Monsal Head parking?

"Nick Pedley" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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I'm off to the White Peak in a couple of weeks for a few days walking and

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looking for a short circular stroll (10 miles max) to do before arriving

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the hostel in the evening. First thought was to wander along the Monsal

Head

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tracks but am put off by the possibility of expensive parking. Can anyone put a price on this?

Any suggestions for a different day stroll?

Thanks, Nick

Don't know the price but its per hour, ideal for the toerags to spot when you have just left so they
have plenty of time to break in. You can find some roadside parking in Millerdale or in Litton and
walk from there. You could park near Foolow / Housely and walk from there to Great Longstone and
back along Monsaldale and Cressbrook dale.

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Nick Pedley wrote

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First thought was to wander along the Monsal Head tracks but am put off by the possibility of
expensive parking.

Why not just pay the money ? On the grand scale of things it's not much and I assure that the locals
would much rather you put your car in the place put aside for and paid for through our local taxes
than have it bunging up the roads in the villages, which have already limited parking.

I must admit I just don't get this attitude. If I am visting another area then I make sure I pay my
way. Tax payers in country areas already carry a disproportionate cost of thier maintenenace than
the majority of the people who use them. Giving what amounts to a very small amount of money back
through parking charges is not much to ask is it ?

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"Chris Gilbert" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Nick Pedley wrote

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First thought was to wander along the Monsal Head tracks but am put off by the possibility of
expensive parking.

Why not just pay the money ? On the grand scale of things it's not much and I assure that the
locals would much rather you put your car in the place put aside for and paid for through our
local taxes than have it bunging up the roads in the villages, which have already limited parking.

I must admit I just don't get this attitude. If I am visting another area then I make sure I pay
my way. Tax payers in country areas already carry a disproportionate cost of thier maintenenace
than the majority of the people who use them. Giving what amounts to a very small amount of money
back through parking charges is not much to ask is it ?

Chris

It helps to know what sort of parking there is (long stay/short stay/attended/local crimespot etc)
and how much it costs to park for however long so you can be sure of having enough change to pay for
the inevitable machines. Is that OK with you? As for the cost, I've been stung too often for
expensive parking because of a lack of planning. Certainly I consider more than £1 per hour
extortionate, especially when it's midweek and out of season. I'm already supporting the local
communities by staying there, shopping there and eating and drinking out there.

Nick

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I'm already supporting the local communities by staying there, shopping there and eating and
drinking out there.

Then IME you're the exception rather than the rule, Nick, and good luck to you. There's too many
people who drive here, park for free, eat their sarnies and go home and while they are perfectly
within thier rights to do so they don't actually put anything back into the local economy.

If you're going midweek then park at Upperdale, just down the road in the valley. There's space
there for about a dozen cars and its free. Easy access from there onto the Monsal Trail. You can
also park at the mill in Cressbrook.

Chris

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I found a nice route in an old copy of Trail which sounds interesting (along the valley floor)
among several others online.

Are you sure the route will keep you on the valley floor - or lead you over a cliff?

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Nick Pedley <[email hidden]> wrote

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I found a nice route in an old copy of Trail which sounds interesting (along the valley floor)
among several others online. I might just go to Stanton Lees and see what the Nine Ladies looks
like before the quarry gets reopened. Hmm, decisions, decisions!

Nick

Last summer there was a cluster of tents and tree houses there, presumably to prevent them starting
it. We walked down to Nine ladies from Rowsley - free car parking at Caudwell's Mill.
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"Chris Gilbert" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Why not just pay the money ? On the grand scale of things it's not much and I assure that the
locals would much rather you put your car in the place put aside for and paid for through our
local taxes than have it bunging up the roads in the villages, which have already limited parking.

I must admit I just don't get this attitude. If I am visting another area then I make sure I pay
my way. Tax payers in country areas already carry a disproportionate cost of thier maintenenace
than the majority of the people who use them. Giving what amounts to a very small amount of money
back through parking charges is not much to ask is it ?

In principle yes, it's a worthwhile exercise to spend money in rural places, even if just a paper &
some snacks out the local shop. But parking charges actively discourage this, so I doubt the local
community benefits much.

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Nick Pedley wrote

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I'm already supporting the local communities by staying there, shopping there and eating and

drinking

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out there.

Then IME you're the exception rather than the rule, Nick, and good luck to you. There's too many
people who drive here, park for free, eat their sarnies and go home and while they are perfectly
within thier rights to do so they don't actually put anything back into the local economy.

If you're going midweek then park at Upperdale, just down the road in the valley. There's space
there for about a dozen cars and its free. Easy access from there onto the Monsal Trail. You can
also park at the mill in Cressbrook.

Chris

Thanks Chris,

I found a nice route in an old copy of Trail which sounds interesting (along the valley floor) among
several others online. I might just go to Stanton Lees and see what the Nine Ladies looks like
before the quarry gets reopened. Hmm, decisions, decisions!

Nick

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In message <[email hidden]>, Nick Pedley
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I found a nice route in an old copy of Trail which sounds interesting

(along

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the valley floor) among several others online.

Are you sure the route will keep you on the valley floor - or lead you over a cliff?

LOL! :-)

Nick

Bernie Hughes wrote

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In principle yes, it's a worthwhile exercise to spend money in rural places, even if just a paper
& some snacks out the local shop. But parking charges actively discourage this, so I doubt the
local community benefits much.

I honestly don't see that parking charges amount to a heap of beans. Even if it costs £5 to park my
car all day its only a couple of pints. I've been trying to get my head 'round why such a small
amount of money causes some people such a problem. I wonder if a part of it is the fact that we are
the walking generation that has seen our hobby pass from one that is essentially free (beyond one or
two essesntial bits of kit) to one that is progressively being asked to contribute to the grander
scheme of things. So, is this just a transitional thing ?

Chris

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I honestly don't see that parking charges amount to a heap of beans. Even if it costs £5 to park
my car all day its only a couple of pints. I've been trying to get my head 'round why such a small
amount of money causes some people such a problem. I wonder if a part of it is the fact that we
are the walking generation that has seen our hobby pass from one that is essentially free (beyond
one or two essesntial bits of kit) to one that is progressively being asked to contribute to the
grander scheme of things. So, is this just a transitional thing ?

No one minds paying to park in a purpose built car park complete with a minder in a hut, I very much
object to paying through the nose just because your council has painted yellow lines all over and
stuck up a parking meter on a patch of waste ground. I also wonder why you think everyone else
should subsidise your council tax? Your council's expenses are no different to elsewhere.

pb

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I honestly don't see that parking charges amount to a heap of beans. Even if it costs £5 to park my
car all day its only a couple of pints. I've been trying to get my head 'round why such a small
amount of money causes some people such a problem. I wonder if a part of it is the fact that we are
the walking generation that has seen our hobby pass from one that is essentially free (beyond one
or two essesntial bits of kit) to one that is progressively being asked to contribute to the
grander scheme of things. So, is this just a transitional thing ?

Chris

Was there in December.. as I was on a circuit, I just found some laybys elsewhere on my route. The
pub and caff got the money.

There are plenty of places on the B road to the north. BTW the caff in the YH is pretty good in the
cake dept.

Richard Webb

pb wrote

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No one minds paying to park in a purpose built car park complete with a minder in a hut, I very
much object to paying through the nose just

because

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your council has painted yellow lines all over and stuck up a parking

meter

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on a patch of waste ground.

The land probably cost money, as did the construction of the car park. Who pays ?

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I also wonder why you think everyone else should subsidise your council tax? Your council's
expenses are no different to elsewhere.

I was trying to broaden the discussion but since you put it that way, the Peak Park is the second
most visited park in the world behind Yosemite and it inevitably suffers from a bit of wear and
tear. Some money to make good the wear and tear does come through the National parks scheme but some
of it inevitably comes out of my pocket. You could argue that that is an occupational hazard and
that I choose to live where I do. My argument is that asking people to make a small contribution, in
recognition of the enjoyment that they derive from having the area protected for everyone's benefit,
is reasonable. If the easiest way to implement that levy is by applying a small parking charge then,
to me, that is also reasonable. When faced with parking charges in other UK beauty spots I willingly
pay what I'm asked.

As I said, its a small amount and I don't see the problem and I was trying to understand it. One
person's reasonable charge is clearly another's paying through the nose. Everything's subjective,
I suppose.

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"Chris Gilbert" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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The land probably cost money, as did the construction of the car park. Who pays ?

The particular piece of land in question has had no work done on it other than the yellow lines and
the parking meter. There is a long stretch of meters on the road out of Castleton towards Mam Tor,
the road has been there for some time. Just two of many that are not car parks but just money
makers. Sorry its OT, end of rant for me.

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Chris Gilbert <[email hidden]> wrote

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Bernie Hughes wrote

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In principle yes, it's a worthwhile exercise to spend money in rural places, even if just a paper
& some snacks out the local shop. But parking charges actively discourage this, so I doubt the
local community benefits much.

I honestly don't see that parking charges amount to a heap of beans. Even if it costs £5 to park my
car all day its only a couple of pints.

Where I have lunch every nearly every Thursday it would be 3 pints and a 50p tip!

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I've been trying to get my head 'round why such a small amount of money causes some people such a
problem. I wonder if a part of it is the fact that we are the walking generation that has seen our
hobby pass from one that is essentially free (beyond one or two essesntial bits of kit) to one that
is progressively being asked to contribute to the grander scheme of things. So, is this just a
transitional thing ?

If I had to pay £5 every week when I went walking it would cost me more in a year than I just paid
for a top of the range coat. That should last me about 9 or 10 years, and keep me warm and dry.

I think £2.50 or so is reasonable, more than that and it explains why many people park at the
roadside instead.
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Charles Frederick Wildgoose <[email hidden]> wrote

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Nick Pedley <[email hidden]> wrote

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I might just go to Stanton Lees and see what the Nine Ladies looks like before the quarry gets
reopened. Hmm, decisions, decisions!

The Nine Ladies won't be quarried away - it will still be there for a few more years yet. It's not
the most impressive stone circle either to be honest - though we like it. The stones are probably
only a foot or two above ground.

Charlie.

There was some work going n when we were last there, the stones were roped off, and it looked as
though netting paths were being laid to protect the grass.
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"Chris Gilbert" <[email hidden]> wrote in message

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I honestly don't see that parking charges amount to a heap of beans. Even if it costs £5 to park
my car all day its only a couple of pints. I've been trying to get my head 'round why such a
small amount of money causes some people such a problem.

It's not the money that matters, it's the principle. Paying extra for petrol in a rural station
isn't a problem, nor is the extra pound on a dusty bottle of plonk from the tiny spar a big deal
either. But I fail to see how the local community benefits from parking charges.

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I wonder if a part of it is the fact that we are the walking generation

that has seen our hobby

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pass from one that is essentially free (beyond one or two essesntial bits of kit) to one that is
progressively being asked to contribute to the grander scheme of things.

You might be, I was born in the 70's :-)

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Nick Pedley <[email hidden]> wrote

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I might just go to Stanton Lees and see what the Nine Ladies looks like before the quarry gets
reopened. Hmm, decisions, decisions!

The Nine Ladies won't be quarried away - it will still be there for a few more years yet. It's not
the most impressive stone circle either to be honest - though we like it. The stones are probably
only a foot or two above ground.

Charlie.

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Was there in December.. as I was on a circuit, I just found some laybys elsewhere on my route. The
pub and caff got the money.

There are plenty of places on the B road to the north. BTW the caff in the YH is pretty good in
the cake dept.

Richard Webb

Which YH do you mean, Ravenstor? Might pop in if it's open, am staying at Hartington Hall and
Ilam. As for parking near Monsal I might follow Trail's suggestion* and park in a lay-by... now
here's a point for you all to discuss! 'Should Trail magazine suggest the use of proper car parks
or lay-bys?'

And what does parking cost at Monsal Head anyway? (50p for one hour max last time I was there some
years ago).

Nick

*Their route diagram had arrows going the opposite way to the actual route guide, should I be
worried?! ;-)