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  1. Two different questions but maybe linked..

    Is it good to have milk as part of your diet? Does it contain too much fat?
    Even semi-skimmed? I'm drinking at least a pint of semi-skimmed a day.

    Also I'm a skinny guy (6'2" 75kg) but with a big pot belly, I'm making good
    improvement with the amount I can lift and I'm generally looking more
    muscular, however my stomach is as big if not bigger than ever. Does this
    indicate too much fat in my diet or is it just something I have to put up
    with until I've put a good bit of muscle on. Although more defined I'm still
    pretty skinny elsewhere.

    I think my diet is generally good, 5 meals a day, apart from the milk and
    the odd bit of butter I can't think where else I get much fat from.

    Any thoughts?

    W.

  2. Well_I_Wonder said:

    Two different questions but maybe linked..

    Is it good to have milk as part of your diet? Does it contain too
    much fat? Even semi-skimmed? I'm drinking at least a pint of
    semi-skimmed a day.

    Milk is good unless you have some medical issue with it (intolerance). You
    don't. If you're really worried about it having too many calories you can
    always go for skimmed milk.

    Quoted message said:

    Also I'm a skinny guy (6'2" 75kg) but with a big pot belly, I'm
    making good improvement with the amount I can lift and I'm generally
    looking more muscular, however my stomach is as big if not bigger
    than ever. Does this indicate too much fat in my diet or is it just
    something I have to put up with until I've put a good bit of muscle
    on. Although more defined I'm still pretty skinny elsewhere.

    Fat in diet doesn't mean much. Except that too little fat in your diet means
    problems: some fatty stuff is required for your body to work properly, use
    google. Fish oils, that sort of thing. And too little fat is associated with
    low testosterone levels. On the other hand trans-fats (mainly found in
    processed food, look at labels) are probably not good news.

    Quoted message said:

    I think my diet is generally good, 5 meals a day, apart from the milk
    and the odd bit of butter I can't think where else I get much fat
    from.

    So you probably should put some olive oil, oily fish or nuts or that sort of
    thing in your diet. You should know this by now having used google...

    If you want to lose weight, you need to cut your calories overall. Which
    means eat less, particularly carbs (you're probably eating a lot of sugary /
    starchy stuff). That will make your belly get smaller. Cutting all the fat
    out of your diet will not, it'll just make you unhealthy. But you're my
    weight, I'm three inches shorter than you, and I am not exactly muscular. So
    you might want to learn to squat and deadlift and do that for a bit before
    you think about losing your belly (you'll find it hard to put on muscle and
    lose your belly at the same time, do one then the other).

    Peter

  3. "Peter Allen" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:
    Well_I_Wonder said:

    Two different questions but maybe linked..

    Is it good to have milk as part of your diet? Does it contain too
    much fat? Even semi-skimmed? I'm drinking at least a pint of
    semi-skimmed a day.

    Milk is good unless you have some medical issue with it (intolerance). You
    don't. If you're really worried about it having too many calories you can
    always go for skimmed milk.

    Quoted message said:

    Also I'm a skinny guy (6'2" 75kg) but with a big pot belly, I'm
    making good improvement with the amount I can lift and I'm generally
    looking more muscular, however my stomach is as big if not bigger
    than ever. Does this indicate too much fat in my diet or is it just
    something I have to put up with until I've put a good bit of muscle
    on. Although more defined I'm still pretty skinny elsewhere.

    Fat in diet doesn't mean much. Except that too little fat in your diet
    means
    problems: some fatty stuff is required for your body to work properly, use
    google. Fish oils, that sort of thing. And too little fat is associated
    with
    low testosterone levels. On the other hand trans-fats (mainly found in
    processed food, look at labels) are probably not good news.

    Quoted message said:

    I think my diet is generally good, 5 meals a day, apart from the milk
    and the odd bit of butter I can't think where else I get much fat
    from.

    So you probably should put some olive oil, oily fish or nuts or that sort
    of
    thing in your diet. You should know this by now having used google...

    If you want to lose weight, you need to cut your calories overall. Which
    means eat less, particularly carbs (you're probably eating a lot of sugary
    /
    starchy stuff). That will make your belly get smaller. Cutting all the fat
    out of your diet will not, it'll just make you unhealthy. But you're my
    weight, I'm three inches shorter than you, and I am not exactly muscular.
    So
    you might want to learn to squat and deadlift and do that for a bit before
    you think about losing your belly (you'll find it hard to put on muscle
    and
    lose your belly at the same time, do one then the other).

    Peter

    Hi,

    Thanks both, PV I do a bit of cycling rather than running, more short bursts
    up hills than long calorie burning runs though, don't know if this helps but
    it seems to be strengthening my legs at least.

    Peter, I eat almonds and pine nuts several times a week, I also eat quite a
    lot of tuna, does that count as oily fish?

    Up until now I was concentrating on bench presses, flys, rows, curls etc to
    improve the look of my upper body and arms. Recently I just started doing
    both squats and deadlifts, which I find really satisfying as I can feel them
    working almost my entire body, though my thighs are aching a lot at from
    them, is that normal?!

    Thanks!

    W.

  4. Well_I_Wonder said:

    "Peter Allen" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    Well_I_Wonder said:

    Two different questions but maybe linked..

    Is it good to have milk as part of your diet? Does it contain too
    much fat? Even semi-skimmed? I'm drinking at least a pint of
    semi-skimmed a day.

    Milk is good unless you have some medical issue with it
    (intolerance). You don't. If you're really worried about it having
    too many calories you can always go for skimmed milk.

    Quoted message said:

    Also I'm a skinny guy (6'2" 75kg) but with a big pot belly, I'm
    making good improvement with the amount I can lift and I'm generally
    looking more muscular, however my stomach is as big if not bigger
    than ever. Does this indicate too much fat in my diet or is it just
    something I have to put up with until I've put a good bit of muscle
    on. Although more defined I'm still pretty skinny elsewhere.

    Fat in diet doesn't mean much. Except that too little fat in your
    diet means
    problems: some fatty stuff is required for your body to work
    properly, use google. Fish oils, that sort of thing. And too little
    fat is associated with
    low testosterone levels. On the other hand trans-fats (mainly found
    in processed food, look at labels) are probably not good news.

    Quoted message said:

    I think my diet is generally good, 5 meals a day, apart from the
    milk and the odd bit of butter I can't think where else I get much
    fat from.

    So you probably should put some olive oil, oily fish or nuts or that
    sort of
    thing in your diet. You should know this by now having used google...

    If you want to lose weight, you need to cut your calories overall.
    Which means eat less, particularly carbs (you're probably eating a
    lot of sugary /
    starchy stuff). That will make your belly get smaller. Cutting all
    the fat out of your diet will not, it'll just make you unhealthy.
    But you're my weight, I'm three inches shorter than you, and I am
    not exactly muscular. So
    you might want to learn to squat and deadlift and do that for a bit
    before you think about losing your belly (you'll find it hard to put
    on muscle and
    lose your belly at the same time, do one then the other).

    Peter, I eat almonds and pine nuts several times a week, I also eat
    quite a lot of tuna, does that count as oily fish?

    Tuna isn't really an oily fish, but if you eat a lot then it'll do (and it
    depends what sort of tuna).

    http://www.aafp.org/afp/20040701/133.html

    might be worth looking at.

    Quoted message said:

    Up until now I was concentrating on bench presses, flys, rows, curls
    etc to improve the look of my upper body and arms. Recently I just
    started doing both squats and deadlifts, which I find really
    satisfying as I can feel them working almost my entire body, though
    my thighs are aching a lot at from them, is that normal?!

    Yes.

    Peter

  5. Well_I_Wonder said:

    Two different questions but maybe linked..

    Is it good to have milk as part of your diet? Does it contain too much fat?
    Even semi-skimmed? I'm drinking at least a pint of semi-skimmed a day.

    Skim milk has none.

    Quoted message said:


    Also I'm a skinny guy (6'2" 75kg) but with a big pot belly, I'm making good
    improvement with the amount I can lift and I'm generally looking more
    muscular, however my stomach is as big if not bigger than ever. Does this
    indicate too much fat in my diet or is it just something I have to put up
    with until I've put a good bit of muscle on. Although more defined I'm still
    pretty skinny elsewhere.

    I think my diet is generally good, 5 meals a day, apart from the milk and
    the odd bit of butter I can't think where else I get much fat from.

    Any thoughts?

    W.

    What do you eat?

  6. Overall very good points.

    Salmon is excellent. Nuts/seeds excellent. Rice is an exceptional
    starch/grain, naturally "calorie limiting", an excellent protein, altho not
    a very "dense" protein.

    Tough call, tho: skinny w/ a pot belly, or EFA deficiency.... hmmmmmm.....
    🙂

    The clean/jerk (and variations thereof), and the squat are considered by
    many to be among the single best whole body exercises one can do. They can
    also burn a goodly amount of calories, esp. in tall people,due to the large
    vertical lift.
    ----------------------------
    Mr. P.V.'d
    formerly Droll Troll
    "Peter Allen" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    Well_I_Wonder said:

    "Peter Allen" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    Well_I_Wonder wrote:
    > Two different questions but maybe linked..
    >
    > Is it good to have milk as part of your diet? Does it contain too
    > much fat? Even semi-skimmed? I'm drinking at least a pint of
    > semi-skimmed a day.

    Milk is good unless you have some medical issue with it
    (intolerance). You don't. If you're really worried about it having
    too many calories you can always go for skimmed milk.

    > Also I'm a skinny guy (6'2" 75kg) but with a big pot belly, I'm
    > making good improvement with the amount I can lift and I'm generally
    > looking more muscular, however my stomach is as big if not bigger
    > than ever. Does this indicate too much fat in my diet or is it just
    > something I have to put up with until I've put a good bit of muscle
    > on. Although more defined I'm still pretty skinny elsewhere.

    Fat in diet doesn't mean much. Except that too little fat in your
    diet means
    problems: some fatty stuff is required for your body to work
    properly, use google. Fish oils, that sort of thing. And too little
    fat is associated with
    low testosterone levels. On the other hand trans-fats (mainly found
    in processed food, look at labels) are probably not good news.

    > I think my diet is generally good, 5 meals a day, apart from the
    > milk and the odd bit of butter I can't think where else I get much
    > fat from.

    So you probably should put some olive oil, oily fish or nuts or that
    sort of
    thing in your diet. You should know this by now having used google...

    If you want to lose weight, you need to cut your calories overall.
    Which means eat less, particularly carbs (you're probably eating a
    lot of sugary /
    starchy stuff). That will make your belly get smaller. Cutting all
    the fat out of your diet will not, it'll just make you unhealthy.
    But you're my weight, I'm three inches shorter than you, and I am
    not exactly muscular. So
    you might want to learn to squat and deadlift and do that for a bit
    before you think about losing your belly (you'll find it hard to put
    on muscle and
    lose your belly at the same time, do one then the other).

    Peter, I eat almonds and pine nuts several times a week, I also eat
    quite a lot of tuna, does that count as oily fish?

    Tuna isn't really an oily fish, but if you eat a lot then it'll do (and it
    depends what sort of tuna).

    http://www.aafp.org/afp/20040701/133.html

    might be worth looking at.

    Quoted message said:

    Up until now I was concentrating on bench presses, flys, rows, curls
    etc to improve the look of my upper body and arms. Recently I just
    started doing both squats and deadlifts, which I find really
    satisfying as I can feel them working almost my entire body, though
    my thighs are aching a lot at from them, is that normal?!

    Yes.

    Peter

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