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  1. concerns have been raised on other groups about the problems
    encountered when councils etc use a new type of winter salt.

    It seems one has additives , which although they help when it is icy
    can leave the road surface slippery.

    has anyone any experience.

    So far in Kirklees i have 2 cyclists falling off at the same point on
    different days, one motorcyclist in similar state and am aware the
    the problem occurs from north to south.

    I think we need to try and collate data to prompt an investigation ,
    if there is a by product we need to react before someone is seriously
    hurt.

    martyn

  2. Martyn Bolt said:

    concerns have been raised on other groups about the problems
    encountered when councils etc use a new type of winter salt.

    It seems one has additives , which although they help when it is icy
    can leave the road surface slippery.

    has anyone any experience.

    So far in Kirklees i have 2 cyclists falling off at the same point on
    different days, one motorcyclist in similar state and am aware the
    the problem occurs from north to south.

    I think we need to try and collate data to prompt an investigation ,
    if there is a by product we need to react before someone is seriously
    hurt.

    martyn

    I am in Ipswich and have noticed that the roads have been slipper this
    year. On two occasions I have noticed that my front wheel has slipped when
    making right turns. I commented to a friend that I thought this was the
    case and they said that the council were using an additive with the salt
    that is supposed to reduce salt damage to the road surface.

    It seams to me that traction is reduced during wet warm conditions.

    John T.

  3. Quoted message said:

    I think we need to try and collate data to prompt an investigation ,
    if there is a by product we need to react before someone is seriously
    hurt.

    Why do we think it's slippery - is there a link to some tests?

  4. "Mark Thompson"
    <pleasegivegenerously@warmmail*_turn_up_the_heat_to_reply*.com> wrote in
    message news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    I think we need to try and collate data to prompt an investigation ,
    if there is a by product we need to react before someone is seriously
    hurt.

    Why do we think it's slippery - is there a link to some tests?

    not enough rain but enough moisture to leave the [censored] on the road, a good
    downpour should clear it away.

    cheers
    Jon_H

  5. Martyn Bolt said:

    concerns have been raised on other groups about the problems
    encountered when councils etc use a new type of winter salt.

    It seems one has additives , which although they help when it is icy
    can leave the road surface slippery.

    has anyone any experience.

    This was mentioned on cam.transport earlier this winter, apparently
    the same stuff was used last year and they promised not to do it
    again after a spate of accidents involving cyclists. In Cambridge,
    where 25% of residents commute to work by bicycle, one would
    think cyclist safety should be particularly high on the agenda, but
    generally they do what suits 'em.

    See this link for more:

    http://groups.google.co.uk/group/cam.transport/browse_frm/thread/4a8ada0e100f3c62

    Quoted message said:

    So far in Kirklees i have 2 cyclists falling off at the same point on
    different days, one motorcyclist in similar state and am aware the
    the problem occurs from north to south.

    I think we need to try and collate data to prompt an investigation ,
    if there is a by product we need to react before someone is seriously
    hurt.

    I locked my front wheel twice last week in dry conditions (once when
    riding near the edge of a cycle lane, once in the main carriageway)
    and had a slightly unnerving cornering experience where it felt like
    the front wheel was right on the limit. All in Cambridge. I do hope
    they've not returned to using molasses.

    Simon

  6. Martyn Bolt said:

    concerns have been raised on other groups about the problems
    encountered when councils etc use a new type of winter salt.

    It seems one has additives , which although they help when it is icy
    can leave the road surface slippery.

    has anyone any experience.

    it seems to me that my local council are salting[1] a *lot* more since
    that time the highways agency got caught out on the M11 a couple of
    years back. Perhaps the relative dryness of this winter means that the
    salt hangs around for longer. Anecdotally I have lowsided twice on
    coners this winter and can think of several incidents where one end or
    other has slipped at quite low speeds. Goodness knows how one would go
    about translating this self-selecting sample into anything meaningful
    though

    best wishes
    james

    [1] I do not know if they are using a different mixture

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