Mileometer!!

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Whats the machine called that you attach to oneself that
tells you the distance that one has run !

The simple one: Pedometer.

The high-tech one: GPS

gary <[email hidden]> writes:
: Whats the machine called that you attach to oneself that
: tells you the distance that one has run ! Gaz

GPS?

The machine in question is called a car.

TopCounsel said:

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Whats the machine called that you attach to oneself that
tells you the distance that one has run !

The simple one: Pedometer.

The high-tech one: GPS

The other high-tech one:
<http://www.kit4fit.co.uk/nike_speed_distance.html>

Unlike a pedometer it does NOT just compute distance as a
multiple of footsteps - apparently it integrates
acceleration. Unfortunately it's just as expensive as a GPS.

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you the

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distance that one has run !

The simple one: Pedometer.

And they are useless for accuracy

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The high-tech one: GPS

And these are somewhat useful to useless depending on make
and model. If you running on roads use you car and rough in
the mileage.

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Doug Freese "Caveat Lector" [email hidden]
(remove the NOBS)

Are these good for running, & accurate, as strides differ during running as
opposed to walking!
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gary <[email hidden]> writes:
: Whats the machine called that you attach to oneself that
: tells you the distance that one has run ! Gaz

GPS?

Hi Dough,

on 4/30/2004 4:03 AM Doug Freese said:

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The high-tech one: GPS

And these are somewhat useful to useless depending on make
and model. If you running on roads use you car and rough
in the mileage.

No Dough, don't use your car. Take your bike and enjoy
the trip ;-))

Martin

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The high-tech one: GPS

And these are somewhat useful to useless depending on make
and model.

[sorry, Doug, but your post ironically provided a convenient
hook to bring up another issue 😉]

... and antenna, position where you put the gps, canopy
cover and whether leaves are wet, whether the satellite gods
are smiling on you, etc.

I've mentioned a couple times previously about the
spatial/temporal configuration of the satellites having a
large effect on value of gps aka "whether satellite gods are
smiling" (I use 'em at work so I've a need-to-know beyond
the running issues). There are programs that can "forecast"
(like the weather and perhaps with same reliability 😉 the
configurations for your locations based on information
that's downloaded from the almanac (about 30 days) on the
satellites. I bugged our gis folks on Fri to show me what
the outputs looked like.

The program can display a sky view of the satellites, just
like what appears on your gps, but for some time in the near
future. It can also tell you number of satellites probably
visible and a PDOP (not sure of what it stands for), which
is an indication of how useful they are (generally try to
get that less than 3, is what our gis folks told me). That
is, if you only have 5 satellites, but they are in one
corner of the sky or in a line, that isn't great. However,
if you have 5 satellites, but they scattered across the sky,
that might be better than more satellites with a poor
configuration. On the screen shot at this url (Anchorage,
April 30), the bright pink time slots are the best (just
before noon and about 1-2pm); the bright green areas are
very poor (about 9am, 6pm-ish).
home.att.netindex.htmlOpen ↗

For instance, had I gone running at 9am and didn't know
about these configuration issues (I've been very aware
of these issues from work), I probably would complain
about what a piece of junk these gps's are since I
probably would've had poor tracking. But I went running
at 6:30-8:30 pm (mostly because I was working late in
lab, but conveniently this does correspond to the time
of my next race, assuming field work not in way), and
got a beautfil track.

FWIW, on the long runs where I've used the GPS (Etrex vista
or 12XL) and gotten good tracking, I attach it near top of
cb with a diagonal upward view toward sky. It would probably
be better on very top or on shoulder (attach to strap) so it
would be flat (patch antenna), but I don't worry about it
that much. If being lazy and using it for distance estimate,
I just want to know if I'm closer to 6 or 6.5 miles and
maybe elevation gain within a hundred feet or so. The
distance estimates are agreeing with the estimates I'm
getting from map - at least for my needs.

Note that I use the gps primarily for mapping, and
occasionally for a distance estimate -- never for pace -
good way to run into a tree on a twisty single track. I've
been sharing the maps with other people at work, and
they've been using the trails more now that they know where
many of them go. And they tell me about some trails I
haven't found yet.

If on a short run, fartlekking across a meadow because all
the trails are icy or slushy, I'm still clueless as to how
far I go since I don't use the gps for that - just log time
and effort. Afterall, it is speed *play*.

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If you running on roads use you car and rough in the
mileage.

Duh, who runs where they can get a car 😉 😉

Dot finally had a completely snow-free long run on Fri
evening

--
"Success is different things to different people" -Bernd
Heinrich in Racing the Antelope

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No Dough, don't use your car. Take your bike and enjoy
the trip

;-))

It's interesting how my name translates. 🙂

Anyway, I agree that a bike is more fun but you have to go
and buy another device which is just as big a pain in the
ass keeping calibrated. You can end up with data that's
equally as inaccurate as a GPS or Pedometer. I'm always
amazed at how people need to know +/- some inches how far
they ran. It doesn't take much effort to figure out how fast
you run and simply use the hands on a watch. Who gets
cheated if you ran 5.2 miles and only wrote down 5. Over
days and months it will average out.

I'd be willing to bet that one average is the men that have
the preoccupation with this level of detail. This is related
to the ads that fill our Email on how to gain "inches."

--
Doug "sore cheek" Freese "Caveat Lector"
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No Dough, don't use your car. Take your bike and enjoy
the trip

;-))

It's interesting how my name translates. 🙂

Anyway, I agree that a bike is more fun but you have to go
and buy another device which is just as big a pain in the
ass keeping calibrated. You can end up with data that's
equally as inaccurate as a GPS or Pedometer. I'm always
amazed at how people need to know +/- some inches how far
they ran. It doesn't take much effort to figure out how
fast you run and simply use the hands on a watch. Who gets
cheated if you ran 5.2 miles and only wrote down 5. Over
days and months it will average out.

I'd be willing to bet that one average is the men that
have the preoccupation with this level of detail. This is
related to the ads that fill our Email on how to gain
"inches."

Doug, you seem to be as obsessed with how we are obsessed as
we are obsessed with our obsessions. ;-)

Phil M.

--
"Pain is temporary: the success it brings can be
everlasting." -fortune cookie

Hi,

on 5/1/2004 4:55 AM Doug Freese said:

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No Dough, don't use your car. Take your bike and enjoy
the trip

=20
;-))
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It's interesting how my name translates. 🙂

Sorry ... Doug.

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Anyway, I agree that a bike is more fun but you have to go
and buy another device which is just as big a pain in the
ass keeping calibrated.=20

Yea .. maybe .. I just happen to have one anyway .. and the
prices is=20 waaay less than what one of these funny
pedowhatevers cost. Also I don't =

care if it's accurate to the inch (foot, yard), but like to
know if my=20 regular runs are 5 or 5.5 miles. The rest of
the runs are measured in=20 minutes multiplied by my feeling
for the speed (minutes/mile).

;-)

Martin

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Whats the machine called that you attach to oneself that
tells you the distance that one has run !

The simple one: Pedometer.

The high-tech one: GPS

medium-tech one: Accelerometer (FitSense, et.al.),
essentially a one-dimensional inertial navigation system.

IMHO. YMMV.
--
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<canonical.disclaimer> // only my own opinions, etc.

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Whats the machine called that you attach to oneself that
tells you the distance that one has run ! Gaz

Forerunner 201 is not bad if you get to run/walk outdoors. I
got one, I find it very useful for pacing. The data can be
downloaded on to your computer making record keeping very
easy if you have simple record keeping needs.

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Whats the machine called that you attach to oneself that
tells you the distance that one has run !

The simple one: Pedometer.

The high-tech one: GPS

Brain and a watch. An experienced runner knows their pace.

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Whats the machine called that you attach to oneself that
tells you the distance that one has run ! Gaz

The Nike SDM footpod based devices are pretty darn good too.
I just got a Nike CV10 and it's very accurate.

Mani

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Whats the machine called that you attach to oneself
that tells you the distance that one has run ! Gaz

The Nike SDM footpod based devices are pretty darn good
too. I just got a Nike CV10 and it's very accurate.

The Forerunner has a limited GPS navigation capability. The
device will have some use even if its owner gives up on
running. You know that happens a lot. 🙂

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Mani