More SFGP Pictures

In article <[email hidden]>,

Richard Adams said:

Here's some of what I snapped with my POS digital. I've still got
plenty to add to it, but it's pretty late and I've had a long day which
started with leaving SF early this morning, in short I'm beat. Enjoy.

http://www.dragonswest.com/SFTmI2004/SFTmI2004.html

You got some good ones. Giving rider numbers is a nice touch, too.

I suppose if I'd known where you were gonna be, I'd have stopped by for
a chat. Next year!

--
tanx,
Howard

"Nationalism is an infantile disease. It is the measles of mankind."
Albert Einstein

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Richard Adams said:

Here's some of what I snapped with my POS digital. I've still got
plenty to add to it, but it's pretty late and I've had a long day which
started with leaving SF early this morning, in short I'm beat. Enjoy.

http://www.dragonswest.com/SFTmI2004/SFTmI2004.html

Nice. Thanks.

Howard Kveck said:

In article <[email hidden]>,

Richard Adams said:

Here's some of what I snapped with my POS digital. I've still got
plenty to add to it, but it's pretty late and I've had a long day which
started with leaving SF early this morning, in short I'm beat. Enjoy.

http://www.dragonswest.com/SFTmI2004/SFTmI2004.html

You got some good ones. Giving rider numbers is a nice touch, too.

I suppose if I'd known where you were gonna be, I'd have stopped by for
a chat. Next year!

Problem with being a race marshal, you never know where you'll be. 1st
year was a good spot, 2nd poor (for photos anyway), 3rd was also poor
for photos, this year was pretty good. Probably be another tough spot
next year ;-)

On 14 Sep 2004 09:48:12 EDT, Richard Adams <[email hidden]>

Quoted message said:

Problem with being a race marshal, you never know where you'll be. 1st
year was a good spot, 2nd poor (for photos anyway), 3rd was also poor
for photos, this year was pretty good.

How can you take photos when marshalling? In my club we specific
instruct marshals not to read, talk on the phone or take photos when
doing their job.

JT

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John Forrest Tomlinson said:

On 14 Sep 2004 09:48:12 EDT, Richard Adams <[email hidden]>

Quoted message said:

Problem with being a race marshal, you never know where you'll be. 1st
year was a good spot, 2nd poor (for photos anyway), 3rd was also poor
for photos, this year was pretty good.

How can you take photos when marshalling? In my club we specific
instruct marshals not to read, talk on the phone or take photos when
doing their job.

JT

A lot of marshals there don't pay as much attention to their job as they should....

There's time for a few photos, but I've seen marshals even get in the way
of the professional photographers to get that magic shot with their
cheap digital.

The situation is helped by the barriers, which are generally affective at
keeping the crowd controlled, and around 600 SFPD on overtime. Problem is,
a lot of the SFPD aren't paying attention, either.

Dan

Richard Adams <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

Quoted message said:

Here's some of what I snapped with my POS digital. I've still got
plenty to add to it, but it's pretty late and I've had a long day which
started with leaving SF early this morning, in short I'm beat. Enjoy.

http://www.dragonswest.com/SFTmI2004/SFTmI2004.html

It was not a parrot. That would be silly. It was an inflatable
saxophone, of course. Sheeesh.

Sabine

Dan Connelly <d_j_c_o_n_n_e_l@i_e_e_e.o_r_g> wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

Quoted message said:

John Forrest Tomlinson said:

On 14 Sep 2004 09:48:12 EDT, Richard Adams <[email hidden]>

Quoted message said:

Problem with being a race marshal, you never know where you'll be. 1st
year was a good spot, 2nd poor (for photos anyway), 3rd was also poor
for photos, this year was pretty good.

How can you take photos when marshalling? In my club we specific
instruct marshals not to read, talk on the phone or take photos when
doing their job.

JT

A lot of marshals there don't pay as much attention to their job as they should....

There's time for a few photos, but I've seen marshals even get in the way
of the professional photographers to get that magic shot with their
cheap digital.

The situation is helped by the barriers, which are generally affective at
keeping the crowd controlled, and around 600 SFPD on overtime. Problem is,
a lot of the SFPD aren't paying attention, either.

Dan

Large reason most of my shots are pretty poor is because I was
constantly on the lookout for suicidal fans and those crazed little
old ladies who wait until they see something coming their way to dart
across the road (at about 5 mph.) Once wasn't enough for one of these
gals, she crossed the street a second time and I thought the officer
who grabbed her was going to fling her over the barricade.

For the most part things went pretty good, but you can't do much about
those idiots on bikes who slip onto the course in the long gaps
between marshals and police.

Probably most frightening was the people crossing the street on
Columbus around the turn from Union, which is effectively a blind turn
for race traffic. If my whistle could be sore, it would have been.
Every time a rider or vehicle was coming down the road I'd sound off,
but getting people to listen is another thing.

For those who think race marshals don't do a good job, you should
consider how few we were. I think about half of what were needed
appeared. Many who did, in my area, stuck around through the race,
but I've seen many get their shirt and chuck the race an hour after
the ladies race began. I really wish more people would volunteer for
these positions as if there would be a reason for cancelling the race,
inadequate staff is high on the list.

Quoted message said:

From: [email hidden] (Richard Adams)

Quoted message said:

For those who think race marshals don't do a good job, you should
consider how few we were. I think about half of what were needed
appeared. Many who did, in my area, stuck around through the race,
but I've seen many get their shirt and chuck the race an hour after
the ladies race began. I really wish more people would volunteer for
these positions as if there would be a reason for cancelling the race,
inadequate staff is high on the list.

It blows my mind that racer's who aren't in that race wouldn't volunteer to
Marshal. It's just natural to me that they'd want to be part of the race and
have a great spot to watch it go by. Then again I was shocked and disgusted by
the lack of people who actually showed up for this spring's Nebra meeting. The
meeting was held in conjunction with the officials clinic, was easily
accessible from most of NE and was to discuss the upcoming season. We got the
state rep's and a couple of club rep's and not much else. It's kind of like my
attitude towards politics, If you don't vote shut the [censored] up!
Bill C

Quoted message said:

From: [email hidden] (Richard Adams)

Quoted message said:

For those who think race marshals don't do a good job, you should
consider how few we were. I think about half of what were needed
appeared. Many who did, in my area, stuck around through the race,
but I've seen many get their shirt and chuck the race an hour after
the ladies race began. I really wish more people would volunteer for
these positions as if there would be a reason for cancelling the race,
inadequate staff is high on the list.

It blows my mind that racer's who aren't in that race wouldn't volunteer to
Marshal. It's just natural to me that they'd want to be part of the race and
have a great spot to watch it go by. Then again I was shocked and disgusted by
the lack of people who actually showed up for this spring's Nebra meeting. The
meeting was held in conjunction with the officials clinic, was easily
accessible from most of NE and was to discuss the upcoming season. We got the
state rep's and a couple of club rep's and not much else. It's kind of like my
attitude towards politics, If you don't vote shut the [censored] up!
Bill C

TritonRider said:

It blows my mind that racer's who aren't in that race wouldn't volunteer to
Marshal. It's just natural to me that they'd want to be part of the race and
have a great spot to watch it go by.

I worked on Filmore in 2002, and did the KOM scorekeeping for Webcor (who sponsored
it then) in 2003. This year, w/ Team Webcor so prominent, I wanted the freedom
to see the action on the climbs, so after offering any help Webcor needed, I decided
against volunteering for marshaling duty, as I could well have been assigned to an
uninteresting course location. In 2001 I was in Athens GR at a conference, and missed
it.

Next year I'll go back to being a course marshal, if other duties (like the KOM
last year) don't occur. But for 2004, it was great being able to see a lot of
the key action.

WRT my comment about course marshals neglecting duty -- I was specifically talking
about having observed marshals being more interested in taking photos than in getting
out of the way of spectators and professional photographers. Or, other indications
they were there for the "front row" seats w/o concern for the associated responsibility.
But there's a lot of good marshals, too. As I noted, even when I marshaled,
I had my camera, so I don't claim taking photos implies one is goofing off.

Dan

Quoted message said:

From: Dan Connelly d_j_c_o_n_n_e_l@i_e_e_e.o_r_g

Quoted message said:

But there's a lot of good marshals, too. As I noted, even when I marshaled,
I had my camera, so I don't claim taking photos implies one is goofing off.

Dan

Dan I agree.
Just making sure the crowd knows the field is coming, making sure noone is in
the road, and hoping nobody goes brain dead and comes out will let you take
photos and do the job well. If someone doesn't want to work every year they
could alternate. You really need to work at least one to begin to get a feel of
just how much hard work, and how many really late nights, and early mornings go
into making an event.
My hat's off to the Promoters and Chief Ref's of the big successful races the
level of work involved is off of most people's scales.
Bill C
Bill C

Dan Connelly said:

TritonRider said:

It blows my mind that racer's who aren't in that race wouldn't
volunteer to
Marshal. It's just natural to me that they'd want to be part of the
race and
have a great spot to watch it go by.

I worked on Filmore in 2002, and did the KOM scorekeeping for Webcor
(who sponsored
it then) in 2003. This year, w/ Team Webcor so prominent, I wanted the
freedom
to see the action on the climbs, so after offering any help Webcor
needed, I decided
against volunteering for marshaling duty, as I could well have been
assigned to an
uninteresting course location. In 2001 I was in Athens GR at a
conference, and missed
it.

Next year I'll go back to being a course marshal, if other duties (like
the KOM
last year) don't occur. But for 2004, it was great being able to see a
lot of
the key action.

WRT my comment about course marshals neglecting duty -- I was
specifically talking
about having observed marshals being more interested in taking photos
than in getting
out of the way of spectators and professional photographers. Or, other
indications
they were there for the "front row" seats w/o concern for the associated
responsibility.
But there's a lot of good marshals, too. As I noted, even when I
marshaled,
I had my camera, so I don't claim taking photos implies one is goofing off.

Dan

Dan, I had a good 'corner' view, which worried me a bit that a car or
rider might plow into me. It was what I needed for a clear view of both
streets, as I was the only experienced marshal at the intersection (I
had to coach everyone else one what to do, despite everyone being
emailed guides and such) I was pretty stiff after the race from
crouching, like a catcher, so the crowd and photographers could see over
me, I wasn't there to block their view. When time could be afforded I
handed out some of the extra course maps and explained the race and
tactics and so on to people. I was constantly asked what lap it was and
lost track pretty early on, both races. I snapped pics when I could and
only when I was already certain everyone had their feet out of the
street, were behind the police tape or barricades and the road was clear
for racers 8-)

sabine said:

Richard Adams <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

Quoted message said:

Here's some of what I snapped with my POS digital. I've still got
plenty to add to it, but it's pretty late and I've had a long day which
started with leaving SF early this morning, in short I'm beat. Enjoy.

http://www.dragonswest.com/SFTmI2004/SFTmI2004.html

It was not a parrot. That would be silly. It was an inflatable
saxophone, of course. Sheeesh.

Sabine

Sorry, couldn't really tell, the car shot past so fast.

BTW, after the race I got another one of those cool Louis Garneau key
rings. Were you there and able to secure one? ;-)

Saw the girls with the big hair heading up to Taylor street early, why
no fuzzy hats?

In article <[email hidden]>,

(sabine) said:

Richard Adams <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:<[email hidden]>...

Quoted message said:

Here's some of what I snapped with my POS digital. I've still got
plenty to add to it, but it's pretty late and I've had a long day which
started with leaving SF early this morning, in short I'm beat. Enjoy.

http://www.dragonswest.com/SFTmI2004/SFTmI2004.html

It was not a parrot. That would be silly. It was an inflatable
saxophone, of course. Sheeesh.

Sabine

Because an inflatable saxaphone is, um, not silly. Of course (heh). Your
car did look good. I did see a group of your people up on the last pitch of
Taylor (right side) - were you there during the women's race, or later (or
ever...)?

--
tanx,
Howard

"Nationalism is an infantile disease. It is the measles of mankind."
Albert Einstein

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Richard Adams <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Sorry, couldn't really tell, the car shot past so fast.

BTW, after the race I got another one of those cool Louis Garneau key
rings. Were you there and able to secure one? ;-)

Saw the girls with the big hair heading up to Taylor street early, why
no fuzzy hats?

I did not secure a key ring. The expo area was mad. It was all I could
to do force myself in there to do the requisite schmoozing.

Jen got to wear the fuzzy hat. She earned it. Besides, fuzzy hats are
so last year.

Sabine

Howard Kveck <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...>

Quoted message said:

Because an inflatable saxaphone is, um, not silly. Of course (heh). Your
car did look good. I did see a group of your people up on the last pitch of
Taylor (right side) - were you there during the women's race, or later (or
ever...)?

Exactly.

My people. Thats funny.

I was at the start/finish and in the car during the race. Did you see
the sandwich handoff? The wife of our driver was on Taylor Street and
was hungry. So she called her husband and asked him to bring her a
sandwich. So, on one of the laps up Taylor, we drove very close to the
barriers and held out the sandwich. The grab was successful and our
work was done.

I did head to Taylor to join my people for the men's race. Good stuff.

Sabine

In article <[email hidden]>,

(sabine) said:

Howard Kveck <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:<[email hidden]>...>

Quoted message said:

Because an inflatable saxaphone is, um, not silly. Of course (heh). Your
car did look good. I did see a group of your people up on the last pitch of
Taylor (right side) - were you there during the women's race, or later (or
ever...)?

Exactly.

My people. Thats funny.

Your crew? Posse? Homies?

Quoted message said:

I was at the start/finish and in the car during the race. Did you see
the sandwich handoff? The wife of our driver was on Taylor Street and
was hungry. So she called her husband and asked him to bring her a
sandwich. So, on one of the laps up Taylor, we drove very close to the
barriers and held out the sandwich. The grab was successful and our
work was done.

That's great - too bad I missed it. You know, I admire the fact that
y'all make the effort to stand out in a crowd and make a little bit of a
spectacle of yourselves. Halloween must be completely insane with you guys,
or dead boring.

--
tanx,
Howard

"Nationalism is an infantile disease. It is the measles of mankind."
Albert Einstein

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Howard Kveck <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

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That's great - too bad I missed it. You know, I admire the fact that

y'all make the effort to stand out in a crowd and make a little bit of a
spectacle of yourselves. Halloween must be completely insane with you guys,
or dead boring.

We don't make an effort. We just end up that way doing the goofy [censored]
we do.

Yes, its very insane. Even more insane this year as we will be
promoting a cyclocross race on halloween.

Be very afraid.

Sabine

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From: [email hidden] (sabine)

Quoted message said:

Yes, its very insane. Even more insane this year as we will be
promoting a cyclocross race on halloween.

Be very afraid.

Sabine

Damn it sucks that you're on the other coast. That sounds like a ton of fun.
Bill C