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  1. More parents reject MMR by BEEZY MARSH, Daily Mail
    femail.co.ukarticle.html record
    number of parents are shunning the MMR vaccine, heightening fears that children will be exposed to a
    major measles epidemic.

    In some areas, as many as four in ten children are not having the triple jab which is at the centre
    of concerns over a possible link to autism and bowel disease.

    Demand for single jabs is soaring as uptake of MMR has fallen to a new low of just 58 per cent in
    parts of London, Health Department figures reveal.

    Look here too...

    NEWS: scientists clash over MMR jab

    NEWS: 'no evidence to link autism to MMR'

    GUIDE: MMR fact file

    ADVICE: what our experts say

    STORY: MMR: the truth

    Experts fear serious outbreaks of measles will strike this winter, with cases this year already far
    outstripping those in 2002.

    Yesterday, leading clinics providing single vaccinations reported a flood of calls from anxious
    parents following a Channel Five drama about fears surrounding the measles, mumps and rubella jab.

    Medical experts and the NHS criticised Hear The Silence, which starred Juliet Stephenson, as
    alarmist and inaccurate.

    But Sarah Dean, of Direct Health, said: 'We have been inundated with calls, which is unusual for
    this time of year.

    'We think it may have had something to do with the Channel Five drama. We think 2004 is going to be
    our busiest year ever.'

    The clinic, which has centres in London, Liverpool, Bristol, Brighton, Birmingham, Leeds and
    Darlington, currently gives single jabs to at least 20,000 children a year.

    Kathy Durnford, of single vaccine clinic Healthchoice UK, said: 'The phone lines have been going
    ballistic. Parents have been worried about MMR and the fact that the NHS did not want the drama to
    be transmitted has made them even more concerned.'

    The Health Department refuses to provide single jabs on the NHS, saying MMR is the best option
    for children.

    Latest figures from the Department reveal uptake of the combined vaccine has fallen to just 78 per
    cent nationally among two-year-olds.

    But in Kensington and Chelsea, only 58 per cent of youngsters have the MMR while in Greenwich the
    uptake is 59 per cent. In Reading, it is 73 per cent, while in Brighton and Hove the figure has
    fallen to 70 per cent.

    Doctors say coverage of at least 95 per cent is needed to prevent outbreaks of measles.

    Latest figures from the Health Protection Agency show that cases of measles in the first nine months
    of this year stood at 262, compared to 142 for the same period of 2002.

    A spokesman said: 'By the time we have the final figures, it could well be that measles cases have
    doubled this year compared to last year.'

    Dr Mary Ramsay, consultant in public health at the HPA, said: 'We are not seeing evidence of a major
    epidemic of measles - we don't think we are going to have one yet.

    'But I think we will tend to have more outbreaks, and the size of those outbreaks may get bigger. We
    are concerned about low uptake of MMR, but there may be a question about the accuracy of some of the
    data from London.

    'We think the picture may not be as bad as it seems but, even so, the levels of uptake are
    still too low.'

    Yesterday, the Royal College of GPs said it was deeply concerned about the low uptake. Measles is
    spread by close contact and tends to thrive in the winter months. Spokesman Dr George Kassianos
    said: 'GPs would like to see 95 per cent coverage with MMR in all communities.

    'Once we get that, we can rest. At the moment we are on our guard and keeping an eye out for measles
    infections.'

  2. I just hope there is not an outbreak of measles because of this.

    It is so ironic: Because autism is not caused by vaccines, all the parents do is put their kids in
    harm's way instead of reducing their risk of anything. Very sad.

    I hate it when people lie about autism and falsely claim that autism is caused by vaccines. The data
    clearly show that the rise in autism is NOT caused by vaccines.

    Jeff

  3. Quoted message said:

    Subject: Re: More parents reject MMR
    From: "Jeff" [email hidden]
    Date: 12/20/2003 8:50 PM Central Standard Time
    Message-id: <[email hidden]>

    I just hope there is not an outbreak of measles because of this.

    It is so ironic: Because autism is not caused by vaccines, all the parents do is put their kids in
    harm's way instead of reducing their risk of anything. Very sad.

    I hate it when people lie about autism and falsely claim that autism is caused by vaccines. The
    data clearly show that the rise in autism is NOT caused by vaccines.

    Jeff

    Tell that to these parents.

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    909shot.comterry.htm

    909shot.comanna.htm

    909shot.comrichie.htm

    909shot.comnicky.htm

    groups.msn.comautism.msnw

    house.govautism32503.doc.

    rense.commerc.htm

  4. In article <[email hidden]>,

    Jeff said:

    I just hope there is not an outbreak of measles because of this.

    Given that vaccination rates are now reported to be dropping into the 50-60% range, I'd say we can
    be quite confident of a measles epidemic within 3 years.

    -- David Wright :: alphabeta at prodigy.net These are my opinions only, but they're almost always
    correct. "If I have not seen as far as others, it is because giants were standing on my
    shoulders." (Hal Abelson, MIT)

  5. Quoted message said:

    I hate it when people lie about autism and falsely claim that autism is caused by vaccines. The
    data clearly show that the rise in autism is NOT caused by vaccines.

    The earth's flat too...

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  6. "Colin Wilson" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    I hate it when people lie about autism and falsely claim that autism is caused by vaccines. The
    data clearly show that the rise in autism is NOT caused by vaccines.

    The earth's flat too...

    What evidence do you have that autism is caused by vaccines? Real evidence please.

    Jeff

    Quoted message said:

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  7. "Jeff" <[email hidden]> wrote in message

    Quoted message said:


    I hate it when people lie about autism and falsely claim that autism is caused by vaccines.

    liar, the only scientist studying the children is wakefield and a few others, so do stop lying. he
    say mmr is unsafe

  8. "john" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    "Jeff" <[email hidden]> wrote in message

    Quoted message said:


    I hate it when people lie about autism and falsely claim that autism is caused by vaccines.

    liar, the only scientist studying the children is wakefield and a few others, so do stop lying. he
    say mmr is unsafe

    There are several scientists who came together at the Instititute of Medicine (part the US
    National Academy of Sciences). They examined all evidence available and could not find a link.
    There are many scientists who have studied the issue. In Denmark, they studied thousands of kids
    and did not a link.

    The bottom line is that there is basically no evidence that MMR causes autism and very good evidence
    that it doesn't.

    Jeff

  9. (john) said:

    "Jeff" <[email hidden]> wrote in message

    Quoted message said:


    I hate it when people lie about autism and falsely claim that autism is caused by vaccines.

    liar, the only scientist studying the children is wakefield and a few others, so do stop lying. he
    say mmr is unsafe

    And his ex-cohort says he's a fraud.

    PF

  10. Quoted message said:

    What evidence do you have that autism is caused by vaccines? Real evidence please.

    What evidence do you have to prove it can`t under any circumstances ?

    A family friend had their child turn from a bright communicative one to a "challenged" one.

    This happened a few days after their "safe" MMR jab.

    Given the option of single jabs and an MMR on YOUR children, which would you prefer ?

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  11. "Colin Wilson" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    What evidence do you have that autism is caused by vaccines? Real


    evidence

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    please.

    What evidence do you have to prove it can`t under any circumstances ?

    That would require doing a study under every possible circumstance. However, the Institute of
    Medicine reviewed all available evidence 2 or 3 years ago and found no link. The Danish did a study
    where they looked at every child. The kids who got MMR were no more likely to get autism than kids
    who didn't get the vaccine.

    Quoted message said:

    A family friend had their child turn from a bright communicative one to a "challenged" one.

    I am sorry about this.

    Quoted message said:

    This happened a few days after their "safe" MMR jab.

    If they missed their appointment with the doc, it probably would have happened a few days after they
    missed their appointment with the doctor. Almost certainly, it is coincidence.

    Quoted message said:

    Given the option of single jabs and an MMR on YOUR children, which would you prefer ?

    One shot.

    Jeff

  12. Peter Bowditch <[email hidden]> wrote in
    :"]news:[email hidden]:

    Quoted message said:
    (Jan) said:

    The court is currently hearing approximately 1,000 claims brought by the families of autistic
    children. The suits charge that the measles-mumps-rubella (MMR) vaccine, which until recently
    included a mercury-containing preservative known as thimerosal, can cause neurological damage
    leading to autism.

    MMR has never contained thimerosal. Why do these lawyers have to keep repeating this lie?

    More to the point, why does Jan keep reposting that article even though she acknowledges that the
    MMR/thimerosal association is bogus?

  13. "Colin Wilson" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    What evidence do you have that autism is caused by vaccines? Real


    evidence

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    please.

    What evidence do you have to prove it can`t under any circumstances ?

    A family friend had their child turn from a bright communicative one to a "challenged" one.

    This happened a few days after their "safe" MMR jab.

    Given the option of single jabs and an MMR on YOUR children, which would you prefer ?

    The MMR, since NOTHING is as safe as you want it to be, and there is NO evidence that there is a
    link between the MMR and autism. What you describe can be nothing more than a temporal coincidence.
    Parents begin noticing autistic differences around the age of the MMR.

  14. "Jan" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Subject: Re: More parents reject MMR From: "Jeff" [email hidden] Date: 12/20/2003 8:50
    PM Central Standard Time Message-id: <[email hidden]>

    I just hope there is not an outbreak of measles because of this.

    It is so ironic: Because autism is not caused by vaccines, all the


    parents

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    do is put their kids in harm's way instead of reducing their risk of anything. Very sad.

    I hate it when people lie about autism and falsely claim that autism is caused by vaccines. The
    data clearly show that the rise in autism is NOT caused by vaccines.

    Jeff

    Tell that to these parents.

    909shot.com909shot.com

    909shot.comterry.htm

    909shot.comanna.htm

    909shot.comrichie.htm

    909shot.comnicky.htm

    groups.msn.comautism.msnw

    house.govautism32503.doc.

    rense.commerc.htm

    OK!

    Dear Parents of Autistic Kids:

    You are being lied to by the above websites and Jan Drew.

    Now, quit being suckered into this blame game and get on with your parently of the children you are
    blessed with. My family did, never looked back, and have never, ever regretted such a choice.

    Hope that helps.

    Mark Probert

  15. "Eric Bohlman" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    Peter Bowditch <[email hidden]> wrote in :"]news:[email hidden]:

    Quoted message said:
    (Jan) said:

    The court is currently hearing approximately 1,000 claims brought by the families of autistic
    children. The suits charge that the measles-mumps-rubella (MMR) vaccine, which until recently
    included a mercury-containing preservative known as thimerosal, can cause neurological damage
    leading to autism.

    MMR has never contained thimerosal. Why do these lawyers have to keep repeating this lie?

    More to the point, why does Jan keep reposting that article even though


    she

    Quoted message said:

    acknowledges that the MMR/thimerosal association is bogus?

    She has a short memory, and hopes others do.

  16. [email hidden] (PF Riley) wrote in message

    Quoted message said:


    And his ex-cohort says he's a fraud.

    PF

    Where? Missed that

  17. Peter, Please show proof that MMR never contained Thimerosal ? Then perhaps if you can, then you can
    be a star witness in all the court cases like friends Barret/Polevoy et al.

    From what I have read it Thimerosal was used.

    Rod.

    "Peter Bowditch" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    (Jan) said:

    The court is currently hearing approximately 1,000 claims brought by the families of autistic
    children. The suits charge that the


    measles-mumps-rubella

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    (MMR) vaccine, which until recently included a mercury-containing


    preservative

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    known as thimerosal, can cause neurological damage leading to autism.

    MMR has never contained thimerosal. Why do these lawyers have to keep repeating this lie?

    --
    Peter Bowditch The Millenium Project ratbags.comrsoles The Green Light
    ratbags.comgreenlight and The New Improved Quintessence of the Loon with added
    Vitamins and


    C-Q10 ratbags.comloon

    Quoted message said:

    To email me use my first name only at ratbags.com

  18. In article <[email hidden]>,

    Rod said:

    Peter, Please show proof that MMR never contained Thimerosal ? Then perhaps if you can, then you
    can be a star witness in all the court cases like friends Barret/Polevoy et al.

    From what I have read it Thimerosal was used.

    From what you have read, written by people just as ignorant as you.

    Thimerosal couldn't have been used -- it would have inactivated the vaccine.

    -- David Wright :: alphabeta at prodigy.net These are my opinions only, but they're almost always
    correct. "If I have not seen as far as others, it is because giants were standing on my
    shoulders." (Hal Abelson, MIT)

    Quoted message said:

    "Peter Bowditch" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    (Jan) said:

    The court is currently hearing approximately 1,000 claims brought by the families of autistic
    children. The suits charge that the


    measles-mumps-rubella

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    (MMR) vaccine, which until recently included a mercury-containing


    preservative

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    known as thimerosal, can cause neurological damage leading to autism.

    MMR has never contained thimerosal. Why do these lawyers have to keep repeating this lie?

    --
    Peter Bowditch The Millenium Project ratbags.comrsoles The Green Light
    ratbags.comgreenlight and The New Improved Quintessence of the Loon with added
    Vitamins and


    C-Q10 ratbags.comloon

    Quoted message said:

    To email me use my first name only at ratbags.com

  19. "Rod" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    Peter, Please show proof that MMR never contained Thimerosal ? Then perhaps if you can, then you
    can be a star witness in all the court cases like friends Barret/Polevoy et al.

    From what I have read it Thimerosal was used.

    OK...you have made a positive claim that it has, and havce read documentation that it has.

    Post it.

  20. Rod said:

    Peter, Please show proof that MMR never contained Thimerosal ? Then perhaps if you can, then you
    can be a star witness in all the court cases like friends Barret/Polevoy et al.

    From what I have read it Thimerosal was used.

    Perhaps you might like to tell us where you read this. Please do not cite any anti-vaccination liar.
    The cite should be to some reliable source.

    First, a couple of analogies disguised as questions.

    Please show proof that the lawn fertiliser I use has never contained Roundup. Do not point out that
    it would be ridiculous to include a broad-spectrum herbicide in lawn food.

    Please show proof that the yoghurt I had for breakfast has never contained the anti-bacterial agent
    hexachloraphene. Do not point out that it would be ridiculous to include a germ-killing agent in a
    product which depends on live lactobacillus organisms.

    After that, please explain why you think that anyone would have ever included an ingredient which
    would kill the active components of MMR.

    --
    Peter Bowditch
    The Millenium Project ratbags.comrsoles
    The Green Light ratbags.comgreenlight
    and The New Improved Quintessence of the Loon with added Vitamins and C-Q10 ratbags.comloon
    To email me use my first name only at ratbags.com

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