More Jumping The SS Armstrong?

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Is Heras dumb enough to ride for "Venga Venga"? This would be enough to get him a Vuelta win,
I'm sure. I can't remeber what the song I heard was the other day but the chorus was "Venga,
Venga, Venga, something!" Couldn't help but think of the escapades on the road of our favorite
director. Bill C

Maybe Heras knows more about Armstong than any of us and figures he can beat him in 2004. As for
dumb, he must be dumb. After all, he's sacrificed himself for Armstrong for several years. Other
than seeing to it that he's paid well, what has Armstrong done for him? Helped Heras in the Vuelta?

Brian

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Is Heras dumb enough to ride for "Venga Venga"? This would be enough to

get

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him a Vuelta win, I'm sure. I can't remeber what the song I heard was the

other

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day but the chorus was "Venga, Venga, Venga, something!" Couldn't help but think of the escapades
on the road of our favorite director. Bill C

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Maybe Heras knows more about Armstong than any of us and figures he can

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him in 2004. As for dumb, he must be dumb. After all, he's sacrificed himself for Armstrong for
several years. Other than seeing to it that he's paid well, what has Armstrong done for him?
Helped Heras in the Vuelta?

Brian

No but the rest of the team has... After all, if LA isn't there and it isn't a spring classic, RH
is the man.

Mike

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Is Heras dumb enough to ride for "Venga Venga"? This would be enough to get him a Vuelta win,
I'm sure.

Maybe another Vuelta win, at best, is what remains for Heras, if the V3 man doesn't blow it. His
welcome at Postal may be worn out: Armstrong couldn't even hand him a stage this year; his one
superior abilty was shown to have pretty severe limits. He was absent once or twice when duty
called, and they got it done without him. Gone.

He's done well for himself there, maybe the best choice possible for him (looking past cycling--
standard of living in later years, etc.). Gracias, adios. --TP

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Maybe Heras knows more about Armstong than any of us and figures he can

beat

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him in 2004. As for dumb, he must be dumb. After all, he's sacrificed himself for Armstrong for
several years. Other than seeing to it that

he's

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paid well, what has Armstrong done for him? Helped Heras in the Vuelta?

Brian

This is like going from working for Edward Jones which is rated the best
company to work for, granted he's #2 there, to being #1 at Wal-Mart who

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pond scum at best. Bill C

I think you like "Venga, Venga" about as much as I like Armstrong. That's ok. I'd like to see what
Armstrong does with Heras as an adversary next year. It could help make for a very good Tour.

If Heras goes, what's the post-Postal Lance count?. I've lost track.

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Maybe Heras knows more about Armstong than any of us and figures he can

beat

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him in 2004. As for dumb, he must be dumb. After all, he's sacrificed himself for Armstrong for
several years. Other than seeing to it that he's paid well, what has Armstrong done for him?
Helped Heras in the Vuelta?

Brian

This is like going from working for Edward Jones which is rated the best company to work for,
granted he's #2 there, to being #1 at Wal-Mart who are pond scum at best.

Dumbass -

I like Wal-Mart. Good old cut-throat capitalism.

The only problem with it is there aren't a whole lot of Hotties there - it's mostly Fatties and
Bluehairs.

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I'd like to see what Armstrong does with Heras as an adversary next year. It could help make for
a very good Tour.

If Heras goes, what's the post-Postal Lance count?. I've lost track.

The count's getting pretty high, and It would definitely make the

mountain

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stages more interesting, but I think Heras is better suited to shorter steep/pure climber grades
than those in the Tour. I could see him winning

the

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Vuelta with ease given a solid team and no other major goal, but I don't

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him challenging Lance and Jan for the Tour overall. Bill C

That would have to be a huge mental leap. RH has worked with LA and knows his strengths/weaknesses.
Improving his TT ability would be #1 on the list of things to do to beat LA.

Mike

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From Tritonrider:

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Is Heras dumb enough to ride for "Venga Venga"? This would be enough to

get

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him a Vuelta win, I'm sure.

Maybe another Vuelta win, at best, is what remains for Heras, if the V3

man

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doesn't blow it. His welcome at Postal may be worn out: Armstrong couldn't

even

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hand him a stage this year; his one superior abilty was shown to have

pretty

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severe limits. He was absent once or twice when duty called, and they got

it

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done without him. Gone.

He's done well for himself there, maybe the best choice possible for him (looking past cycling--
standard of living in later years, etc.). Gracias, adios. --TP

Say what you will about Heras. Taking back 2 minutes on Nozal to win the Vuelta in the short mtn. TT
was one of the main highlights of this pro season in my opinion. That was one awesome ride! Whatever
he does, I wish him all the best.

Bob C.

Anything looks spectacular when your main competition is a bunch of second-rate riders. Let's see
anorexic Spanish boy pull that nonsense on Alpe d'Huez next year against Lance in the REAL Tour.

The Vuelta, much like the Giro, is for riders who get blown out the back on GC in the Tour de
France. The racers who race them are like the special education class in pro cycling.

Botereo, all the Gonzalezes, Heras, that punta Sevilla....those guys are little-boy prostitutes in
the Tour de France.

What you got to say about that Triton Rider?

Racer X

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Is Heras dumb enough to ride for "Venga Venga"? This would be enough to

get

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him a Vuelta win, I'm sure.

Maybe another Vuelta win, at best, is what remains for Heras, if the V3

man

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doesn't blow it. His welcome at Postal may be worn out: Armstrong couldn't

even

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hand him a stage this year; his one superior abilty was shown to have

pretty

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severe limits. He was absent once or twice when duty called, and they got

it

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done without him. Gone.

He's done well for himself there, maybe the best choice possible for him (looking past cycling--
standard of living in later years, etc.). Gracias, adios. --TP

Say what you will about Heras. Taking back 2 minutes on Nozal to win the Vuelta in the short mtn.
TT was one of the main highlights of this pro season in my opinion. That was one awesome ride!
Whatever he does, I wish him all the best.

Bob C.

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From: "B. Lafferty" [email hidden]

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Maybe Heras knows more about Armstong than any of us and figures he can

beat

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him in 2004. As for dumb, he must be dumb. After all, he's sacrificed himself for Armstrong for
several years. Other than seeing to it that he's paid well, what has Armstrong done for him?
Helped Heras in the Vuelta?

Brian

This is like going from working for Edward Jones which is rated the best company to work for,
granted he's #2 there, to being #1 at Wal-Mart who are pond scum at best.

Dumbass -

I like Wal-Mart. Good old cut-throat capitalism.

The only problem with it is there aren't a whole lot of Hotties there - it's mostly Fatties and
Bluehairs.

Sounds like the perfect sponsor for a Fattie Masters team.

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I think you like "Venga, Venga" about as much as I like Armstrong.

That's

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ok. I'd like to see what Armstrong does with Heras as an adversary next year. It could help make
for a very good Tour.

Lance would eat him for lunch, the only thing Heras could go for is podium. Heras has improved
considerably in the TT since joining postal, in some of the pics you can see they've put some muscle
on the boy, but it's not enough to do in some of the mighty all-arounders, such as Hamilton, Ullrich
and Armstrong.

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Dumbass -

I like Wal-Mart. Good old cut-throat capitalism.

The only problem with it is there aren't a whole lot of Hotties there - it's mostly Fatties and
Bluehairs.

Sounds like the perfect sponsor for a Fattie Masters team.

Yeah... nothing sells your product like a bunch of overweight SOBs in spandex racing bikes.

Walmart didn't get where they are today by flushing money down the toilet.

- BS

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Perhaps Heras this time.

It's definite.

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B. Lafferty said:

Perhaps Heras this time.

It's definite.

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Ewoud Dronkert said:

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Perhaps Heras this time.

It's definite.

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"..and some believe he is one of the few riders capable of challenging Armstrong in the Tour."

Oh puh-leeze.

--
"There comes a time in every honest man's life when he feels the need to hoist the black flag and
start slicing throats."
- H.L. Menken

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Dumbass -

I like Wal-Mart. Good old cut-throat capitalism.

The only problem with it is there aren't a whole lot of Hotties there - it's mostly Fatties and
Bluehairs.

Sounds like the perfect sponsor for a Fattie Masters team.

Yeah... nothing sells your product like a bunch of overweight SOBs in

spandex

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racing bikes.

Walmart didn't get where they are today by flushing money down the toilet.

- BS

I can just see Henry as the spandex greeter at WM. "Welcome to WM. Toasters and bread machines?
Straight ahead and to your left."

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Maybe Heras knows more about Armstong than any of us and figures he can

beat

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him in 2004. As for dumb, he must be dumb. After all, he's sacrificed himself for Armstrong for
several years. Other than seeing to it that he's paid well, what has Armstrong done for him?
Helped Heras in the Vuelta?

Brian

This is like going from working for Edward Jones which is rated the best company to work for,
granted he's #2 there, to being #1 at Wal-Mart who are pond scum at best.

Dumbass -

I like Wal-Mart. Good old cut-throat capitalism.

The only problem with it is there aren't a whole lot of Hotties there - it's mostly Fatties and
Bluehairs.

Congratulations! You've just managed to insert your masters fattie fixation into a thread that I couldn't possibly imagine being associated with fatties. Heras has to be one of the tiniest men I've ever seen that isn't technically one of the "little people".

Personally, I'd hate to see Heras leave Postal beacause watching Armstrong and Heras beat up on everyone in '02 was awesome, but the guy could be a great tour rider if he can get his TT'ing (on the flats) up to speed. There are few better that Saiz at turning out good TT'ers.

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Ewoud Dronkert said:

It's definite.

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Is that meant as confirmation, or denial of my statement? Maybe it's not definite in the sense that
not all details are worked out, and Heras himself hasn't officially confirmed it, but when Bruyneel
says: "A few days ago his lawyer told us that he wanted to leave the team. Apparently he has
received an offer of a three-year contract to lead another team. We aren't happy with the situation,
but if Roberto wants to leave there is nothing we can do to stop him.", I think there's no going
back. Anyway, it's reported as fact in the Flemish papers.

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Ewoud Dronkert said:

B. Lafferty said:

Perhaps Heras this time.

It's definite.

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"I can neither deny nor confirm the reports," he told Marca.

Man, have they taught him well or what? Next thing you know he'll be running for governor.