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  1. Hi All,

    My relocation plans are starting to take shape. I am going to
    California next week to have a look around. No bike riding, but plenty
    of driving. The plan is for me to see as much as I can so I can make a
    "short list" of potential areas which I will visit again in October
    with my wife and kids so they can see and make a final descision
    later.

    I have I beileve enough info for most of the places I will check out,
    but I recently became interested in Santa Maria. Can someone fill me
    in on what the racing/riding scene is like there? How far do you have
    to ride to be out of range of stop signs, etc. In general what is it
    like? Any suggestions on particular things/places I should check out
    when I am in the area?

    Thanks!

    Joseph

  2. email hidden said:

    Hi All,

    My relocation plans are starting to take shape. I am going to
    California next week to have a look around. No bike riding, but plenty
    of driving. The plan is for me to see as much as I can so I can make a
    "short list" of potential areas which I will visit again in October
    with my wife and kids so they can see and make a final descision
    later.

    The bike riding and weather are the best. "We" have a rotten,
    burdensome, and corrupt commie-fascist state guvmint though, so get
    ready to pay a lofty sun tax anywhere in the state.

    Quoted message said:

    I have I beileve enough info for most of the places I will check out,
    but I recently became interested in Santa Maria. Can someone fill me
    in on what the racing/riding scene is like there? How far do you have
    to ride to be out of range of stop signs, etc. In general what is it
    like? Any suggestions on particular things/places I should check out
    when I am in the area?

    I lived in Santa Cruz for 18 years, and now live in Sonoma County.
    There is great riding in both. Personally I prefer Santa Cruz -- it is
    on the north end of the Monterey Bay. In Santa Cruz, The Saturday
    Ride is legendary -- basically it is an informal free training race.
    The same goes for the Tuesday Night Piggies ride, which is very
    hard. We used to do Thursdays too, and Sundays.

    Santa Rosa (Sonoma Co.) has a training crit on Tuesday nights where
    the time is split into three different "categorized" races. It is
    flat, a circle, very boring and costs money. There is no comptetition
    on that score with Santa Cruz's Tuesday Piggies ride. There are
    probably more total routes to ride in Sonoma County than Santa Cruz,
    but you won't get bored in either countryside.

    Santa Rosa is a commie haven. Santa Cruz makes Santa Rosa seem right
    wing. Very amusing, even though criminal. My free advice is to
    alternate making fun of them to ignoring them. Enjoy everything.

  3. joseph santaniello said:

    I have I beileve enough info for most of the places I will check out,
    but I recently became interested in Santa Maria. Can someone fill me
    in on what the racing/riding scene is like there?

    I hope you like wind! Seriously though, Santa Maria is a great place for
    riding.

    As for racing, it's good news/bad news... there's a somewhat active racing
    community right in Santa Maria, but not as big as nearby San Luis Obispo (to
    the north) or Santa Barbara (to the south). But the main drawback is that
    you'll generally be at least 2-3 hours drive from most of the races. Santa
    Maria, just like the rest of Central California, is in between the racing
    hotbeds of LA/OC/San Diego and the Bay Area. But you could turn that around
    and recognize that you usually have two equidistant race options every
    weekend. Also, I'm pretty sure there are regular group rides and training
    races in Santa Maria, but certainly you could find rides of any level ride
    you wanted by going to SLO or SB. Plus, if you're into centuries, the
    world-famous Solvang Century goes right through Santa Maria (it even has a
    start location there).

    Quoted message said:

    How far do you have to ride to be out of range of stop signs, etc.

    Not far at all. Couple miles at most and you're in the Santa Ynez Valley
    which has some of the best riding in the state. Like I've mentioned before
    to someone in rbr, there's a reason many pro teams hold training camps
    there.

    Quoted message said:

    In general what is it like?

    The town or the cycling? The town is growing fast, with lots of housing
    tracts sprouting up. It's an agricultural economy mostly. Lot's of vineyards
    and strawberry fields. The riding is really good and the weather over most
    of the winter is better than the rest of the state.

    Quoted message said:

    Any suggestions on particular things/places I should check out
    when I am in the area?

    Go climb Figueroa Mtn. Visit some wineries. Go to Los Alamos and eat at
    American Flat Bread Pizza (only open Fri/Sat nights). Visit SLO and SB. Go
    to the beach.

    Here are some cycling resources for the area....
    http://www.slocycling.org
    http://www.teamtailwinds.com
    http://ridesb.com

    Good luck!

    Mark
    http://marcofanelli.blogspot.com

  4. In article <[email hidden]>,

    Quoted message said:

    I have I beileve enough info for most of the places I will check out,
    but I recently became interested in Santa Maria. Can someone fill me
    in on what the racing/riding scene is like there? How far do you have
    to ride to be out of range of stop signs, etc. In general what is it
    like? Any suggestions on particular things/places I should check out
    when I am in the area?

    I'm not familiar with the riding in that area, but there are a lot of
    wineries in the area to the east and south of Santa Maria.

    http://www.sbcountywines.com/
    http://www.sbcountywines.com/visit/map.html

    --
    Mike Iglesias Email: [email hidden]
    University of California, Irvine phone: 949-824-6926
    Network & Academic Computing Services FAX: 949-824-2069

  5. joseph santaniello said:

    I have I beileve enough info for most of the places I will check out,
    but I recently became interested in Santa Maria. Can someone fill me
    in on what the racing/riding scene is like there?

    I hope you like wind! Seriously though, Santa Maria is a great place for
    riding.

    As for racing, it's good news/bad news... there's a somewhat active racing
    community right in Santa Maria, but not as big as nearby San Luis Obispo (to
    the north) or Santa Barbara (to the south). But the main drawback is that
    you'll generally be at least 2-3 hours drive from most of the races. Santa
    Maria, just like the rest of Central California, is in between the racing
    hotbeds of LA/OC/San Diego and the Bay Area. But you could turn that around
    and recognize that you usually have two equidistant race options every
    weekend. Also, I'm pretty sure there are regular group rides and training
    races in Santa Maria, but certainly you could find rides of any level ride
    you wanted by going to SLO or SB. Plus, if you're into centuries, the
    world-famous Solvang Century goes right through Santa Maria (it even has a
    start location there).

    Quoted message said:

    How far do you have to ride to be out of range of stop signs, etc.

    Not far at all. Couple miles at most and you're in the Santa Ynez Valley
    which has some of the best riding in the state. Like I've mentioned before
    to someone in rbr, there's a reason many pro teams hold training camps
    there.

    Quoted message said:

    In general what is it like?

    The town or the cycling? The town is growing fast, with lots of housing
    tracts sprouting up. It's an agricultural economy mostly. Lot's of vineyards
    and strawberry fields. The riding is really good and the weather over most
    of the winter is better than the rest of the state.

    Quoted message said:

    Any suggestions on particular things/places I should check out
    when I am in the area?

    Go climb Figueroa Mtn. Visit some wineries. Go to Los Alamos and eat at
    American Flat Bread Pizza (only open Fri/Sat nights). Visit SLO and SB. Go
    to the beach.

    Here are some cycling resources for the area....
    http://www.slocycling.org
    http://www.teamtailwinds.com
    http://ridesb.com

    Good luck!

    Mark
    http://marcofanelli.blogspot.com

  6. email hidden said:

    Hi All,

    My relocation plans are starting to take shape. I am going to
    California next week to have a look around. No bike riding, but plenty
    of driving. The plan is for me to see as much as I can so I can make a
    "short list" of potential areas which I will visit again in October
    with my wife and kids so they can see and make a final descision
    later.

    I have I beileve enough info for most of the places I will check out,
    but I recently became interested in Santa Maria. Can someone fill me
    in on what the racing/riding scene is like there? How far do you have
    to ride to be out of range of stop signs, etc. In general what is it
    like? Any suggestions on particular things/places I should check out
    when I am in the area?

    As Slave says, northern California is a great place to ride but a
    particularly nasty area to work in. The commies are intent on
    destroying any businesses and slowly managing to kill the goose that
    laid the golden egg. If you have a good job it is sometimes funny to
    watch them building their own nooses to hang themselves with. For
    instance, Berkeley insisted on giving students at Cal the right to
    vote in Berkeley elections. Berkeley was really a hotbed of
    electronics and biotech development. The numbers of startups there
    were probably the highest in the nation and maybe the world. Now there
    are essentially no startups there, all of the electronics firms and
    all of the biotech firms are gone. One company I worked for was
    threatened closure for having "dangerous chemicals on site". What were
    these "dangerous chemicals"? Two unopened cans of motor oil used in
    the machine shop to lubricate the lath and mill bearings.

    Santa Maria is a strange place. It varies from decade to decade as a
    good place or not to raise children. Of course good parents can raise
    good kids anywhere but it helps if all of the local kids aren't
    thieves, druggies or worse (think of Moab). The riding is good but
    somewhat limited because there are so many cars down there and so few
    roads. But even the old farts are faster than hell. And the length of
    rides is sort of farther than I'm used to because most of the routes
    are flat though often windy.

    Up here in northern California we do 30-50 miles usually with a good
    deal of climbing. Down there a 50 mile ride isn't any big deal.

    Santa Rosa is pretty much the ideal country if you have a job though
    the roads are narrow without shoulder and the drivers ought to be
    ripped from their cars and beaten to a pulp about every other trip.
    San Francisco bay area is absolutely spectacular with any kind of
    riding you could want. But the cost of living is high, the local
    governments are looney tunes and the population never stops growing.
    On the other hand the racing is first rate, the good thing about
    looney tunes governments is that they discourage land development in
    the best places - such as Tunitas Creek Rd and west Old LaHonda Rd
    etc.

    So, there's good and bad about just about any place in California. The
    central valley around Sacramento is a good place to live and work but
    it is hot. SF bay area is a good place to live and work but you have
    to be ready to change jobs at a moments notice (since '67 I've worked
    at 41 jobs in electronics! My favorite was a company that hired me on
    Friday and when I came to work on Monday the building was empty.)

    Southern California is a great deal more stable, the weather is better
    for most of the year but the riding isn't nearly as varied or scenic.
    You makes your choice and you takes what you get.

  7. Oh, MEW MEW MEW

    Whatever, a$$bite. You have no money, no clue, and no future. Enjoy
    your time in hell.

    Quoted message said:

    As Slave says, northern California is a great place to ride but a
    particularly nasty area to work in. The commies are intent on
    destroying any businesses and slowly managing to kill the goose that
    laid the golden egg. If you have a good job it is sometimes funny to
    watch them building their own nooses to hang themselves with. For
    instance, Berkeley insisted on giving students at Cal the right to
    vote in Berkeley elections. Berkeley was really a hotbed of
    electronics and biotech development. The numbers of startups there
    were probably the highest in the nation and maybe the world. Now there
    are essentially no startups there, all of the electronics firms and
    all of the biotech firms are gone. One company I worked for was
    threatened closure for having "dangerous chemicals on site". What were
    these "dangerous chemicals"? Two unopened cans of motor oil used in
    the machine shop to lubricate the lath and mill bearings.

  8. One of the things I like best about Berkeley is that it drives Tom
    nuts.

    Just sayin'.

  9. www.SharonFund.com

    <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    Hi All,

    My relocation plans are starting to take shape. I am going to
    California next week to have a look around. No bike riding, but plenty
    of driving. The plan is for me to see as much as I can so I can make a
    "short list" of potential areas which I will visit again in October
    with my wife and kids so they can see and make a final descision
    later.

    I have I beileve enough info for most of the places I will check out,
    but I recently became interested in Santa Maria. Can someone fill me
    in on what the racing/riding scene is like there? How far do you have
    to ride to be out of range of stop signs, etc. In general what is it
    like? Any suggestions on particular things/places I should check out
    when I am in the area?

    Thanks!

    Joseph

    Lots of great riding in and around Santa Maria. And you'll be just 30
    minutes south of San Luis Obispo, so even more options there, both road and
    MTB (however, I've heard that most of the best single track riding on
    Montana d'Oro and other locations is being closed to bikes lately). Beaches
    are close (Pismo, Shell and Avila (I used to live in Avila Beach and love it
    there... no matter the weather elsewhere, Avila almost always clears by
    around noon... south facing beach I guess)) and lots of golf too (if that's
    your bag). And one of THE best steak houses EVER, called the Hitching Post
    out in Casmalia, about 20 minutes south and west of Santa Maria in the
    middle of nowhere, but great open fire, red oak grilled beef
    flesh....mmmm...

    We used to ride out to the coast quite often, or down to Lompoc, or up to
    Nipomo. Hwy 1 is just west out of town and leads to all sorts of nice
    rides. But the wind is merciless... just get used to it, that's really the
    only choice if you want to ride...

  10. BFWG said:

    www.SharonFund.com

    <[email hidden]> wrote in message

    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    Hi All,

    Quoted message said:

    My relocation plans are starting to take shape. I am going to
    California next week to have a look around. No bike riding, but plenty
    of driving. The plan is for me to see as much as I can so I can make a
    "short list" of potential areas which I will visit again in October
    with my wife and kids so they can see and make a final descision
    later.

    Quoted message said:

    I have I beileve enough info for most of the places I will check out,
    but I recently became interested in Santa Maria. Can someone fill me
    in on what the racing/riding scene is like there? How far do you have
    to ride to be out of range of stop signs, etc. In general what is it
    like? Any suggestions on particular things/places I should check out
    when I am in the area?

    Quoted message said:

    Thanks!

    Quoted message said:

    Joseph

    Lots of great riding in and around Santa Maria. And you'll be just 30
    minutes south of San Luis Obispo, so even more options there, both road and
    MTB (however, I've heard that most of the best single track riding on
    Montana d'Oro and other locations is being closed to bikes lately). Beaches
    are close (Pismo, Shell and Avila (I used to live in Avila Beach and love it
    there... no matter the weather elsewhere, Avila almost always clears by
    around noon... south facing beach I guess)) and lots of golf too (if that's
    your bag). And one of THE best steak houses EVER, called the Hitching Post
    out in Casmalia, about 20 minutes south and west of Santa Maria in the
    middle of nowhere, but great open fire, red oak grilled beef
    flesh....mmmm...

    We used to ride out to the coast quite often, or down to Lompoc, or up to
    Nipomo. Hwy 1 is just west out of town and leads to all sorts of nice
    rides. But the wind is merciless... just get used to it, that's really the
    only choice if you want to ride...

    Sounds nice. As far as wind goes, this weather station is about 5km
    from my house:

    http://tinyurl.com/258xmh

    I'm looking forward to a steak...

    Joseph

  11. In article <[email hidden]>,

    Quoted message said:

    One of the things I like best about Berkeley is that it drives Tom
    nuts.

    Just sayin'.

    Just for that, it's gonna be Double Guantanamo for you.

    --
    tanx,
    Howard

    Never take a tenant with a monkey.

    remove YOUR SHOES to reply, ok?

  12. On Aug 22, 11:39 pm, Howard Kveck <[email hidden]>

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    One of the things I like best about Berkeley is that it drives Tom
    nuts.

    Quoted message said:

    Just sayin'.

    Just for that, it's gonna be Double Guantanamo for you.

    I understand the health care there is excellent and I'd get to eat
    lemon chicken.

  13. Howard Kveck said:

    Just for that, it's gonna be Double Guantanamo for you.

    Is Double Guantanamo some fiendish new LIVEDRUNK(tm) cocktail ?

  14. Quoted message said:

    On Aug 22, 11:39 pm, Howard Kveck <[email hidden]>

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    One of the things I like best about Berkeley is that it drives Tom
    nuts.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Just sayin'.

    Quoted message said:

    Just for that, it's gonna be Double Guantanamo for you.

    I understand the health care there is excellent and I'd get to eat
    lemon chicken.

    Everyone in Cuba has great healthcare, right?

    Joseph

  15. Yeah, and you get to pray six times a day, or more if you need it.

    <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    On Aug 22, 11:39 pm, Howard Kveck <[email hidden]>

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    One of the things I like best about Berkeley is that it drives Tom
    nuts.

    Quoted message said:

    Just sayin'.

    Just for that, it's gonna be Double Guantanamo for you.

    I understand the health care there is excellent and I'd get to eat
    lemon chicken.

  16. how long have you been in Norway?

  17. email hidden said:
    Quoted message said:

    On Aug 22, 11:39 pm, Howard Kveck <[email hidden]>

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    > One of the things I like best about Berkeley is that it drives Tom
    > nuts.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    > Just sayin'.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Just for that, it's gonna be Double Guantanamo for you.

    Quoted message said:

    I understand the health care there is excellent and I'd get to eat
    lemon chicken.

    Everyone in Cuba has great healthcare, right?

    Of course not. Only detainees at Guantanamo get great healthcare and
    lemon chicken.

    Besides,
    http://anonymous.coward.free.fr/scpo/e0-d5-2.png
    http://anonymous.coward.free.fr/scpo/e0-d5-state.png
    http://anonymous.coward.free.fr/scpo/gdp-exp-percap.png

  18. datakoll said:

    how long have you been in Norway?

    10+ years total.

    Joseph

  19. Quoted message said:

    On Aug 23, 7:05 am, "[email hidden]"

    Quoted message said:

    On Aug 23, 2:51 pm, [email hidden] wrote:

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    On Aug 22, 11:39 pm, Howard Kveck <[email hidden]>

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    > > One of the things I like best about Berkeley is that it drives Tom
    > > nuts.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    > > Just sayin'.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    > Just for that, it's gonna be Double Guantanamo for you.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    I understand the health care there is excellent and I'd get to eat
    lemon chicken.

    Quoted message said:

    Everyone in Cuba has great healthcare, right?

    Of course not. Only detainees at Guantanamo get great healthcare and
    lemon chicken.

    Besides,http://anonymous.coward.free.fr/scpo/e0-d5-2.pnghttp://anonymous.coward.free.fr/scpo/e0-d5-state.pnghttp://anonymous.coward.free.fr/scpo/gdp-exp-percap.png

    They get free haircuts too.

    The by state plot was interesting. Can you make a per capita
    expenditure one by state?

    Joseph

  20. Quoted message said:

    One of the things I like best about Berkeley is that it drives Tom
    nuts.

    Just sayin'.

    This from someone that doesn't live or work there.

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