Monbiot in the Grauniad

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An article by George Monbiot in the Grauniad which is mostly OK but
does seem to give the impression that cyclists suffer more from
pollution. Good, though, some nice colourful prose :-)

http://www.guardian.co.uk/Columnists/Column/0,5673,1605802,00.html

What are we to assume from the use of the word "carmakers" in the title when
it is the bus and truck makers who make the main culprit vehicles?

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Just zis Guy said:

An article by George Monbiot in the Grauniad which is mostly OK but
does seem to give the impression that cyclists suffer more from
pollution. Good, though, some nice colourful prose :-)

http://www.guardian.co.uk/Columnists/Column/0,5673,1605802,00.html

hmmn, his argument is weakened by resting partly on an assumption that
exposure to pollutants is lower in cars than outside them. It would
have stood without that point

best wishes
james

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An article by George Monbiot in the Grauniad which is mostly OK but
does seem to give the impression that cyclists suffer more from
pollution. Good, though, some nice colourful prose :-)

http://www.guardian.co.uk/Columnists/Column/0,5673,1605802,00.html

What are we to assume from the use of the word "carmakers" in the
title when it is the bus and truck makers who make the main culprit
vehicles?

That Matt B is a stooge of uk.tosspot?

There's this one today too: "I'm anti-car - even when I'm driving"

http://www.guardian.co.uk/g2/story/0,3604,1605722,00.html

" In fact I'm ideally poised to work as a sort of double agent, chiefly by
getting out there and giving motorists a bad name. My specialty is
inconsiderate driving... Only the other day someone was so astounded by my
lack of vehicular grace that he was moved to spit on my car. Cyclists: the
next time I cut you up, remember - I'm doing this for us. "

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An article by George Monbiot in the Grauniad which is mostly OK but
does seem to give the impression that cyclists suffer more from
pollution. Good, though, some nice colourful prose :-)

http://www.guardian.co.uk/Columnists/Column/0,5673,1605802,00.html

Guy
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"To every complex problem there is a solution which is
simple, neat and wrong" - HL Mencken

A good point about the recycling of old buses into tourist buses.
Within London the 'Big Bus Co' seem to buy up the buses no longer seen
as economic/efficient/safe/comfortable enough for regular bus routes
and then proceed to drive them round near empty.

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An article by George Monbiot in the Grauniad which is mostly OK but
does seem to give the impression that cyclists suffer more from
pollution. Good, though, some nice colourful prose :-)

http://www.guardian.co.uk/Columnists/Column/0,5673,1605802,00.html

What are we to assume from the use of the word "carmakers" in the
title when it is the bus and truck makers who make the main culprit
vehicles?

That Matt B is a stooge of uk.tosspot?

You think the title reflects the content?

"Soot" is mainly from old spec diesel engines, like those found in the
majority of buses.

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"Just zis Guy, you know?" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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> An article by George Monbiot in the Grauniad which is mostly OK but
> does seem to give the impression that cyclists suffer more from
> pollution. Good, though, some nice colourful prose :-)
>
> http://www.guardian.co.uk/Columnists/Column/0,5673,1605802,00.html

What are we to assume from the use of the word "carmakers" in the
title when it is the bus and truck makers who make the main culprit
vehicles?

That Matt B is a stooge of uk.tosspot?

You think the title reflects the content?

The titles of articles are often chosen to be catchy.
Often by subs, even in the days of direct input, and often
to the despair of the actual writers.
"Will they never stand up to the carmakers and save our lungs?"
sounds rather snappier than "Will they never stand up to the Bus
and Lorry Manufacturers and Bus Recyclers, and save our lungs? The
latter being the case with the Routemasters which feature strongly
in the article. In addition Monbiot makes the point that the car
manufacturers apparently tune their catalytic converters so as to
meet Govt benchmarks rather than actually lower emmissions as such.

<quote>

" In the laboratory, the converter in a modern car conforming
to the latest regulations appears to have an efficiency of more
than 99%. In the real world this falls to 72-75%. It looks as if
the manufacturers are designing their cars to respond to the
peculiarities of the government test, rather than to reduce
emissions on the road."

</quote>

michael adams

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"Soot" is mainly from old spec diesel engines, like those found in the
majority of buses.

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On Tue, 1 Nov 2005 16:47:40 -0000, "The Trollfinder General"
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What are we to assume from the use of the word "carmakers" in the
title when it is the bus and truck makers who make the main culprit
vehicles?

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That Matt B is a stooge of uk.tosspot?

No, just a troll. And an unusually dim one, if memory serves.

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simple, neat and wrong" - HL Mencken

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On Tue, 1 Nov 2005 16:47:40 -0000, "The Trollfinder General"
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What are we to assume from the use of the word "carmakers" in the
title when it is the bus and truck makers who make the main culprit
vehicles?

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That Matt B is a stooge of uk.tosspot?

No, just a troll. And an unusually dim one, if memory serves.

His stock reply, when seriously challenged, IIRC.

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On Tue, 1 Nov 2005 16:47:40 -0000, "The Trollfinder General"
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What are we to assume from the use of the word "carmakers" in the
title when it is the bus and truck makers who make the main culprit
vehicles?

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That Matt B is a stooge of uk.tosspot?

No, just a troll. And an unusually dim one, if memory serves.

His stock reply, when seriously challenged, IIRC.

--
Matt B

Matt B said:

"Soot" is mainly from old spec diesel engines, like those found in the
majority of buses.

"Soot" is also the term I'd use to describe the black cloud of smoke
that came out of the back of a new Alfa Romeo TD something that passed
me this morning, as it changed down and floored it: and that wasn't the
first time I've seem modern diesels do that. What is it? Some kind of
waste-gate bypass valve or summit?

Matt B said:

"Soot" is mainly from old spec diesel engines, like those found in the
majority of buses.

"Soot" is also the term I'd use to describe the black cloud of smoke
that came out of the back of a new Alfa Romeo TD something that passed
me this morning, as it changed down and floored it: and that wasn't the
first time I've seem modern diesels do that. What is it? Some kind of
waste-gate bypass valve or summit?