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  1. "jean-yves hervé" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    In article said:

    Lance was 13 seconds down on McGhee at the halfway stage(IIRC) according to Eurosport!

    He was 9" down on Millar 4" down on McGhee and Ullrich

    At the end he is

    7" on McGhee and Millar 5" down on Ullrich

    What's this story about a LA crash in the prologue?

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    How times have changed,4 of the top 13 finsihers are US cyclists.

    For me the number that screams "how times have changed" is the


    number of

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    Belgians in the TdF this year: 8 only!

    8!!!??? Jeez,I am surprised.

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    Now, who were the biggest flops in this Prologue? I would say

    135 Christophe Moreau @ 37"
    71 Alexandre Vinokourov @ 25"
    64 Aitor Gonzalez @ 23"
    172 Axel Merckx @ 43"
    41 Iban Mayo @ 19"

    Yeah,the Moreau time is poor.

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  2. "DaveG" <DaveG@Yah_Boo.com> wrote in :"]news:[email hidden]:

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    Ahhh,F***!(chain slipped apparently)

    That's what Millar gets for riding for a cursed team. Cofidis caused Lance to get cancer, VDB to go
    crazy, and Kivelev . . .

    But there was another Cofidis rider who changed bikes after riding off the ramp. They must hire
    their mechanics by finding kids who will work for phone cards. Can't remember which race (classic I
    think) it was earlier this year, but I think Nico Mattan's chain broke.

    Too bad for DM -- this can't be a good way to start for someone who is so mentally fragile.

    NS

  3. Wayne Pein <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

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    Robert Chung said:

    "DaveG" <DaveG@Yah_Boo.com> wrote in message "]news:[email hidden]...

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    Ahhh,F***!(chain slipped apparently) Lance is off the pace(purposely??) McGhee wins yellow in
    the Prologue.

    I happened to be standing at the 700m to go mark and Miller's chain came off right in front of
    me. I had been keeping track of the time splits and Miller passed me 7 seconds ahead of
    McGee's time.

    Did it come off due to bouncing from cobbles? I'd be surprised if he was shifting between rings. I
    didn't think that was necessary.

    Wayne

    It's his own fault. He opted to ride without a front changer. This pic shows it clearly:

    grahamwatson.com8.jpg

    -Amit

  4. The stories I read indicate he took it off himself against his DS' advice. Suddenly I remember all
    of the stories about his mechanical naiveté.

    "Amit" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Wayne Pein <[email hidden]> wrote in message


    news:<[email hidden]>...

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    Robert Chung said:

    "DaveG" <DaveG@Yah_Boo.com> wrote in message "]news:[email hidden]...
    > Ahhh,F***!(chain slipped apparently) Lance is off the pace(purposely??) McGhee wins yellow
    > in the Prologue.

    I happened to be standing at the 700m to go mark and Miller's chain


    came off

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    right in front of me. I had been keeping track of the time splits and


    Miller

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    passed me 7 seconds ahead of McGee's time.

    Did it come off due to bouncing from cobbles? I'd be surprised if he was shifting between rings.
    I didn't think that was necessary.

    Wayne

    It's his own fault. He opted to ride without a front changer. This pic shows it clearly:

    grahamwatson.com8.jpg

    -Amit

  5. "Amit" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    It's his own fault. He opted to ride without a front changer. This pic shows it clearly:

    grahamwatson.com8.jpg

    Excellent eye. I never bought the other explanations. This puts the world right again: Millar is
    Millar's own worst enemy.

  6. "Amit" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    It's his own fault. He opted to ride without a front changer. This pic shows it clearly:

    grahamwatson.com8.jpg

    Goddamm.

    What a dumbass.

    To his credit, at least he didn't uphold the UK tradition of crashing.

  7. Nev Shea said:

    "DaveG" <DaveG@Yah_Boo.com> wrote in :"]news:[email hidden]:

    Quoted message said:

    Ahhh,F***!(chain slipped apparently)

    That's what Millar gets for riding for a cursed team. Cofidis caused Lance to get cancer, VDB to go
    crazy, and Kivelev . . .

    But there was another Cofidis rider who changed bikes after riding off the ramp. They must hire
    their mechanics by finding kids who will work for phone cards. Can't remember which race (classic I
    think) it was earlier this year, but I think Nico Mattan's chain broke.

    Too bad for DM -- this can't be a good way to start for someone who is so mentally fragile.

    NS


    In yesterday's TdF preview in The (Glasgow) Herald Millar says, "I've not had the best of luck with
    accidents, illness, or injuries but luck changes, doesn't it?"........

    Regards! Stephen

  8. "Nick Burns" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    The stories I read indicate he took it off himself against his DS' advice.

    Where did you read this?

    JT

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  9. Nev Shea said:

    Can't remember which race (classic I think) it was earlier this year, but I think Nico Mattan's
    chain broke.

    Yes, in the Amstel Gold Race on one of the many hills, Nico Mattan's chain dropped off his
    chainring. He almost had half the péleton smack into him because he suddenly slowed down that much.

    --
    Mathias De Belder

  10. Mathias De Belder said:
    Wayne Pein said:

    Did it come off due to bouncing from cobbles? I'd be surprised if he was shifting between rings.
    I didn't think that was necessary.

    French television interviewed him after his prologue, and between all the puffs and gasps for air
    and all his disappointment, he murmured something in French about it happening quite regularly that
    the chain would drop off the outer plate. "It's a problem with our plateaux." he kept repeating.

    The commentators speculated that yes, it was probably because of the cobbles. Then again, I haven't
    seen a similar problem for any other rider, so he might just have been very unlucky today...

    At least he didn't throw his bike on the side and give up like he did in Spain last year...

  11. In article <[email hidden]>, "Kurgan Gringioni"

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    "Amit" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    It's his own fault. He opted to ride without a front changer. This pic shows it clearly:

    grahamwatson.com8.jpg

    Goddamm.

    What a dumbass.

    To his credit, at least he didn't uphold the UK tradition of crashing.

    You can also see the lack of a changer in this shot:

    cyclingnews.comtour.php

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    remove YOUR SHOES to reply, k?

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  12. I will think it was on the OLNTV site, either Phil or Paul's "recap" article.

    "John Forrest Tomlinson" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    "Nick Burns" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    The stories I read indicate he took it off himself against his DS' advice.

    Where did you read this?

    JT

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  13. DaveG' DaveG@Yah_Boo.com said:

    "Kyle Legate" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:
    DaveG said:

    Lance is off the pace(purposely??)


    No, not purposely. Why is it that when Lance doesn't win, you people


    think

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    he lost on purpose?

    hehehe-'cos he's the king of bluff merchants!! Remember?? I don't think he was today of course but
    the possibility remains nonetheless.

    According to Chris Carmichael, Bruyneel had instructed all USP riders to ride all out to ensure they
    were leading team come the TTT - leading team starts last.

    Regards! Stephen

  14. inconnu said:


    Qui si parla Campagnolo said:

    mathias-<< he murmured something in French about it happening quite regularly that the chain
    would drop off the outer plate. "It's a problem with our plateaux >><BR><BR>

    what's a 'plateaux'??


    more properly:

    Plateau == chain ring (noun singular) Plateaux == chain rings (noun plural)

    The strict translation is ~Plate~ but when used to cycling parlance it (usually) refers to chain
    rings of which there are (again usually) two: grand plateau (outer/big) and petit plateau
    (inner/small)

    And in English, plate usually refers to a spoke protector.

  15. inconnu said:


    Qui si parla Campagnolo said:

    mathias-<< he murmured something in French about it happening quite regularly that the chain
    would drop off the outer plate. "It's a problem with our plateaux >><BR><BR>


    More Sour Grapes:

    [Quoting EuroSport]

    Millar looked set to win yesterday's prologue but his chain broke near the end of the race. He
    finished second, 0.8 seconds behind McGee. "It was not a problem with my chain ring, it was a
    problem with my team," an unhappy-looking Millar said at today's start. "Alain Bondue chooses the
    team's equipment so it's his problem. It all falls on his head and he has to take
    responsibility."

    Pathetic

  16. David Ryan said:
    inconnu said:
    Qui si parla Campagnolo said:

    mathias-<< he murmured something in French about it happening quite regularly that the chain
    would drop off the outer plate. "It's a problem with our plateaux >><BR><BR>


    More Sour Grapes:

    [Quoting EuroSport]

    Millar looked set to win yesterday's prologue but his chain broke near the end of the race. He
    finished second, 0.8 seconds behind McGee. "It was not a problem with my chain ring, it was a
    problem with my team," an unhappy-looking Millar said at today's start. "Alain Bondue chooses the
    team's equipment so it's his problem. It all falls on his head and he has to take
    responsibility."

    Pathetic


    yeah pathetic. What? 5 of 9 riders had chain issues on Cofidis during the Prolog.. yep pathetic...

  17. Fred Marx said:


    David Ryan said:
    inconnu said:

    On Sun, 06 Jul 2003 12:56:21 +0000, Qui si parla Campagnolo wrote:

    >mathias-<< he murmured something in French about it happening quite regularly that the chain
    >would drop off the outer plate. "It's a problem with our plateaux >><BR><BR>
    >
    >
    More Sour Grapes:

    [Quoting EuroSport]

    Millar looked set to win yesterday's prologue but his chain broke near the end of the race. He
    finished second, 0.8 seconds behind McGee. "It was not a problem with my chain ring, it was a
    problem with my team," an unhappy-looking Millar said at today's start. "Alain Bondue chooses
    the team's equipment so it's his problem. It all falls on his head and he has to take
    responsibility."

    Pathetic

    yeah pathetic. What? 5 of 9 riders had chain issues on Cofidis during the Prolog.. yep pathetic...

    I've been known to remove a ti bottle cage. It's still pathetic.

  18. Holy [censored] that kid has a mouth on him!

    Quoted message said:

    [Quoting EuroSport] "It was not a problem with my chain ring, it was a problem with my team," an
    unhappy-looking Millar said at today's start. "Alain Bondue chooses the team's equipment so it's
    his problem. It all falls on his head and he has to take responsibility."

  19. I wonder if a chain is more likely to fall off of a modern ramped chainring (which is designed to
    allow a smooth slip to the small ring off of certain teeth) than an old-fashioned ring with uniform
    teeth (like a track ring).

    Usually when my chainring falls completely off I can shift it back on with the front derailleur.
    Alas. --Shayana Kadidal

  20. "David Ryan" <[email hidden]> wrote in message

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:


    Plateau == chain ring (noun singular) Plateaux == chain rings (noun plural)

    And in English, plate usually refers to a spoke protector.

    I always thought of a chainring as a plate and a spoke protector as a pie (pan) plate.

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