Milk: It Does A Body Good

I don't like milk due to the huge amt of lactose in it and nowadays all
the [censored] that comes w/ it makes it even less desirable. U would
beleive the [censored] that the hay the avg. dairy eats is sprayed w/, and
since it's not a manufacured food supplement the dairy farmers don't
have to disclose it. For me, milk is one quick ticket to bodyfat.
Besides the greatest substance in the world developed by a freakin
genuis named Dr John Zeigler is better than calcium for
osteoporosis...clinically proven.

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I don't like milk due to the huge amt of lactose in it and nowadays all
the [censored] that comes w/ it makes it even less desirable. U would
beleive the [censored] that the hay the avg. dairy eats is sprayed w/, and
since it's not a manufacured food supplement the dairy farmers don't
have to disclose it. For me, milk is one quick ticket to bodyfat.
Besides the greatest substance in the world developed by a freakin
genuis named Dr John Zeigler is better than calcium for
osteoporosis...clinically proven.

Your obsessive fascination with Dianabol is duly noted. However, I
was talking about net muscle protein synthesis from different amino
acid sources, not calcium.

And before you get too cranked up in D-bol ecstacy, it would be
valuable for you to remember that your state classifies anabolic
steroids, including methandrostenolone, as Schedule II controlled
substances.[1] Possession is still a Class A misdemeanor.[2] That
means up to a year in jail and $1,000 fine.[3,4] And I doubt you can
convince Rick Collins to drive that far upstate to represent you.

Keep in mind that Pete is from the Netherlands, where anabolic
steroids are handed out like M&Ms. He faces no legal risk for using
them. Your Internet exuberance, to the extent of setting up a Yahoo!
forum, puts you significantly more in jeopardy.

Chill, Skippy.

[1] New York State Consolidated Laws: Public Health §3306
[2] New York State Consolidated Laws: Penal §220.03
[3] New York State Consolidated Laws: Penal §70.15
[4] New York State Consolidated Laws: Penal §80.05

JMWhat-an-ass said:

"[email hidden]" <[email hidden]> wrote:

[...]

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

the greatest substance in the world developed by a freakin
genuis named Dr John Zeigler is better than calcium for
osteoporosis...clinically proven.

Your obsessive fascination with Dianabol is duly noted. However, I
was talking about net muscle protein synthesis from different amino
acid sources, not calcium.

And before you get too cranked up in D-bol ecstacy, it would be
valuable for you to remember that your state classifies anabolic
steroids, including methandrostenolone, as Schedule II controlled
substances.[1] Possession is still a Class A misdemeanor.[2] That
means up to a year in jail and $1,000 fine.[3,4] And I doubt you can
convince Rick Collins to drive that far upstate to represent you.

Keep in mind that Pete is from the Netherlands, where anabolic
steroids are handed out like M&Ms. He faces no legal risk for using
them. Your Internet exuberance, to the extent of setting up a Yahoo!
forum, puts you significantly more in jeopardy.

Chill, Skippy.

[1] New York State Consolidated Laws: Public Health §3306
[2] New York State Consolidated Laws: Penal §220.03
[3] New York State Consolidated Laws: Penal §70.15
[4] New York State Consolidated Laws: Penal §80.05

No one comes to Usenet. If anyone drops a dime on "Skippy" I suspect
it'd be you. I mean, are you demonizing steroids, attempting to exert
some control over the Zeigler fan, or other?

--
Curt
http://curtjames.com/

JMW said:

Elliot TA, Cree MG, Sanford AP, Wolfe RR, Tipton KD. Milk ingestion
stimulates net muscle protein synthesis following resistance
exercise. Med Sci Sports Exerc. 2006 Apr;38(4):667-74.

Interesting stuff. It seems research increasingly indicates that we should
forget all this smartarse nutrition stuff and stick to the food our
grandparents ate!

That said, it seems the 'isocaloric' fat-free milk was more or less as
good as the whole milk; whole milk is better for threonine, isocaloric
milk slightly better for phenylalanine, and we don't know about the other
amino acids. I don't have full text access right now, so i don't know how
they made it isocaloric, but i would guess by adding carbohydrates.
Doesn't that suggest that the beneficial effect of whole milk is to do
with boosting insulin levels or something, as with the protein +
carbohydrate combination, rather than some specific effect of fat?

Quoted message said:

http://tinyurl.com/fuv77

Your tinyurl expands to a not-so-tiny URL which references your query
history, and so isn't quite as useful to us as it is to you. This one:

http://tinyurl.com/qaq7l

Expands to this:

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=pubmed&dopt=Abstract&list_uids=16679981

Which should be handier if anyone else wants to use it.

tom

--
We discovered in Nature's work a pattern of sloppiness, indifference to
basic scholarly standards, and flagrant errors so numerous they completely
invalidated the results. -- Encyclopaedia Britannica

Tom Anderson said:

JMW said:

Elliot TA, Cree MG, Sanford AP, Wolfe RR, Tipton KD. Milk ingestion
stimulates net muscle protein synthesis following resistance
exercise. Med Sci Sports Exerc. 2006 Apr;38(4):667-74.

Interesting stuff. It seems research increasingly indicates that we should
forget all this smartarse nutrition stuff and stick to the food our
grandparents ate!

That said, it seems the 'isocaloric' fat-free milk was more or less as
good as the whole milk; whole milk is better for threonine, isocaloric
milk slightly better for phenylalanine, and we don't know about the other
amino acids. I don't have full text access right now, so i don't know how
they made it isocaloric, but i would guess by adding carbohydrates.
Doesn't that suggest that the beneficial effect of whole milk is to do
with boosting insulin levels or something, as with the protein +
carbohydrate combination, rather than some specific effect of fat?

I don't think so. "Isocaloric" means "equal in calories," but it's
not really a reference to equality of macronutrients in each; it just
means the same number of calories in each bolus. That's why you need
393 grams of skim milk to equal the same calories as 237 grams of
whole milk. Fat has more than twice as many calories as protein and
carbohydrates.

And that's the really odd part. The 237 grams of skim milk already
had a higher protein and carbohydrate content than the 237 grams of
whole milk. The 393 grams of skim milk had *much* more protein and
carbohydrate. Yet the results were what they were.

And I realize that they only measured a couple of amino acids. I will
see if can pick up the whole article to determine why. I don't have
online access to that journal, but if I have the time, I can copy it
at the local college library.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

http://tinyurl.com/fuv77

Your tinyurl expands to a not-so-tiny URL which references your query
history, and so isn't quite as useful to us as it is to you. This one:

http://tinyurl.com/qaq7l

Expands to this:

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=pubmed&dopt=Abstract&list_uids=16679981

Which should be handier if anyone else wants to use it.

I can never figure out how to do that. Mine came through my weekly
PubCrawler email notice, but I don't know how to the get the URL of
the abstract alone. Can you explain?

Bring it on. Since I only use HOMEBREW [censored] it's gonna be VERY hard to
positively indentify anything and NO prosecutor is gonna authorize a
series of tests costing a serious amt of $$ to prove a personal use amt
is anything illegal.

Copy & paste this to the DEA...Mr DEA I use
steroids!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Here's one of the biggest > Steroid.com....but then again I'm sure u
already know about that one huh...

"[email hidden]" <[email hidden]> wrote:

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Bring it on. Since I only use HOMEBREW [censored] ...

"Homebrew"? If you're saying that you "homebrew" recognized anabolic
steroids from non-controlled steroids, you're lying. I've spent too
much time around Pat Arnold to buy into that.

If you're saying that you "homebrew" injectable anabolic steroids from
exempt anabolic steroids, the only way that anybody does that is to
cook out the trenbolone acetate from Finaplix® cattle implants, or
maybe the testesterone propionate from Synovex-H® cattle implants,
which will leave you with some extra estradiol, too. But neither of
those is methandrostenolone, which is what you have been blathering
about endlessly.

If you're saying that you "homebrew" injectables from
methandrostenolone tablets, so what? Either way, it's a controlled
substance. In fact, cooking it into an injectable is more likely to
get you noticed than occasionally taking a tablet from a well-hidden
container.

Quoted message said:

it's gonna be VERY hard to
positively indentify anything and
NO prosecutor is gonna authorize a
series of tests costing a serious amt
of $$ to prove a personal use amt
is anything illegal.

Testing is usually up to the police agency. If you're a real [censored],
they'll spend the money solely out of spite, but they probably won't
need to do that, anyway. All they need to do is submit it to the New
York State Police forensic science section:

http://www.troopers.state.ny.us/Forensic%5FScience/Lab%5FSections/Drug%5FChemistry/

All the lab needs is a known standard, then run them both through
their GC mass spec process.

Don't believe everything you read in the web forums.

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Copy & paste this to the DEA...Mr DEA I use
steroids!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

The DEA doesn't give a [censored] about you. The Monroe County folks might.
Can you imagine how stupid you'll feel if you find out that they
cut-and-pasted that into the probable cause affidavit for a search
warrant?

But, hey, I'm just trying to tell you that your obsessive enthusiasm
is making you reckless, and thus putting you more at risk. You do
whatever you want.

JMW said:

Tom Anderson said:

JMW said:

Elliot TA, Cree MG, Sanford AP, Wolfe RR, Tipton KD. Milk ingestion
stimulates net muscle protein synthesis following resistance
exercise. Med Sci Sports Exerc. 2006 Apr;38(4):667-74.

That said, it seems the 'isocaloric' fat-free milk was more or less as
good as the whole milk; whole milk is better for threonine, isocaloric
milk slightly better for phenylalanine, and we don't know about the other
amino acids. I don't have full text access right now, so i don't know how
they made it isocaloric, but i would guess by adding carbohydrates.
Doesn't that suggest that the beneficial effect of whole milk is to do
with boosting insulin levels or something, as with the protein +
carbohydrate combination, rather than some specific effect of fat?

I don't think so. "Isocaloric" means "equal in calories," but it's
not really a reference to equality of macronutrients in each; it just
means the same number of calories in each bolus. That's why you need
393 grams of skim milk to equal the same calories as 237 grams of
whole milk. Fat has more than twice as many calories as protein and
carbohydrates.

Okay, i completely misunderstood this when i read the abstract. I thought
the isocaloric milk was skimmed milk that they'd doctored to make it
pint-for-pint isocaloric with whole milk; actually, it's just skimmed
milk, but a larger volume, so the whole dose is isocaloric. My bad.

Quoted message said:

And that's the really odd part. The 237 grams of skim milk already had
a higher protein and carbohydrate content than the 237 grams of whole
milk.

Only slightly.

Quoted message said:

The 393 grams of skim milk had *much* more protein and carbohydrate.
Yet the results were what they were.

Quite. From the paper:

Milk Dose Energy Carbs Fat Protein
(g) (kJ) (g) (g) (g)

skimmed 237 377 12.3 0.6 8.8
whole 237 627 11.4 8.2 8.0
isocal 393 626 20.4 1.0 14.5

Anyway, they look at glucose and insulin levels, and they're the same
across all three milks, so it's not that. They also look at blood amino
acid levels, and they claim those are unaffected by milk type too,
although the graph does show a slight difference between whole or
isocaloric and skimmed for threonine, so it's not that either. There's
presumably a higher level of fatty acids in the blood, but they don't seem
keen on the idea. So it's all a big mystery.

There is a bit of a worry that the result's an artifact of the selection
of the subject groups, which they discuss; the skimmed milk group had more
women, and according to their table, a much lower average body mass (59.7
vs 81.2 or 80.5 kg for the other groups) and strength (1RM of 75.7 vs
116.7 or 121.5 kg). I don't know if that's really a worry, though.

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And I realize that they only measured a couple of amino acids. I will
see if can pick up the whole article to determine why.

I've only skimmed it, but they don't seem to give an explicit reason. They
do mention that phenylalanine and threonine are essential, and can't be
oxidised by muscle, which i presume means any changes in the level across
the leg must be due to their incorporation into protein, which would make
them good reporters of protein synthesis. The fact that they report
differently is a bit perplexing, though!

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

http://tinyurl.com/fuv77

Your tinyurl expands to a not-so-tiny URL which references your query
history, and so isn't quite as useful to us as it is to you. This one:

http://tinyurl.com/qaq7l

Expands to this:

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=pubmed&dopt=Abstract&list_uids=16679981

Which should be handier if anyone else wants to use it.

I can never figure out how to do that. Mine came through my weekly
PubCrawler email notice, but I don't know how to the get the URL of
the abstract alone. Can you explain?

I just put the title into the pubmed search box, then clicked on the
appropriate result. I don't use PubCrawler myself, so i'm not sure what
you should do. PubMed can be really irritating when it comes to linking, i
have to say.

tom

--
Eat + Read + Learn = Word

Loser....as I said...Bring it ON!

JMWoot-woot-woot-goes-the-troll-alarm
<[email hidden]> wrote:

re basically anyone who disagrees with him

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You're a dumbass newbie who knows nothing about me.
I like that. It amuses me.

heh

And you are amusing to others in turn. Interesting.

--
Curt
http://curtjames.com/

JMWouldn't-trust-this-legal-assistant-for-a-second
<[email hidden]> wrote:

[...]

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But, hey, I'm just trying to tell you that your obsessive enthusiasm
is making you reckless, and thus putting you more at risk. You do
whatever you want.

JMW makes errors in fact, posts URLs to nowhere, creates what he must
believe to be annoying images and then posts them to Usenet, argues
with patrons of this ng he has labeled as trolls even though he's
directed others to ignore those very same patrons, and seems to be a
jerk in general. You do whatever you want? I don't think so.

Given his seemingly abrasive and controlling personality, I'd move my
home-brew lab if I were you. Best of luck in dealing with Emmy.

--
Curt
http://curtjames.com/

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Bro if the "monroe county folks" have nothing better to do than waste
the taxpayer's time than screw w/ me then let 'em. I'm sure they have
plenty to do than mess w/ some chickenshit internet loser's [censored]
accusations. Steroids rank so far down the list on the avg. narco
priorities that they'll probly just laugh at the [censored]. I don't have a
lab, when I need juice I buy a kit and make it.

<heh> "Bro" ... the sure sign of web forum toughguy.

Why the hell are you blathering about D-bol, then? If you're one of
the "kit" boyz, then you're one of those dorks cooking tren out of
cattle implants. Don't you know the difference? How stupid do you
think the people in this newsgroup are, Skippy?

I read some of the Power Factor Training [censored] you posted in t-mag
forums, and they think you're an idiot. So you came here and tried to
pretend that you're an expert on training and ergogenic drugs, maybe
because you heard that all the "experts" left MFW. Here's a clue:
there's still a few of us who know what we're talking and who
recognize those who don't. You're one of those who don't.

BTW, toughguy, if you're only a short while away from being a BB
champion, why don't you post a pic? That's the standard MFW
challenge.

JMWhat-a-jerk said:

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Bro <snip>

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<heh> "Bro" ... the sure sign of web forum toughguy.

Differentiate "Bro" from "Skippy" and I'll give you a cookie.

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<snip> How stupid do you think the people in this
newsgroup are, Skippy?

Well, that's difficult to determine, however a number DO interact with
you.

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<snip> and they think you're an idiot. <snip>

A few here (at least) think you're an idiot as well, Em.

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BTW, toughguy,

Oh! Variation on a theme...

Calling someone "toughguy" ... the sure sign of an MFW jerk.

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if you're only a short while away from being a BB champion,
why don't you post a pic? That's the standard MFW challenge.

Yeah, and you're the standard MFW dumbass. Isn't that what you threw
at the OP? Here he is, a visitor looking for someone to swap posts
with and maybe learn something in the process. Pete steps up with
personal experience and knowledge and then you start in with your -
what I can only assume is - fake ass elephant [censored] concern. :o)

Do they have rocks in your part of Ohio? If so, would you please crawl
under one?

TIA.

--
Curt
http://curtjames.com/

JMWafer-thin-skinflint said:

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Loser,

Hanson, is that you? ;o)

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I never posted I am an expert anywhere.

True, iirc. PFT30K said as much in his posts with Pete. Again, PF
seems to me like someone looking for info and to exchange a few posts
with. That's what I thought the purpose of ngs was. But, no, this turd
Williams takes offense. Grow a carapace, John.

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I'm 5'8,

HA! Still taller than Brink. Oh, Will, you can grow a thicker skin,
too. And listen to some rap music for a change. What's in your CD or
Mp3 player - The Best of the Carpenters? The Essential Gene Autry?
Hmm, I actually have both of those, but also Ludacris, Nelly, Missy
Elliott, the Ying Yang Twins, Tupac, David Banner, and some smokin'
Fishbone.

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220lbs at around 14% bf currently
which is a helluva lot better than ur [censored] ass.

Well, Emmy has you on height, I believe and his nose probably weighs
220lbs, so...

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You sound like a butterball.

What's your bf percentage there, John Williams?

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As I said...bring it on.

U won't cuz ur a [censored] hiding behind a worn out PC.

I do believe you have him assessed rather accurately, PF.

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U R SO TUFF BRO!!!! LOL!!!!

PF, this IS him bringing it on. This is *all* he's got. A few bits of
namecalling - butterball, dumbass, etc. - and perhaps he'll trot out
some more personal information gleaned from his obsessive Internet
searches for a perceived point of weakness. Oh, he might even say
you're becoming hysterical. But if you simply ignore him and devote
your time to the positive aspects and people in this ng then you'll be
much better off.

Ya know, this ng has always had Emmy it seems. Unfortunately, he is
currently unusually persistent in his mean-spiritedness; he appears to
be truly dedicated to destroying the newsgroup or forcing newsgroup
discussion to conform to his preconceived ideals.

Ignoring the jerk might be the best way to efficiently and effectively
isolate JMW while retaining valuable and/or entertaining newsgroup
discussion.

....

Now that sounds somehow familiar. Hmm.

Anyway, enjoy MFW for what it is: A useful resource and a fun
gathering place for like-minded individuals (and, yeah, some
not-so-like-minded folk too).

--
Curt
http://curtjames.com/

Curt,
I checked out ur cj.com page and I largely agree w/ U...esp. in us
assessment of a certain lifeless loser. Thanks for the support!

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Curt,
I checked out ur cj.com page <snip> Thanks for the support!

Cool. Thanks for the visit and you're welcome for the support.

Best wishes in your training.

--
Curt
http://curtjames.com/

Fish! said:

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<snip>There is nothing wrong with the youth of today.

...that selling them drugs wont fix.

Ritalin, etc. included, of course.

--
Curt
http://curtjames.com/