Please excuse me if the answer(s) to my question appear elsewhere, but I searhced, with no luck. My question is about Michelin Carbon (formerly "Axial carbon"😉 tires.
I cuurently run Avocet FasGrip 700x25 tires, but my LBS is pushing me to try Michelin Carbon tires, a "road racing/training" tire. The price would be comparable, so cost is not an issue. For the record, I'm about 170 pounds and do club rides of 30-60 miles; I enjoy the scenery along the way and I'm neither a racer nor a hammer. Thanks for any information, anecdotal or scientific, about their performance--durability, traction, ease getting off and on rims (Mavic--can't recall if Open Pros or CX-33), etc. --Roy Zipris
Please excuse me if the answer(s) to my question appear elsewhere, but I searhced, with no luck. My question is about Michelin Carbon (formerly "Axial carbon"😉 tires...... for any information, anecdotal or scientific, about their performance--durability, traction, ease getting off and on rims (Mavic--can't recall if Open Pros or CX-33), etc. --Roy Zipris
I use these tires on Mavic Open 4 and Open Pro wheels and like them a lot. In size 23, they mount easily and seem to hold up well--I weigh 170 also, ride 20 to 65 miles daily, inflate them to 115 psi. It's also neat that you can get them with a sidewall color to match your bike!
See the postings of Crit USA on rec.bicycles.marketplace for good prices/free shipping. (I am not affiliated with them.)
I cuurently run Avocet FasGrip 700x25 tires, but my LBS is pushing me to try Michelin Carbon tires, a "road racing/training" tire. The price would be comparable, so cost is not an issue. For the record, I'm about 170 pounds and do club rides of 30-60 miles; I enjoy the scenery along the way and I'm neither a racer nor a hammer.
What width are the Michelins? I would stick with 25s if I were you. I like the Avocets, but the new "Carbon 12" Avocets are not made in Japan, and some folks have reported problems with them. I've only used the older Avocets.
BTW, The older Avocets (with tan sidewalls) ran narrower than the size on the label. The nominal 700x25 "Criteriums" ran 23mm, and the 700x28 "Road" version measured 25mm on most rims.
Please excuse me if the answer(s) to my question appear elsewhere, but I searhced, with no luck. My question is about Michelin Carbon (formerly "Axial carbon"😉 tires.
I cuurently run Avocet FasGrip 700x25 tires, but my LBS is pushing me to try Michelin Carbon tires, a "road racing/training" tire. The price would be comparable, so cost is not an issue. For the record, I'm about 170 pounds and do club rides of 30-60 miles; I enjoy the scenery along the way and I'm neither a racer nor a hammer. Thanks for any information, anecdotal or scientific, about their performance--durability, traction, ease getting off and on rims (Mavic--can't recall if Open Pros or CX-33), etc. --Roy Zipris
Had a pair year before last. Very durable, never had any trouble getting them on or of the rims , felt great in the dry but I never felt secure on them in the wet. They seemed a bit slidey if you know what I mean.
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(formerly "Axial carbon"😉 tires.
I cuurently run Avocet FasGrip 700x25 tires, but my LBS is
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to try Michelin Carbon tires, a "road racing/training" tire.
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would be comparable, so cost is not an issue. For the record,
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about 170 pounds and do club rides of 30-60 miles; I enjoy
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along the way and I'm neither a racer nor a hammer. Thanks
for any
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information, anecdotal or scientific, about their performance--durability, traction, ease getting off and on
rims
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(Mavic--can't recall if Open Pros or CX-33), etc. --Roy
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Had a pair year before last. Very durable, never had any
trouble
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getting them on or of the rims , felt great in the dry but I
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felt secure on them in the wet. They seemed a bit slidey if you
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what I mean.
These tires have a reputation for being slippery in the wet, which is odd considering that their predecessor, the SuperComp HD, was a great wet weather tire. I wonder how they changed the compound to lose the adhesion associated with carbon. I would stick with the Avocet if you are doing any wet weather riding. -- Jay Beattie.
These tires have a reputation for being slippery in the wet, which is odd considering that their predecessor, the SuperComp HD, was a great wet weather tire. I wonder how they changed the compound to lose the adhesion associated with carbon.
I wonder how they got the slippery reputation, and/or how reliable the "reputers" are. Dudez givin' the scoop on mtbr.com, feeding the hearsay snowball? Please...
I don't believe most riders come anywhere near the limit of adhesion to be able to test it, let alone have the ability to compare one tire with another.
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Nothing wrong with sticking to what's proven.
FWIW, no complaints with the fancy-schmancy yellow and black Vittorias that came with my bike -- Open Corsa CX or something. I like them a lot, and will probably replace them with the same.
These tires have a reputation for being slippery in the wet, which is odd considering that their predecessor, the SuperComp HD, was a great wet weather tire. I wonder how they changed the compound to lose the adhesion associated with carbon. I would stick with the Avocet if you are doing any wet weather riding. -- Jay Beattie.
I've used several set of the Mich. Carbon's and still have a set on my backup ride now. Excellent puncture resistance and wear, but last set seemed to get a lot more surface cuts than predecessors for some reason.
Not as easy to get on and off my Mavic OP's as the Conti Grand Prix's I have on them now seem to be, but not unreasonable either.
Alas, I really miss my old SuperComp HD's. Best all-around performing and feeling tire I ever used.
These tires have a reputation for being slippery in the wet, which is odd considering that their predecessor, the SuperComp HD, was a great wet weather tire. I wonder how they changed the compound to lose the adhesion associated with carbon. I would stick with the Avocet if you are doing any wet weather riding. -- Jay Beattie.
I just looked at the Michelins, and thought they were pretty stiff, which would translate to poor rolling resistance. I'd prefer to stick with Avocets myself, but am finding them hard to locate. Sheldon was out last time I checked, and no one stocks them anywhere close to local for me. I did need tires, though, which is why I was looking at this thread. I got a pair of Hutchinson Carbon Comp's. We'll see. I'm pretty skeptical of any tire with colored stripes, but the price was right.
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considering that their predecessor, the SuperComp HD, was a great wet weather tire. I wonder how they changed the compound to lose the
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associated with carbon. I would stick with the Avocet if you are doing any wet weather riding. -- Jay Beattie.
I just looked at the Michelins, and thought they were pretty stiff, which would translate to poor rolling resistance. I'd prefer to stick with Avocets myself, but am finding them hard to locate. Sheldon was out last time I checked, and no one stocks them anywhere close to local for me. I did need tires, though, which is why I was looking at this thread. I got a pair of Hutchinson Carbon Comp's. We'll see. I'm pretty skeptical of any tire with colored stripes, but the price was right.
In the future, if you want to order Avocet tires "online", here are 3 places, other than Sheldon who list them:
These tires have a reputation for being slippery in the wet, which is odd considering that their predecessor, the SuperComp HD, was a great wet weather tire. I wonder how they changed the compound to lose the adhesion associated with carbon.
I wonder how they got the slippery reputation, and/or how reliable the "reputers" are. Dudez givin' the scoop on mtbr.com, feeding the hearsay snowball? Please...
<snip> Matt O.
Sir you impune my reputation 🙂 Well with me the reputation was due to personal experience. I nearly ended up in the hedge several times 🙁 I had the impression that they had decided to go for longevity over grip. I rode them for a year and they looked good for another year. The Conti GP3000s I normally use will just about last 9 months if I am lucky.
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Please excuse me if the answer(s) to my question appear elsewhere, but I searhced, with no luck. My question is about Michelin Carbon (formerly "Axial carbon"😉 tires.
I cuurently run Avocet FasGrip 700x25 tires, but my LBS is pushing me to try Michelin Carbon tires, a "road racing/training" tire. The price would be comparable, so cost is not an issue. For the record, I'm about 170 pounds and do club rides of 30-60 miles; I enjoy the scenery along the way and I'm neither a racer nor a hammer. Thanks for any information, anecdotal or scientific, about their performance--durability, traction, ease getting off and on rims (Mavic--can't recall if Open Pros or CX-33), etc. --Roy Zipris
I have been using them for a couple of years on Open Pros after getting tired of unreliable Continental quality. They are great. Pumped to 115 PSI, they provide a confortable ride for my 215 pounds. Wear and puncture resistance has been better than any tire I have ever used.
Thanks for all the feedback, folks. Yes, I intend to stick with 25's (which tire I decide on and whatever the actual dimension turns out to be). The LBS owner is so high on the Michelin Carbons (he thinks they are the cutting-edge of bike tire technology) that he offered to refund my money if I don't like them; I would not feel comfortable doing that unless they felt really horrible in some way. The wet weather caution concerns me: I do get caught in rain at times and often ride when the roads are still wet from precipitation.
I too have to order Avocets; I order through the local shops that support my bike clubs, as payback for their support. For folks in the Philadelphia area, I've had no problems ordering Avocets from Guy's (Feasterville) and Abington Wheel Wright, and Cycle Sports (Doylestown) will do so if I prefer them over the Michelins.
It's funny but when I shop for such things, I hear Jobst's voice in my head. --Roy Zipris
Is the weight difference significant? From the company web sites, the Avocets are 255 grams, the Michelins 280. Sorry if this appears several times; network problems here. --RZ
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Please excuse me if the answer(s) to my question appear elsewhere, but I searhced, with no luck. My question is about Michelin Carbon (formerly "Axial carbon"😉 tires.
I cuurently run Avocet FasGrip 700x25 tires, but my LBS is pushing me to try Michelin Carbon tires, a "road racing/training" tire. The price would be comparable, so cost is not an issue. For the record, I'm about 170 pounds and do club rides of 30-60 miles; I enjoy the scenery along the way and I'm neither a racer nor a hammer. Thanks for any information, anecdotal or scientific, about their performance--durability, traction, ease getting off and on rims (Mavic--can't recall if Open Pros or CX-33), etc. --Roy Zipris
I have been using them for a couple of years on Open Pros after getting tired of unreliable Continental quality. They are great. Pumped to 115 PSI, they provide a confortable ride for my 215 pounds. Wear and puncture resistance has been better than any tire I have ever used.
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Ditto that! I luv my carbons.....at 210lbs they run fast and comfy for me on my Open Pros and are durable and long lasting.
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HD, was a great wet weather tire. I wonder how they changed
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compound to lose the adhesion associated with carbon.
I wonder how they got the slippery reputation, and/or how
reliable the
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"reputers" are. Dudez givin' the scoop on mtbr.com, feeding
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snowball? Please...
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to test it, let alone have the ability to compare one tire with
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Hmmm. I slip my tires practically daily now that the rainy season has come. Descending into my parking garage is like going down a sled hill, and I frequently slip my tires climbing out. This is an excellent place to test wet weather tread adhesion, and a place where I crashed twice riding Michelin's fist colored tire with clay based pigment and no carbon binder and no magical silicum. Avocets and SuperComp HDs had the best adhesion, with everything else bunched up behind, probably led by Contis (but there are many tires I have not tried, including Hutchinson). You really can tell the difference in the wet. I would agree that on clean, dry pavement, adhesion differences are slight and perhaps even undetectable. -- Jay Beattie.
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Alas, I *really* miss my old SuperComp HD's. Best all-around performing and feeling tire I ever used.
You can add me to the list of people who miss the SCHD tires. I wonder why Michelin discontinued one of the best tires, if not the best, tire they ever made? The new stuff is more expensive and not as good. -------------- Alex
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Is the weight difference significant? From the company web sites, the Avocets are 255 grams, the Michelins 280. Sorry if this appears several times; network problems here. --RZ
These tires have a reputation for being slippery in the wet, which is odd considering that their predecessor, the SuperComp HD, was a great wet weather tire. I wonder how they changed the compound to lose the adhesion associated with carbon. I would stick with the Avocet if you are doing any wet weather riding. -- Jay Beattie.
I've run the Axial Carbons for almost 6k miles, and the Hi-Lite Prestige for 2.5k on another bike. Before all the "slippery when wet" talk gets out of hand, I must say, a lot of tires are a tiny bit slippery in the wet when new, and that's true of these Michelins. The Pro Race are a tad more grippy, to be sure, but they don't last well for training. I doubt I'm the only one that notices that. Axial and Hi-Lite are good high mileage tires, and the only time I've felt a lack of traction with them is in the first 40 miles, if it's wet. I am imagining it may be the result of some mold release compound, rather than the rubber formulation itself. Other data is welcome.
