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  1. PRIVATE EYE - MMR MEAN TESTING

    MMR Number crunching

    £10m Extra needed to see the parents' legal case through to conclusion

    £10m Cost of lifetime care for three or four severely autistic or brain-damaged children

    £20m Public cost of maintaining the empty Greenwich dome

    £137m Cost so far of the Bloody Sunday inquiry

    PRIVATE EYE 17 October - 30 October 2003 MMR MEAN TESTING

    The decision to withdraw legal aid for the 1,000-plus families who believe their children were
    damaged by MMR came just as the lawyers for the families obtained what they believe is their most
    striking evidence of a link between the triple jab and the autism and brain damage suffered by
    the children.

    Measles virus has been found in the spinal fluid - and therefore the brain
    - in three of the six children at the centre of the huge high court battle over the safety of the
    vaccine. It has also been found in 18 children in the United States who developed autism after
    receiving MMR.

    By contrast the virus was found in only one of more than 20 control samples
    - taken mainly from spinal taps on children with leukaemia.

    Just as the results came in, however, the legal services commission announed its decision - after
    four and a half years and only six months before trial - to withdraw funding ''because medical
    research has yet to prove a conclusive link''.

    Jeremy Stuart-Smith, QC for the families, told the high court last week that the legal aid decision
    was ''flawed'' and likely to be judicially reviewed. Clearly frustrated by this setback, he
    described to Mr Justice Keith, who was due to hear the case next April, how the families had got
    this far ''against all odds''. He accused the defendant drug companies, with their ''huge''
    resources, of laying down obstacles and ''a trail of litigation treacle'' through which families
    were forced to wade.

    Not least, the drug companies' lawyers had even tried to stop the spinal tests by seeking an
    injunction banning them as ''invasive and unethical''. As it was, the families were forced to go to
    the US for the spinal taps because every hospital they approached in Britain, whether private of
    NHS, refused. The reasons for rejection were, said Mr Stuart-Smith, ''from the perfectly reasonable
    to the near incredible''. One hospital which had provisionally agreed to do the work suddenly
    withdrew at the 11th hour.

    The QC descibed how ''with a determination that could only be admired'' Alexander Harris, the firm
    of solicitors acting for the families, had found a hospital in the US that was prepared to help. At
    very short notice - and with extreme difficulty - the severely disabled children and their parents
    and carers flew to the US where ''every conceivable obstacle'' was put in their way.

    As the parents have since revealed, within hours of landing in Michigan the hospital which had
    agreed to test the children suddenly announced it was no longer prepared to. Using contacts involved
    in US drug litigation, the families found a private clinic and sympathetic anaesthetist willing to
    carry out the tests , just two hours away. But they were nearly thwarted again when the defendant
    drug companies made an emergency application to the high court in London for an injunction.

    The high court judge declined to grant an injunction; but the tests were delayed a couple of hours
    so the pharmaceutical companies could send a doctor. In the event they sent a lawyer instead.

    Relieved but exhausted, the parents and children then went to the airport to catch their flight back
    to the UK armed with their precious samples, carefully stored in a special container. It was then
    that US customs stepped in and quizzed the party about their cargo. One parent told the Eye they
    were even asked about the ethics of invasive tests on their children, suggesting the officials were
    well briefed. On their stopover in Amsterdam they were questioned again by Dutch officials.
    Coincidence? The parents don't think so.

    The families believe their efforts have been vital. As Mr Stuart-Smith said last week: ''The
    contrast between three positive results for measles from the six lead cases, the real candidates for
    proving that MMR causation exists, and one positive of the leukemic patients, is striking.''

    The results of course need more investigation. For a start, the drug companies contest the
    ''positive'' findings (although they are using different testing techniques, and sensitivity to
    measles virus is very variable). But neither that crucial investigation - nor any other work to
    settle the case one way or another - is going to go ahead without legal aid. The drug companies and
    government are clearly not going to do it. The case has cost £15m so far and could be concluded for
    another £10m (see panel).

    Mr Justice Keith, who was due to hear the case in April, has said on several occasions that the case
    is important not only for the children involved but the wider public. For it to continue, the
    families are now in the ludicrous position of having to go cap in hand to the legal services
    commission to get funding for more lawyers to fight a costly judicial review of the commission's
    decision to withdraw legal aid in the first place.

  2. "john" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    PRIVATE EYE - MMR MEAN TESTING

    MMR Number crunching

    £10m Extra needed to see the parents' legal case through to conclusion

    £10m Cost of lifetime care for three or four severely autistic or brain-damaged children

    But the assumption that autism is caused by MMR is unproven and not supported by the evidence. And
    it is extremely rare when brain damage is caused by MMR. However, measles causes brain damage in
    about 1 out of 2000 victims.

    So this is a very good reason to get MMR. It saves lots of money caring for kids damaged by
    measles virus.

    Jeff

    (...)

  3. "john" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    PRIVATE EYE - MMR MEAN TESTING

    MMR Number crunching

    £10m Extra needed to see the parents' legal case through to conclusion

    £10m Cost of lifetime care for three or four severely autistic or brain-damaged children

    (...)

    Considering that MMR has never been shown to cause autism and that the evidence is against this
    idea, this is stupid. However, considering that measles causes brain damage in about 1 in 2000
    cases, you do make a good argument for MMR vaccination.

    Thanks.

    Jeff

  4. "john" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    PRIVATE EYE - MMR MEAN TESTING

    MMR Number crunching

    £10m Extra needed to see the parents' legal case through to conclusion

    £10m Cost of lifetime care for three or four severely autistic or brain-damaged children

    £20m Public cost of maintaining the empty Greenwich dome

    £137m Cost so far of the Bloody Sunday inquiry

    PRIVATE EYE 17 October - 30 October 2003 MMR MEAN TESTING

    The decision to withdraw legal aid for the 1,000-plus families who believe their children were
    damaged by MMR came just as the lawyers for the families obtained what they believe is their most
    striking evidence of a link between the triple jab and the autism and brain damage suffered by


    the

    Quoted message said:

    children.

    Measles virus has been found in the spinal fluid - and therefore the brain
    - in three of the six children at the centre of the huge high court battle over the safety of the
    vaccine. It has also been found in 18 children in the United States who developed autism after
    receiving MMR.

    By contrast the virus was found in only one of more than 20 control


    samples

    Quoted message said:

    - taken mainly from spinal taps on children with leukaemia.

    Just as the results came in, however, the legal services commission announed its decision - after
    four and a half years and only six months before trial - to withdraw funding ''because medical
    research has yet to prove a conclusive link''.

    Jeremy Stuart-Smith, QC for the families, told the high court last week that the legal aid
    decision was ''flawed'' and likely to be judicially reviewed. Clearly frustrated by this setback,
    he described to Mr Justice Keith, who was due to hear the case next April, how the families had
    got this far ''against all odds''. He accused the defendant drug companies, with their ''huge''
    resources, of laying down obstacles and ''a trail of litigation treacle'' through which families
    were forced to wade.

    Not least, the drug companies' lawyers had even tried to stop the spinal tests by seeking an
    injunction banning them as ''invasive and unethical''. As it was, the families were forced to go
    to the US for the spinal taps because every hospital they approached in Britain, whether private
    of NHS, refused. The reasons for rejection were, said Mr Stuart-Smith, ''from the perfectly
    reasonable to the near incredible''. One hospital which had provisionally agreed to do the work
    suddenly withdrew at the 11th hour.

    The QC descibed how ''with a determination that could only be admired'' Alexander Harris, the firm
    of solicitors acting for the families, had


    found

    Quoted message said:

    a hospital in the US that was prepared to help. At very short notice - and with extreme difficulty
    - the severely disabled children and their parents and carers flew to the US where ''every
    conceivable obstacle'' was put in their way.

    As the parents have since revealed, within hours of landing in Michigan


    the

    Quoted message said:

    hospital which had agreed to test the children suddenly announced it was


    no

    Quoted message said:

    longer prepared to. Using contacts involved in US drug litigation, the families found a private
    clinic and sympathetic anaesthetist willing to carry out the tests , just two hours away. But they
    were nearly thwarted again when the defendant drug companies made an emergency application to the
    high court in London for an injunction.

    The high court judge declined to grant an injunction; but the tests were delayed a couple of hours
    so the pharmaceutical companies could send a doctor. In the event they sent a lawyer instead.

    Relieved but exhausted, the parents and children then went to the airport to catch their flight
    back to the UK armed with their precious samples, carefully stored in a special container. It was
    then that US customs stepped in and quizzed the party about their cargo. One parent told the


    Eye

    Quoted message said:

    they were even asked about the ethics of invasive tests on their children, suggesting the
    officials were well briefed. On their stopover in Amsterdam they were questioned again by Dutch
    officials. Coincidence? The parents don't think so.

    The families believe their efforts have been vital. As Mr Stuart-Smith


    said

    Quoted message said:

    last week: ''The contrast between three positive results for measles from the six lead cases, the
    real candidates for proving that MMR causation exists, and one positive of the leukemic patients,
    is striking.''

    The results of course need more investigation. For a start, the drug companies contest the
    ''positive'' findings (although they are using different testing techniques, and sensitivity to
    measles virus is very variable). But neither that crucial investigation - nor any other work to
    settle the case one way or another - is going to go ahead without legal aid. The drug companies
    and government are clearly not going to do it. The case has cost £15m so far and could be
    concluded for another £10m (see


    panel).

    Quoted message said:


    Mr Justice Keith, who was due to hear the case in April, has said on several occasions that the
    case is important not only for the children involved but the wider public. For it to continue, the
    families are now in the ludicrous position of having to go cap in hand to the legal services
    commission to get funding for more lawyers to fight a costly judicial review of the commission's
    decision to withdraw legal aid in the first


    place.

    Performing lumbar punctures on these children was clearly unethical. LP is an invasive procedure
    which puts the patients at risks that are not negligible. Complications of lumbar puncture include
    brain herniation, spinal headache, nerve root injury, infection, and formation of an epidermoid
    tumor. When the procedure is indicated, the benefit to the patient, i.e., diagnosis of a treatable
    condition, must be weighed against these risks. In this case, the children were put at risk without
    any conceivable benefit for the children, but to promote the political agenda of the parents and
    their anti-vaccination backers. Note that the risks of undergoing a lumbar puncture are far greater
    than the risks of getting an
    MMR. For that matter, The risks these children were exposed to just driving to the airport for this
    Quixotic saga were greater than those involved in getting an MMR.

    Sad that.

    --Rich

  5. Excellent example on what they are doing with mmr and all vaccines & drugs. Covering up, lying, etc.
    The idea they are looking for the truth over mmr is laughable, even more so when you know 99% of the
    population or pyjama people, think they are looking for it. Kids last, as usual, business & power
    first, as usual

    john

    [email hidden] (john) wrote in message
    news:<[email hidden]>...

    Quoted message said:

    PRIVATE EYE - MMR MEAN TESTING

    MMR Number crunching

    £10m Extra needed to see the parents' legal case through to conclusion

    £10m Cost of lifetime care for three or four severely autistic or brain-damaged children

    £20m Public cost of maintaining the empty Greenwich dome

    £137m Cost so far of the Bloody Sunday inquiry

    PRIVATE EYE 17 October - 30 October 2003 MMR MEAN TESTING

    The decision to withdraw legal aid for the 1,000-plus families who believe their children were
    damaged by MMR came just as the lawyers for the families obtained what they believe is their most
    striking evidence of a link between the triple jab and the autism and brain damage suffered by the
    children.

    Measles virus has been found in the spinal fluid - and therefore the brain
    - in three of the six children at the centre of the huge high court battle over the safety of the
    vaccine. It has also been found in 18 children in the United States who developed autism after
    receiving MMR.

    By contrast the virus was found in only one of more than 20 control samples
    - taken mainly from spinal taps on children with leukaemia.

    Just as the results came in, however, the legal services commission announed its decision - after
    four and a half years and only six months before trial - to withdraw funding ''because medical
    research has yet to prove a conclusive link''.

    Jeremy Stuart-Smith, QC for the families, told the high court last week that the legal aid
    decision was ''flawed'' and likely to be judicially reviewed. Clearly frustrated by this setback,
    he described to Mr Justice Keith, who was due to hear the case next April, how the families had
    got this far ''against all odds''. He accused the defendant drug companies, with their ''huge''
    resources, of laying down obstacles and ''a trail of litigation treacle'' through which families
    were forced to wade.

    Not least, the drug companies' lawyers had even tried to stop the spinal tests by seeking an
    injunction banning them as ''invasive and unethical''. As it was, the families were forced to go
    to the US for the spinal taps because every hospital they approached in Britain, whether private
    of NHS, refused. The reasons for rejection were, said Mr Stuart-Smith, ''from the perfectly
    reasonable to the near incredible''. One hospital which had provisionally agreed to do the work
    suddenly withdrew at the 11th hour.

    The QC descibed how ''with a determination that could only be admired'' Alexander Harris, the firm
    of solicitors acting for the families, had found a hospital in the US that was prepared to help.
    At very short notice - and with extreme difficulty - the severely disabled children and their
    parents and carers flew to the US where ''every conceivable obstacle'' was put in their way.

    As the parents have since revealed, within hours of landing in Michigan the hospital which had
    agreed to test the children suddenly announced it was no longer prepared to. Using contacts
    involved in US drug litigation, the families found a private clinic and sympathetic anaesthetist
    willing to carry out the tests , just two hours away. But they were nearly thwarted again when the
    defendant drug companies made an emergency application to the high court in London for an
    injunction.

    The high court judge declined to grant an injunction; but the tests were delayed a couple of hours
    so the pharmaceutical companies could send a doctor. In the event they sent a lawyer instead.

    Relieved but exhausted, the parents and children then went to the airport to catch their flight
    back to the UK armed with their precious samples, carefully stored in a special container. It was
    then that US customs stepped in and quizzed the party about their cargo. One parent told the Eye
    they were even asked about the ethics of invasive tests on their children, suggesting the
    officials were well briefed. On their stopover in Amsterdam they were questioned again by Dutch
    officials. Coincidence? The parents don't think so.

    The families believe their efforts have been vital. As Mr Stuart-Smith said last week: ''The
    contrast between three positive results for measles from the six lead cases, the real candidates
    for proving that MMR causation exists, and one positive of the leukemic patients, is striking.''

    The results of course need more investigation. For a start, the drug companies contest the
    ''positive'' findings (although they are using different testing techniques, and sensitivity to
    measles virus is very variable). But neither that crucial investigation - nor any other work to
    settle the case one way or another - is going to go ahead without legal aid. The drug companies
    and government are clearly not going to do it. The case has cost £15m so far and could be
    concluded for another £10m (see panel).

    Mr Justice Keith, who was due to hear the case in April, has said on several occasions that the
    case is important not only for the children involved but the wider public. For it to continue, the
    families are now in the ludicrous position of having to go cap in hand to the legal services
    commission to get funding for more lawyers to fight a costly judicial review of the commission's
    decision to withdraw legal aid in the first place.

  6. "Rich Shewmaker" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:


    ..> Performing lumbar punctures on these children was clearly unethical. LP is

    Quoted message said:

    an invasive procedure which puts the patients at risks that are not negligible. Complications of
    lumbar puncture include brain herniation, spinal headache, nerve root injury, infection, and
    formation of an epidermoid tumor. When the procedure is indicated, the benefit to the patient,
    i.e., diagnosis of a treatable condition, must be weighed against these risks. In this case, the
    children were put at risk without any conceivable benefit for the children, but to promote the
    political agenda


    of

    Quoted message said:

    the parents and their anti-vaccination backers. Note that the risks of undergoing a lumbar
    puncture are far greater than the risks of getting an
    MMR. For that matter, The risks these children were exposed to just


    driving

    Quoted message said:

    to the airport for this Quixotic saga were greater than those involved in getting an MMR.

    Sad that.

    --Rich

    It is even sadder that they possibly using these kids as pawns and NOT getting them good therapy.
    They are miusing and possibly ignoring the kids for their political agenda.

  7. Rich Shewmaker said:
    Quoted message said:

    MMR Number crunching

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  8. Complimernting your own posting, eh John?

    "john" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    Excellent example on what they are doing with mmr and all vaccines & drugs. Covering up, lying,
    etc. The idea they are looking for the truth over mmr is laughable, even more so when you know 99%
    of the population or pyjama people, think they are looking for it. Kids last, as usual, business &
    power first, as usual

    john

    [email hidden] (john) wrote in message


    news:<[email hidden]>...

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    PRIVATE EYE - MMR MEAN TESTING

    MMR Number crunching

    £10m Extra needed to see the parents' legal case through to conclusion

    £10m Cost of lifetime care for three or four severely autistic or


    brain-damaged

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    children

    £20m Public cost of maintaining the empty Greenwich dome

    £137m Cost so far of the Bloody Sunday inquiry

    PRIVATE EYE 17 October - 30 October 2003 MMR MEAN TESTING

    The decision to withdraw legal aid for the 1,000-plus families who


    believe

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    their children were damaged by MMR came just as the lawyers for the families obtained what they
    believe is their most striking evidence of a link between the triple jab and the autism and
    brain damage suffered by


    the

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    children.

    Measles virus has been found in the spinal fluid - and therefore the


    brain

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    - in three of the six children at the centre of the huge high court


    battle

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    over the safety of the vaccine. It has also been found in 18 children in the United States who
    developed autism after receiving MMR.

    By contrast the virus was found in only one of more than 20 control


    samples

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    - taken mainly from spinal taps on children with leukaemia.

    Just as the results came in, however, the legal services commission announed its decision -
    after four and a half years and only six months before trial - to withdraw funding ''because
    medical research has yet to prove a conclusive link''.

    Jeremy Stuart-Smith, QC for the families, told the high court last week that the legal aid
    decision was ''flawed'' and likely to be judicially reviewed. Clearly frustrated by this
    setback, he described to Mr Justice Keith, who was due to hear the case next April, how the
    families had got this far ''against all odds''. He accused the defendant drug companies, with
    their ''huge'' resources, of laying down obstacles and ''a trail of litigation treacle'' through
    which families were forced to wade.

    Not least, the drug companies' lawyers had even tried to stop the spinal tests by seeking an
    injunction banning them as ''invasive and


    unethical''.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    As it was, the families were forced to go to the US for the spinal taps because every hospital
    they approached in Britain, whether private of


    NHS,

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    refused. The reasons for rejection were, said Mr Stuart-Smith, ''from


    the

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    perfectly reasonable to the near incredible''. One hospital which had provisionally agreed to do
    the work suddenly withdrew at the 11th hour.

    The QC descibed how ''with a determination that could only be admired'' Alexander Harris, the
    firm of solicitors acting for the families, had


    found

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    a hospital in the US that was prepared to help. At very short notice -


    and

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    with extreme difficulty - the severely disabled children and their


    parents

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    and carers flew to the US where ''every conceivable obstacle'' was put


    in

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    their way.

    As the parents have since revealed, within hours of landing in Michigan


    the

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    hospital which had agreed to test the children suddenly announced it was


    no

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    longer prepared to. Using contacts involved in US drug litigation, the families found a private
    clinic and sympathetic anaesthetist willing to carry out the tests , just two hours away. But
    they were nearly thwarted again when the defendant drug companies made an emergency application
    to the high court in London for an injunction.

    The high court judge declined to grant an injunction; but the tests were delayed a couple of
    hours so the pharmaceutical companies could send a doctor. In the event they sent a lawyer
    instead.

    Relieved but exhausted, the parents and children then went to the


    airport

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    to catch their flight back to the UK armed with their precious samples, carefully stored in a
    special container. It was then that US customs stepped in and quizzed the party about their
    cargo. One parent told the


    Eye

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    they were even asked about the ethics of invasive tests on their


    children,

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    suggesting the officials were well briefed. On their stopover in


    Amsterdam

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    they were questioned again by Dutch officials. Coincidence? The parents don't think so.

    The families believe their efforts have been vital. As Mr Stuart-Smith


    said

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    last week: ''The contrast between three positive results for measles


    from

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    the six lead cases, the real candidates for proving that MMR causation exists, and one positive
    of the leukemic patients, is striking.''

    The results of course need more investigation. For a start, the drug companies contest the
    ''positive'' findings (although they are using different testing techniques, and sensitivity to
    measles virus is very variable). But neither that crucial investigation - nor any other work


    to

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    settle the case one way or another - is going to go ahead without legal aid. The drug companies
    and government are clearly not going to do it.


    The

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    case has cost £15m so far and could be concluded for another £10m (see


    panel).

    Quoted message said:
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    Mr Justice Keith, who was due to hear the case in April, has said on several occasions that the
    case is important not only for the children involved but the wider public. For it to continue,
    the families are now


    in

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    the ludicrous position of having to go cap in hand to the legal services commission to get
    funding for more lawyers to fight a costly judicial review of the commission's decision to
    withdraw legal aid in the first


    place.

  9. "john" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Excellent example on what they are doing with mmr and all vaccines & drugs. Covering up, lying,
    etc. The idea they are looking for the truth over mmr is laughable, even more so when you know 99%
    of the population or pyjama people, think they are looking for it. Kids last, as usual, business &
    power first, as usual

    I totally agree. The nitwit (John) who wrote the original message and the ntiwit who is quoted below
    (Private eye article) are lying. They are saying that autism is caused by MMR, when the evidence is
    extremely poor that it is caused by MMR. And the evidence that MMR does not cause autism is very
    good. The prepunderance of evidence shows that autism is not caused by MMR. I am sad that these
    people put their fear-mongoring over children.

    And I total agree that their search for the truth about MMR would be laughable, if kids did not die
    from measles.

    Jeff

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    john

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    PRIVATE EYE - MMR MEAN TESTING

    MMR Number crunching

    £10m Extra needed to see the parents' legal case through to conclusion

    £10m Cost of lifetime care for three or four severely autistic or


    brain-damaged

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    children

    £20m Public cost of maintaining the empty Greenwich dome

    £137m Cost so far of the Bloody Sunday inquiry

    PRIVATE EYE 17 October - 30 October 2003 MMR MEAN TESTING

    The decision to withdraw legal aid for the 1,000-plus families who


    believe

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    their children were damaged by MMR came just as the lawyers for the families obtained what they
    believe is their most striking evidence of a link between the triple jab and the autism and
    brain damage suffered by


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    children.

    Measles virus has been found in the spinal fluid - and therefore the


    brain

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    - in three of the six children at the centre of the huge high court


    battle

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    over the safety of the vaccine. It has also been found in 18 children in the United States who
    developed autism after receiving MMR.

    By contrast the virus was found in only one of more than 20 control


    samples

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    - taken mainly from spinal taps on children with leukaemia.

    Just as the results came in, however, the legal services commission announed its decision -
    after four and a half years and only six months before trial - to withdraw funding ''because
    medical research has yet to prove a conclusive link''.

    Jeremy Stuart-Smith, QC for the families, told the high court last week that the legal aid
    decision was ''flawed'' and likely to be judicially reviewed. Clearly frustrated by this
    setback, he described to Mr Justice Keith, who was due to hear the case next April, how the
    families had got this far ''against all odds''. He accused the defendant drug companies, with
    their ''huge'' resources, of laying down obstacles and ''a trail of litigation treacle'' through
    which families were forced to wade.

    Not least, the drug companies' lawyers had even tried to stop the spinal tests by seeking an
    injunction banning them as ''invasive and


    unethical''.

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    As it was, the families were forced to go to the US for the spinal taps because every hospital
    they approached in Britain, whether private of


    NHS,

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    refused. The reasons for rejection were, said Mr Stuart-Smith, ''from


    the

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    perfectly reasonable to the near incredible''. One hospital which had provisionally agreed to do
    the work suddenly withdrew at the 11th hour.

    The QC descibed how ''with a determination that could only be admired'' Alexander Harris, the
    firm of solicitors acting for the families, had


    found

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    a hospital in the US that was prepared to help. At very short notice -


    and

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    with extreme difficulty - the severely disabled children and their


    parents

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    and carers flew to the US where ''every conceivable obstacle'' was put


    in

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    their way.

    As the parents have since revealed, within hours of landing in Michigan


    the

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    hospital which had agreed to test the children suddenly announced it was


    no

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    longer prepared to. Using contacts involved in US drug litigation, the families found a private
    clinic and sympathetic anaesthetist willing to carry out the tests , just two hours away. But
    they were nearly thwarted again when the defendant drug companies made an emergency application
    to the high court in London for an injunction.

    The high court judge declined to grant an injunction; but the tests were delayed a couple of
    hours so the pharmaceutical companies could send a doctor. In the event they sent a lawyer
    instead.

    Relieved but exhausted, the parents and children then went to the


    airport

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    to catch their flight back to the UK armed with their precious samples, carefully stored in a
    special container. It was then that US customs stepped in and quizzed the party about their
    cargo. One parent told the


    Eye

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    they were even asked about the ethics of invasive tests on their


    children,

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    suggesting the officials were well briefed. On their stopover in


    Amsterdam

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    they were questioned again by Dutch officials. Coincidence? The parents don't think so.

    The families believe their efforts have been vital. As Mr Stuart-Smith


    said

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    last week: ''The contrast between three positive results for measles


    from

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    the six lead cases, the real candidates for proving that MMR causation exists, and one positive
    of the leukemic patients, is striking.''

    The results of course need more investigation. For a start, the drug companies contest the
    ''positive'' findings (although they are using different testing techniques, and sensitivity to
    measles virus is very variable). But neither that crucial investigation - nor any other work


    to

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    settle the case one way or another - is going to go ahead without legal aid. The drug companies
    and government are clearly not going to do it.


    The

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    case has cost £15m so far and could be concluded for another £10m (see


    panel).

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    Mr Justice Keith, who was due to hear the case in April, has said on several occasions that the
    case is important not only for the children involved but the wider public. For it to continue,
    the families are now


    in

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    the ludicrous position of having to go cap in hand to the legal services commission to get
    funding for more lawyers to fight a costly judicial review of the commission's decision to
    withdraw legal aid in the first


    place.

  10. "Markasurus Probertasaurus" <[email hidden]> wrote in
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    Complimernting your own posting, eh John?

    Guess he forgot to change the name.

    Does anyone have a FAQ on using sock puppets we can send him?

  11. (Ilsa9) said:
    *m said:
    Rich Shewmaker said:

    > MMR Number crunching

    May I add some news from Austria :

    Could you repost the conclusion of those numbers in English for us?

    Sorry, I'm linguistically challenged!

    Dear Mrs. Ilsa9, I am sorry, I am paperly challenged. I asked the office in Vienna to send me the
    brochure, but it has not arrived yet.

    I gave all the details from a web-page, so people who are interested can try to get that
    brochure directly.

    Such analyses are very interesting. I don't know of others. So I am very keen on reading that one.
    We wanted to make statistics, but we got stuck as other work [1] piled up...

    Regards,

    Aribert Deckers

    [1] ariplex.comama gmt1.htm
    and lots of other investigations...
    --
    Homöopathisches Akutmittel bei Asthma

    ariplex.comama akut.htm

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