More mislabeling

I've used a variety of the low carb products like ice cream, shakes,
pancakes, ketchup, salad dressing, sweet pickels/relish, cookie/cake
mixes with no problems at all. I find that they make low carb liveable
and far easier to stay on for the long term. The key obviously is to
use them at the appropriate stages and in moderation. They shouldn't
be the mainstay of your diet. And you have to read the labels.

As far as what Atkins originally stated, I see no evidence that he had
a problem with trying to come up with LC versions of popular foods.
He always suggested using substitutes where appropriate. For example,
he recommended using artificial sweetners to replace sugar. And I
recall he had recipes for sweet desserts like LC cheese cake and ice
cream even 30 years ago. The only difference is today there is even
more variety and a lot of it has gotten quite good. The Breyer's Ice
Cream I find excellent. That's the Carb Smart one with low net carb,
not the zero version, which doesn't taste that good. The only better
one is Eddy's Grand.

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recall he had recipes for sweet desserts like LC cheese cake and ice
cream even 30 years ago. The only difference is today there is even
more variety and a lot of it has gotten quite good. The Breyer's Ice
Cream I find excellent. That's the Carb Smart one with low net carb,
not the zero version, which doesn't taste that good. The only better
one is Eddy's Grand.

While I agree in general regarding Breyers Carb Smart Ice Creams (4
net carbs tastes good, 0 net carbs taste bad), the quality also seems
to vary from flavor to flavor. The chocolate is my favorite so far.
I therefore expected their Chocolate Chip Mint to also be good, but
found it disappointing. However, here in the western USA the regional
brand Dreyers has also come out with a low carb line, and their
Chocolate Chip Mint is very good. So as long as the Breyers/Dreyers
thing doesn't get you confused, you can find good CCM. 🙂

OmManiPadmeOmelet wrote:
:: In article <c%coe.83326$yV4.14100@okepread03>,
:: "Jim Bard" <[email hidden]> wrote:
::
::: "Bob M" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
::: news:[email hidden]...
:::: There are "low carb, low cal, low fat," Wolfgang Puck coffee
:::: drinks now. Only they have 110 calories per bottle, 54 calories
:::: from fat, and 9 grams carbs. I'm using them to flavor my coffee,
:::: so they're not bad for that, but still, they aren't really low
:::: carb and certainly aren't low calorie or low fat.
:::
::: The only way that I've found to lose weight on the low-carb
::: lifestyle is to do what Dr. Atkins originally stated: Limit your
::: carbs to fresh vegetables (and later fruits), and fill the rest of
::: your diet with meats and other low-carb items such as fish, cheese,
::: and eggs.
:::
::: Going [censored]-nilly over foods that approach the look and flavor of
::: higher carb foods but are advertised as low-carb products is, in my
::: opinion, going to lead to failure.
:::
::: If it works for you, please feel free to argue and tell me I'm
::: wrong. I'm of the solid opinion that such foods do not lead people
::: to weight control.
:::
:::
::
:: Unfortunately, you are correct. ;-)
:: If you continue to crave and eat anything other than what is in the
:: low
:: carb guidelines, at least on a routine basis, this lifestyle is not
:: going to work for you.
::
:: OTOH, the occasional carb indulgence, say, no more than once per
:: week,
:: is not going to hurt in the long run as long as you don't go nuts on
:: it.
::
:: I had a horrible craving for chicken noodles tonight. First real carb
:: indulgence in at least a month or so.
::
:: Cooked a serving of bean thread noodles in organic chicken broth and
:: put
:: in 1/4 cup of heavy cream.
::
:: 56 grams of carbs.
::
:: <sigh>
::
:: Gonna pay for that for at least the next 5 days but it was really
:: good,
:: and killed the craving. ;-)

Why do you have to pay for 5 days for just 56 grams of carbs? You can burn
through that in one workout period....

Jim Bard said:

"Bob M" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

There are "low carb, low cal, low fat," Wolfgang Puck coffee drinks now.
Only they have 110 calories per bottle, 54 calories from fat, and 9
grams
carbs. I'm using them to flavor my coffee, so they're not bad for that,
but still, they aren't really low carb and certainly aren't low calorie
or
low fat.

The only way that I've found to lose weight on the low-carb lifestyle is
to
do what Dr. Atkins originally stated: Limit your carbs to fresh
vegetables
(and later fruits), and fill the rest of your diet with meats and other
low-carb items such as fish, cheese, and eggs.

Going [censored]-nilly over foods that approach the look and flavor of higher
carb foods but are advertised as low-carb products is, in my opinion,
going
to lead to failure.

If it works for you, please feel free to argue and tell me I'm wrong.
I'm
of the solid opinion that such foods do not lead people to weight
control.

You're wrong. No argument is needed though.

--
Bob M
remove ".x" to reply

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The key obviously is to
use them at the appropriate stages and in moderation. They shouldn't
be the mainstay of your diet. And you have to read the labels.

Right. Taking what used to be a mainstay of your
diet and substituting a low carb version, that's
a recipe for failure.

Quoted message said:

As far as what Atkins originally stated, I see no evidence that he had
a problem with trying to come up with LC versions of popular foods.
He always suggested using substitutes where appropriate. For example,
he recommended using artificial sweetners to replace sugar.

He also said only do it occasionally. Without defining
what the word meant to him. His examples hint that he
thought on a time scale of weeks or months, so my best
guess is he meant once per week or less for occasional.

Dr A dedicated more space to stressing that we should eat
real food - veggies, meat, eggs, dairy, fruit, than he
dedicated to stating that substitutes are okay. So is
Atkins an all natural food plan per his writings? No.
And is it Atkins to eat low carb substitutes at most
meals? Also no.

"He also said only do it occasionally. Without defining
what the word meant to him. His examples hint that he
thought on a time scale of weeks or months, so my best
guess is he meant once per week or less for occasional. "

That's BS. He never said to use LC sweetners or LC foods that
duplicate real ones occasionally. His receipes used LC sweetners a
lot. And as for eating low carb substitutes at most meals, lots of us
do that all the time. For example, one of the things lots of people
here report enjoying are mock mashed potatoes, made with cauliflower.
Now, according to you, we should give that up just because it tries to
duplicate real mashed potatoes. Or how about putting LC sweetner in
ice tea, coffee, or lemonade. Should we give those up too because it
tastes like the real thing? In fact, Atkins had numerous recipes that
tried to duplicate popular foods, while making them LC.

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Doug Freyburger said:

He also said only do it occasionally. Without defining
what the word meant to him. His examples hint that he
thought on a time scale of weeks or months, so my best
guess is he meant once per week or less for occasional.

That's BS. He never said to use LC sweetners or LC foods that
duplicate real ones occasionally. His receipes used LC sweetners a
lot.

Sweeteners are listed with a daily limit of two. Good
point. It's the one exception to be found. It puts a
limit on how many "sugars" to put in coffee among other
things.

Poll question - Did folks include the sweetener in a diet
soda in this daily limit of two (for folks that did heed
the daily limit during Induction)? I think the answer
addresses attitudes about why sweeteners are to be
restricted. Including sodas could be about gradually
reducing a sweet tooth. Not including sodas could be
about understanding that sodas don't include the sugar
filler that packets do.

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And as for eating low carb substitutes at most meals, lots of us
do that all the time. For example, one of the things lots of people
here report enjoying are mock mashed potatoes, made with cauliflower.
Now, according to you, we should give that up just because it tries to
duplicate real mashed potatoes.

You're not making any sense. Are you being deliberately
crazy? Mashed cauliflower is still cauliflower. It's a
vegitable that's on the Induction list. Calling it a
substitute and putting in the same class with Dreamfields
pasta is lunacy. If you really think cauliflower is a
fake substitute, you're nuts.

Changing the shape of something doesn't make it fake.
Fauxtatoes are just as real as the cauliflower they are
made of. They are candy with the sugar replaced by
sugar alcohol, or pasta with a label that claims bad
digestion, or whatever.

Quoted message said:

Or how about putting LC sweetner in
ice tea, coffee, or lemonade. Should we give those up too because it
tastes like the real thing?

There's a limit of two daily during Induction. Whether that
limit continues later is a matter of personal judgement.
Note that packets have 0.5 to 1.0 grams of sugar as filler.
sugar is forbidden yet there's a maximum allowed amount.
Simple judgements like "cauliflower isn't fake even when
it's mashed" are expected of folks; same with "forbidding
sugar doesn't extent to trace amounts and the Induction
rules say a trace can as much as 2.0 grams for the whole
day."

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In fact, Atkins had numerous recipes that
tried to duplicate popular foods, while making them LC.

Sure. Allow substitutes and spend more space discussing
natural foods. Having recipes doesn't mean they are for
daily use.

For folks who follow the directions on Atkins, do you even
have room for dessert? I never did until Maintenance.
Getting to that daily quota of total carbs, half from
veggies, is so much veggies I needed to start each meal
with the veggies just to get enough. Even using the carb
ladder to have progressively carbier veggies to eat.
Counting carbs from all sources easily gave me encarbs
from eggs and dairy and whatever that I didn't have quota
left for dessert until I was at least past 40 grams per
day.

Now that I'm on Maintenance I get to chose among no dessert,
a fist sized low carb dessert at the expense of the
non-veggie half of my quota, or a tiny high carb dessert
at the expense of the non-veggie half of my quota. If
sugary stuff was a binge trigger for me that third one
wouldn't be an option for me. But OWL got me out of the
habit of regular desserts and why not go with the flow
of that and think it a good idea? Depends on whether I
think desserts are what got me fat in the first place ...