. -- Carmen

  17. That's why you're still so fat.

    --
    Most people are dumb as bricks; some people are dumber than that. -- MFW

    "Bob M" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    As a percentage of calories, the effective carb count is 20% of calories.
    If you ate nothing but these tortillas and ate 2,000 calories per day,
    that would be 100g of effective carbs per day. That's still "low carb" in
    my book, although you'd be eating 160 grams of fiber per day. Since I eat
    at most two of these per day (when I eat them, which is only
    periodically), that's 200 calories and 10 effective grams of carbs per
    day.

    Let's face it, the more JC posts, the more we realize what an idiot he
    is. JC is merely here to inflame people. He was a bully as a child and
    never really outgrew 3rd grade. JC can't understand (even though he's
    fond of saying "eat less"😉 that one can eat within one's goals and still
    have a tortilla. You can still "eat less" AND eat a tortilla.

    FOB said:

    They aren't 13 carbs, they are 5. Just because a bomb calorimeter can
    burn
    fiber doesn't mean the human body can.

    In news:[email hidden],
    JC Der Koenig <[email hidden]> stated
    | 100 calories with 13 carbs is not low carb.
    |
    | Is this why you're not losing wieght anymore?
    |
    | --
    | You take stupid to a new level. -- MFW
    |
    |
    | "marengo" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    | news:01TPd.51033$2p.3980@lakeread08...
    ||
    |||| "Bob M" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    |||| news:[email hidden]...
    ||||| This kind, I'm not sure about. I had one set that I could not
    ||||| separate. The other set, however, was fine.
    |||||
    ||||| Tumaro's Gormet Tortillas
    |||||
    ||||| "Low in Carbs"
    |||||
    ||||| No partially hydrogenated oils listed. Canola oil is listed.
    |||||
    ||||| Calories 100
    ||||| fat 2.5 g
    ||||| Carbs 13g
    ||||| Fiber 8g
    ||||| Protein 7g
    |||||
    ||||| To me, these don't taste as good as the other ones I posted (see a
    ||||| week or so ago), but I don't trust the other ones -- they taste
    ||||| too good to be true. These taste more fibrous and are fine from
    ||||| my perspective. Plus, they're a bit smaller, so I tend not to
    ||||| add as much stuff to them.
    |||||
    ||||| --
    ||||| Bob M
    ||||| remove ".x" to reply
    ||
    || "JC Der Koenig" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    || news:[email hidden]
    |||| No wonder you're still fat.
    ||
    || Just how does eating something that is low-carb, low-fat and just 100
    || calories supposed to make him fat?
    ||
    || Peter
    || --
    || Now [censored]. You cannot possibly be this stupid and remember to
    || breathe. You must be trolling. -- Carmen

    --
    Bob in CT

  18. You don't do a CKD or TKD, fatboy.

    --
    Most people are dumb as bricks; some people are dumber than that. -- MFW

    "Bob M" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    On Mon, 14 Feb 2005 13:21:17 -0500, Roger Zoul <[email hidden]>

    Quoted message said:
    Bob M said:

    JC goes low fat on weekends and complains about things not being low
    carb?

    He does a CKD. Very common among bodybuilders. There are good reasons
    to
    do that....for certain people.

    Perhaps the CKD (and steriods, likely) is affecting his judgement?

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    What a hypocrite! Actually, I think I have JC wrong -- he
    wasn't a bully in 3rd grade. Actually, he was bullied back then, so
    now he's trying to make up for it by being the bully.

    Well, in fairness, his comments weren't directed to folks doing a CKD.

    How does he know what we're doing? I do a version of CKD when in
    training, although I don't find that a CKD is entirely necessary. I tend
    more to the TKD instead, although I also don't think that ketosis is
    necessary. And, I'm only working out 4 days a week now, so I really don't
    need either of these.

    Let's face it, JC is a buttwipe. There's no reason to call people names,
    and basically every thread by him denigrates into that sooner or later.
    If he feels that we're all too fat and he's God's gift to bodybuilders,
    let him hang out at MFW for good.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:


    Everything in life is a trade off. Because I'm writing this note,
    I'm not doing something else. If I eat a tortilla, then I can't
    (assuming same calorie level) eat green beans (or whatever). The
    keys to low carb are to ignore minor intransgressions, figure out
    what your trigger foods are and avoid them as much as possible, eat
    more (preferably raw) vegetables, and become creative during cooking.
    For those who exercise, find a balance between carb intake and
    exercise so that you're still low carb but also have enough energy
    for workouts.

    By the way, it heated up to freezing this weekend, and I took 20
    minutes off my ride time, which I think was due to not having a mask
    over my mouth.

    I'm impressed that you ride at all, honestly. I decided to just do more
    gym
    work - both cardio and lifting.
    However, hopefully, I'll be able to get some riding in soon.

    The hardest part about biking in winter is buying the damn fancy clothes.
    They're expensive (especially GoreTex). I'm sure you'll get your riding
    in soon. The bad news from my perspective is that my biceps tendinitis
    (supposedly the prognosis, though I doubt this -- which I got trying to
    rehabilitate my partially torn rototor cuff muscle, sadly) isn't any
    better. When I did incline bench presses this past workout, I felt the
    exercise entirely in my right shoulder. That's too bad, as I'm a much
    better bodybuilder than a bike rider. I'm genetically gifted -- in terms
    of gaining muscle mass -- for bodybuilding, but I suck at biking.

    --
    Bob in CT

  19. "David Harmon" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]
    || On Mon, 14 Feb 2005 13:30:55 -0500 in alt.support.diet.low-carb,
    || "Bob M" <[email hidden]> wrote,
    ||
    ||| Let's face it, JC is a buttwipe. There's no reason to call people
    ||| names,
    ||
    || Exactly what is calling someone a "buttwipe" then?

    an apt description?

    --
    Peter
    website: http://users.thelink.net/marengo

  20. Still stalled, frenchy?

    --
    Now [censored]. You cannot possibly be this stupid and remember to
    breathe. You must be trolling. -- Carmen

    "marengo" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:1vdQd.21242$DG5.8165@lakeread07...

    Quoted message said:

    "David Harmon" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]
    || On Mon, 14 Feb 2005 13:30:55 -0500 in alt.support.diet.low-carb,
    || "Bob M" <[email hidden]> wrote,
    ||
    ||| Let's face it, JC is a buttwipe. There's no reason to call people
    ||| names,
    ||
    || Exactly what is calling someone a "buttwipe" then?

    an apt description?

    --
    Peter
    website: http://users.thelink.net/marengo

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