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  1. Maybe rbt is not the correct forum to ask this, but here goes. Any
    info, or pointers would be GREATLY appreciated.

    I am trying to figure out the name that was on the frame of a bike I
    bought in 1976.

    At the time, I remember being positive that this frame was the same as
    was being labeled Novara by REI. I "THINK" I read this in Consumer
    Reports at the time, maybe not.

    It was not labeled "Novara" and was not bought from REI. It was
    bought at an LBS, for probably around $150 at the time. I know it was
    copper in color, had bar-end shifters that were not indexed, but had a
    ratchet feel to them. I believe the rear derailleur was Suntour V, it
    had a cotterless crank (Sugino?). (remember back then, cottered
    cranks were the norm in mid level "10 speeds", this was a big deal to
    have a cotterless crank!).

    This was and is the only brand new bike I've ever purchased. I'm a big
    fan of buying slightly used bikes for 1/2 retail price! Maybe this
    attitude is caused by the fact that this, my only new bike, was stolen
    off my back porch a couple of years later, a heavy cable cut to get
    it. That's bad enough, but it happened about 2 days after I'd wrecked
    my car and was my only means of transportation at the time. (I was
    late to work that day!)

    Turns out I replaced it with the bike I probably loved more than any
    I've had, just because of the comfort and where I was at at the time -
    My red Raleigh Supercourse MK II.

    This is a very trivial question that has just been driving me nuts
    lately. In my mind, I'm trying to catalogue all the bicycles I've
    owned in my life and I just can't get this one.

  2. Camilo said:

    Maybe rbt is not the correct forum to ask this, but here goes. Any
    info, or pointers would be GREATLY appreciated.

    I am trying to figure out the name that was on the frame of a bike I
    bought in 1976.

    At the time, I remember being positive that this frame was the same as
    was being labeled Novara by REI. I "THINK" I read this in Consumer
    Reports at the time, maybe not.

    It was not labeled "Novara" and was not bought from REI. It was
    bought at an LBS, for probably around $150 at the time. I know it was
    copper in color, had bar-end shifters that were not indexed, but had a
    ratchet feel to them. I believe the rear derailleur was Suntour V, it
    had a cotterless crank (Sugino?). (remember back then, cottered
    cranks were the norm in mid level "10 speeds", this was a big deal to
    have a cotterless crank!).

    This was and is the only brand new bike I've ever purchased. I'm a big
    fan of buying slightly used bikes for 1/2 retail price! Maybe this
    attitude is caused by the fact that this, my only new bike, was stolen
    off my back porch a couple of years later, a heavy cable cut to get
    it. That's bad enough, but it happened about 2 days after I'd wrecked
    my car and was my only means of transportation at the time. (I was
    late to work that day!)

    Turns out I replaced it with the bike I probably loved more than any
    I've had, just because of the comfort and where I was at at the time -
    My red Raleigh Supercourse MK II.

    This is a very trivial question that has just been driving me nuts
    lately. In my mind, I'm trying to catalogue all the bicycles I've
    owned in my life and I just can't get this one.


    Big field. Maybe Kobe, Compania, Sekai, Lumala, Centurion, Nishiki,
    Azuki, Crystal? Plus many 'store labels'. Way too many from your
    description of "not Novarra".

    --
    Andrew Muzi
    www.yellowjersey.org
    Open every day since 1 April, 1971

  3. A Muzi said:
    Camilo said:

    Maybe rbt is not the correct forum to ask this, but here goes. Any
    info, or pointers would be GREATLY appreciated.

    Quoted message said:

    I am trying to figure out the name that was on the frame of a bike I
    bought in 1976.

    Quoted message said:

    At the time, I remember being positive that this frame was the same as
    was being labeled Novara by REI. I "THINK" I read this in Consumer
    Reports at the time, maybe not.

    Quoted message said:

    It was not labeled "Novara" and was not bought from REI. It was
    bought at an LBS, for probably around $150 at the time. I know it was
    copper in color, had bar-end shifters that were not indexed, but had a
    ratchet feel to them. I believe the rear derailleur was Suntour V, it
    had a cotterless crank (Sugino?). (remember back then, cottered
    cranks were the norm in mid level "10 speeds", this was a big deal to
    have a cotterless crank!).

    Quoted message said:

    This was and is the only brand new bike I've ever purchased. I'm a big
    fan of buying slightly used bikes for 1/2 retail price! Maybe this
    attitude is caused by the fact that this, my only new bike, was stolen
    off my back porch a couple of years later, a heavy cable cut to get
    it. That's bad enough, but it happened about 2 days after I'd wrecked
    my car and was my only means of transportation at the time. (I was
    late to work that day!)

    Quoted message said:

    Turns out I replaced it with the bike I probably loved more than any
    I've had, just because of the comfort and where I was at at the time -
    My red Raleigh Supercourse MK II.

    Quoted message said:

    This is a very trivial question that has just been driving me nuts
    lately. In my mind, I'm trying to catalogue all the bicycles I've
    owned in my life and I just can't get this one.

    Big field. Maybe Kobe, Compania, Sekai, Lumala, Centurion, Nishiki,
    Azuki, Crystal? Plus many 'store labels'. Way too many from your
    description of "not Novarra".

    Did REI even use the Novara brand name as far back as 1976?

  4. ">> Big field. Maybe Kobe, Compania, Sekai, Lumala, Centurion, Nishiki,

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Azuki, Crystal? Plus many 'store labels'. Way too many from your
    description of "not Novarra".

    Did REI even use the Novara brand name as far back as 1976?

    REI sold Crescent- Swedish made bikes -in 1976 ,I am quite certain.
    Does it have a very weird front geometry? Likea step head angle?

    Gary Jacobson
    Rosendale, NY

  5. sergio said:
    Camilo said:

    I am trying to figure out the name that was on the frame of a bike I
    bought in 1976.
    At the time, I remember being positive that this frame was the same as
    was being labeled Novara by REI.

    I asked around and someone came out with what would have been the most
    obvious answer indeed.
    That REI was the maker in Novara, a town between Milano and Torino.

    Sergio
    Pisa

    Thanks! I was wondering about that. Now how do you explan
    "Scattante" ?

    Doug

  6. Quoted message said:
    sergio said:

    On 2 Apr, 21:12, "Camilo" <[email hidden]> wrote:

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    I am trying to figure out the name that was on the frame of a bike I
    bought in 1976.
    At the time, I remember being positive that this frame was the same as
    was being labeled Novara by REI.

    Quoted message said:

    I asked around and someone came out with what would have been the most
    obvious answer indeed.
    That REI was the maker in Novara, a town between Milano and Torino.

    Quoted message said:

    Sergio
    Pisa

    Thanks! I was wondering about that. Now how do you explan
    "Scattante" ?

    Doug

    That's the result of Truth-In-Advertising laws.

  7. Camilo said:


    It was not labeled "Novara" and was not bought from REI. It was
    bought at an LBS, for probably around $150 at the time. I know it was
    copper in color, had bar-end shifters that were not indexed, but had a
    ratchet feel to them. I believe the rear derailleur was Suntour V, it
    had a cotterless crank (Sugino?). (remember back then, cottered
    cranks were the norm in mid level "10 speeds", this was a big deal to
    have a cotterless crank!).


    Miyata? Sounds kinda similar to "Novara" in terms of cadence and word
    structure. I want to remember a copper-colored Miyata, but I might be
    imagining things.

    I'm sure that Univega sold copper colored road bikes.

    Both Miyata and Univega had nice touring bikes available with the
    Suntour ratcheting Barcon shifters you describe.

    Either of those names sound familiar?

    Yours,

    Forbes B-Black

  8. A Muzi said:

    If I recall, REI only used the "Novara" name for Japanese-produced ...

    I take your word, Andrew.
    Then, the one I quoted might have been simply an easy, and stupid,
    guess.

    Quoted message said:

    If I were an REI product manager, I'd name my bike "Novara" instead of
    "Osaka" or "Kaohsiung"

    Well, I think I could have come up with a lot of better names than
    that.

    Sergio
    Pisa

  9. Tim McNamara said:

    In article <[email hidden]>,

    Camilo said:

    Maybe rbt is not the correct forum to ask this, but here goes. Any
    info, or pointers would be GREATLY appreciated.

    Quoted message said:

    I am trying to figure out the name that was on the frame of a bike I
    bought in 1976.

    Quoted message said:

    At the time, I remember being positive that this frame was the same
    as was being labeled Novara by REI. I "THINK" I read this in
    Consumer Reports at the time, maybe not.

    Quoted message said:

    It was not labeled "Novara" and was not bought from REI. It was
    bought at an LBS, for probably around $150 at the time. I know it
    was copper in color, had bar-end shifters that were not indexed, but
    had a ratchet feel to them. I believe the rear derailleur was
    Suntour V, it had a cotterless crank (Sugino?). (remember back then,
    cottered cranks were the norm in mid level "10 speeds", this was a
    big deal to have a cotterless crank!).

    My guess is a mid-level Panasonic, Fuji or Miyata that was relabeled as
    the REI house brand. Panasonic still makes bikes for other labels, I
    don't know if they sell bikes under their own name outside of Japan.

    In that case why would it have been bought at an LBS and not REI?

  10. "Hank Wirtz" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    sergio said:

    On 2 Apr, 21:12, "Camilo" <[email hidden]> wrote:


    Thanks! I was wondering about that. Now how do you explan
    "Scattante" ?

    Doug

    That's the result of Truth-In-Advertising laws.

    Yep, derived from the same Latin origin that the word *scat* comes from.
    Does *tante* mean big?

    Gary Jacobson
    Rosendale, NY

  11. "Camilo" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    Gary Jacobson said:

    ">> Big field. Maybe Kobe, Compania, Sekai, Lumala, Centurion, Nishiki,

    Quoted message said:

    > Azuki, Crystal? Plus many 'store labels'. Way too many from your
    > description of "not Novarra".

    Quoted message said:

    Did REI even use the Novara brand name as far back as 1976?

    REI sold Crescent- Swedish made bikes -in 1976 ,I am quite certain.
    Does it have a very weird front geometry? Likea step head angle?

    Gary Jacobson
    Rosendale, NY

    Thanks for the ideas everyone. Unfortunately, I don't have the bike
    (stolen) and am only trying to remember the name for my personal
    historic enjoyment.

    While I have this vague memory of a link between my frame and the
    bikes sold at that time by REI, I am now thinking it is possibly not
    accurate at all. But Crescent does sound familiar.....

    Many Crescents had checkerboard graphic accents.

    Gary Jacobson
    Rosendale, NY

  12. Gary Jacobson said:

    "Camilo" <[email hidden]> wrote in message

    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    Gary Jacobson said:

    ">> Big field. Maybe Kobe, Compania, Sekai, Lumala, Centurion, Nishiki,

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    >> Azuki, Crystal? Plus many 'store labels'. Way too many from your
    >> description of "not Novarra".

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    > Did REI even use the Novara brand name as far back as 1976?

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    REI sold Crescent- Swedish made bikes -in 1976 ,I am quite certain.
    Does it have a very weird front geometry? Likea step head angle?

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Gary Jacobson
    Rosendale, NY

    Quoted message said:

    Thanks for the ideas everyone. Unfortunately, I don't have the bike
    (stolen) and am only trying to remember the name for my personal
    historic enjoyment.

    Quoted message said:

    While I have this vague memory of a link between my frame and the
    bikes sold at that time by REI, I am now thinking it is possibly not
    accurate at all. But Crescent does sound familiar.....

    Many Crescents had checkerboard graphic accents.

    Thanks again Gary. My dim 50+ mind is getting a glimmer of
    familiarity. I'm going to take this as motivation to look at my
    photos from that era, and maybe call up some old friends!

  13. Gary Jacobson said:

    "Camilo" <[email hidden]> wrote in message

    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    Gary Jacobson said:

    ">> Big field. Maybe Kobe, Compania, Sekai, Lumala, Centurion, Nishiki,

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    >> Azuki, Crystal? Plus many 'store labels'. Way too many from your
    >> description of "not Novarra".

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    > Did REI even use the Novara brand name as far back as 1976?

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    REI sold Crescent- Swedish made bikes -in 1976 ,I am quite certain.
    Does it have a very weird front geometry? Likea step head angle?

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Gary Jacobson
    Rosendale, NY

    Quoted message said:

    Thanks for the ideas everyone. Unfortunately, I don't have the bike
    (stolen) and am only trying to remember the name for my personal
    historic enjoyment.

    Quoted message said:

    While I have this vague memory of a link between my frame and the
    bikes sold at that time by REI, I am now thinking it is possibly not
    accurate at all. But Crescent does sound familiar.....

    Many Crescents had checkerboard graphic accents.

    You got me searching for Crescent, and I'm now beginning to think it
    was. The seat tube decal jogs a memory. I especially like the
    "influential ads" on this web site! I'm sure it would have affected
    my buying decision at the time.

    http://www.classicrendezvous.com/Sweden/Crescent.htm

  14. On Apr 3, 2:04 pm, "sergio" <[email hidden]> wrote:

    "That REI was the maker in Novara, a town between Milano and Torino."

    I think "Novara" came out of a licensing deal between R.E.I. and Sue
    Novara, Olympic medal winner in some year or another. I seem to recall
    seeing her at the Chicago bicycle show, riding rollers in the Raleigh
    booth in a one-piece skin suit. Awesome. But then, I'm 53, and there
    might have been some meds in my cup of fruit cocktail...

  15. Gary Jacobson said:

    "Camilo" <[email hidden]> wrote in message

    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    Gary Jacobson said:

    ">> Big field. Maybe Kobe, Compania, Sekai, Lumala, Centurion, Nishiki,

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    >> Azuki, Crystal? Plus many 'store labels'. Way too many from your
    >> description of "not Novarra".

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    > Did REI even use the Novara brand name as far back as 1976?

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    REI sold Crescent- Swedish made bikes -in 1976 ,I am quite certain.
    Does it have a very weird front geometry? Likea step head angle?

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Gary Jacobson
    Rosendale, NY

    Quoted message said:

    Thanks for the ideas everyone. Unfortunately, I don't have the bike
    (stolen) and am only trying to remember the name for my personal
    historic enjoyment.

    Quoted message said:

    While I have this vague memory of a link between my frame and the
    bikes sold at that time by REI, I am now thinking it is possibly not
    accurate at all. But Crescent does sound familiar.....

    Many Crescents had checkerboard graphic accents.

    Gary Jacobson
    Rosendale, NY

    This Windsor looks awfully familiar, this exact bike would be my
    guess:

    http://www.bikeforums.net/attachment.php?attachmentid=33816&d=1168218723

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