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  1. Michele
    I think you need to have a look at Sinbad's [censored] detector, because you
    often default to using emotive terms to dismiss a point of view you disagree
    with.

    Michele has used such language as -

    * "trying to stop free access to nutritional supplements" nonsense.

    * - "everything's a conspiracy" [censored],

    Michele thinks words like "tripe" are objective terms.

    Michele:
    It's an objective term, along with "garbage", "nonsense", & "drivel".
    Your ranting about "conspiracies", "cartels", & "suppression" (OH MY!)
    would be emotive. Especially when you don't understand what you're
    trying to talk about, as you continue to show.

    ---------------------------------
    I would like you to have a look at this webpage and study its contents. Here
    is the emotive language excerpt.

    http://www.think.i12.com/fallacies.html

    Prejudicial Language
    Definition:
    Loaded or EMOTIVE TERMS are used to attach value or moral goodness to
    believing the proposition.

    Examples:
    Right thinking Canadians will agree with me that we should have another free
    vote on capital punishment.
    A reasonable person would agree that our income statement is too low.
    Senator Turner claims that the new tax rate will reduce the deficit. (Here,
    the use of "claims" implies that what Turner says is false.)
    The proposal is likely to be resisted by the bureaucrats on Parliament Hill.
    (Compare this to: The proposal is likely to be rejected by officials on
    Parliament Hill.)
    Proof:
    Identify the prejudicial terms used (eg. "Right thinking Canadians" or "A
    reasonable person"😉. Show that disagreeing with the conclusion does not make
    a person "wrong thinking" or "unreasonable".

    Carole
    http://www.austarmetro.com.au/~hubbca/conspiracy.htm

  2. "Carole" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

    Quoted message said:

    Michele
    I think you need to have a look at Sinbad's [censored] detector, because you
    often default to using emotive terms to dismiss a point of view you disagree
    with.

    Holy [censored] -- half wit Carole, who attributes everything she doesn't
    understand (& that's a LOT) to "conspiracies", "cartels", &
    "suppression" telling someone else about emotive language -- LOL!

    Quoted message said:


    Michele has used such language as -

    * "trying to stop free access to nutritional supplements" nonsense.

    Sure have. The idea of some conspiracy trying to stop free access to
    nutritional supplements IS nonsense. Especially when those Carole
    thinks are doing so are making money through the PROMOTION of
    nutritional supplements & whatever other products consumers will part
    with a buck for.

    Quoted message said:

    * - "everything's a conspiracy" [censored],

    Carole attributes every conventional idea presented as a conspiracy.
    Pure & utter [censored], unless the word "idiocy" suits her better.
    Carole's paranoia WRT anybody making money (unless it's someone
    peddling alt. remedies, in which case money making is apparently
    acceptable in her book) is beyond common sense. There simply aren't
    that many conspiratorial plots afoot in the world! Her simpleton
    ideas -- like some sinister plot to keep the people of the world sick
    so they'll be "under control" (working like a charm in the Middle
    East, eh?) -- "suppression" of nutritional information which can
    easily be found in every library, on countless websites, & on
    infommercials appearing on network, cable & satellite TV (quite a
    "suppression" goin' on there...) -- & moaning on her soapbox that
    people who've done well for themselves monetarily have obviously done
    so at the expense of those who haven't (as if distribution of
    tenacity, sacrifice, intelligence, & plain old luck was always "fair"😉
    are the epitome of emotive language & ideas. To refer to them as
    "twaddle", "tripe", "drivel", & "[censored]" is certainly more appropriate
    than Carole's repeated use of her litany of words she doesn't actually
    comprehend -- words like "brainwashed", "sheep", "cartel" -- or her
    references to economics, when counting pocket change is her whole body
    of knowledge on the subject. My choice of words is entirely
    appropriate when Carole makes sweeping statements that she admits she
    "hasn't figured out yet".

    Quoted message said:


    Michele thinks words like "tripe" are objective terms.

    Michele:
    It's an objective term, along with "garbage", "nonsense", & "drivel".
    Your ranting about "conspiracies", "cartels", & "suppression" (OH MY!)
    would be emotive.

    Carole is now truly the dumbest person I've encountered in quite some
    time. Perhaps this moron has forgotten it is she who rants about
    conspiracies, cartels, & suppression & I've always responded that
    she's ranting about things that aren't found under every rock, in
    every cupboard.

    Quoted message said:

    Especially when you don't understand what you're
    trying to talk about, as you continue to show.

    This is the person who "hasn't figured it out yet". Holy moly, she's
    lost what little is left of her mind.....

    Quoted message said:


    ---------------------------------
    I would like you to have a look at this webpage and study its contents. Here
    is the emotive language excerpt.

    http://www.think.i12.com/fallacies.html

    Prejudicial Language
    Definition:
    Loaded or EMOTIVE TERMS are used to attach value or moral goodness to
    believing the proposition.

    Examples:
    Right thinking Canadians will agree with me that we should have another free
    vote on capital punishment.
    A reasonable person would agree that our income statement is too low.
    Senator Turner claims that the new tax rate will reduce the deficit. (Here,
    the use of "claims" implies that what Turner says is false.)
    The proposal is likely to be resisted by the bureaucrats on Parliament Hill.
    (Compare this to: The proposal is likely to be rejected by officials on
    Parliament Hill.)
    Proof:
    Identify the prejudicial terms used (eg. "Right thinking Canadians" or "A
    reasonable person"😉. Show that disagreeing with the conclusion does not make
    a person "wrong thinking" or "unreasonable".

    Carole
    http://www.austarmetro.com.au/~hubbca/conspiracy.htm

    If Carole truly doesn't see her use of paranoia & hyperbole WRT
    subjects which she knows little or nothing about (as she herself
    admits), she is a candidate for the aluminum foil helmet brigade.

    Carole: Try reading up on more than the latest "National World"
    headlines. Or just keep spewing your usual [censored]. And it IS
    [censored] -- nothing emotive about that......<G>

  3. Quoted message said:

    Subject: Michele's emotive terms
    From: "Carole" [email hidden]
    Date: 5/17/2004 9:14 AM Pacific Standard Time
    Message-id: <[email hidden]

    Michele is like hawki, they enjoy [censored] and belittling.

    Best to ignore them.

    Jan

    Quoted message said:

    Michele
    I think you need to have a look at Sinbad's [censored] detector, because you
    often default to using emotive terms to dismiss a point of view you disagree
    with.

    Michele has used such language as -

    * "trying to stop free access to nutritional supplements" nonsense.

    * - "everything's a conspiracy" [censored],

    Michele thinks words like "tripe" are objective terms.

    Michele:
    It's an objective term, along with "garbage", "nonsense", & "drivel".
    Your ranting about "conspiracies", "cartels", & "suppression" (OH MY!)
    would be emotive. Especially when you don't understand what you're
    trying to talk about, as you continue to show.

    ---------------------------------
    I would like you to have a look at this webpage and study its contents. Here
    is the emotive language excerpt.

    http://www.think.i12.com/fallacies.html

    Prejudicial Language
    Definition:
    Loaded or EMOTIVE TERMS are used to attach value or moral goodness to
    believing the proposition.

    Examples:
    Right thinking Canadians will agree with me that we should have another free
    vote on capital punishment.
    A reasonable person would agree that our income statement is too low.
    Senator Turner claims that the new tax rate will reduce the deficit. (Here,
    the use of "claims" implies that what Turner says is false.)
    The proposal is likely to be resisted by the bureaucrats on Parliament Hill.
    (Compare this to: The proposal is likely to be rejected by officials on
    Parliament Hill.)
    Proof:
    Identify the prejudicial terms used (eg. "Right thinking Canadians" or "A
    reasonable person"😉. Show that disagreeing with the conclusion does not make
    a person "wrong thinking" or "unreasonable".

    Carole
    http://www.austarmetro.com.au/~hubbca/conspiracy.htm

  4. Quoted message said:

    Subject: Re: Michele's emotive terms
    From: [email hidden] (Jan)
    Date: 5/17/2004 9:02 PM Pacific Daylight Time
    Message-id: <[email hidden]>

    Quoted message said:

    Michele is like hawki, they enjoy [censored] and belittling.

    and educating...as we are both nurses

    jealous??

    hawki.....

  5. [email hidden] (Jan) wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Subject: Michele's emotive terms
    From: "Carole" [email hidden]
    Date: 5/17/2004 9:14 AM Pacific Standard Time
    Message-id: <[email hidden]

    Michele is like hawki, they enjoy [censored] and belittling.

    Best to ignore them.

    Jan

    So says the crone who couldn't ignore anyone if her life depended on it.....<G>

  6. [email hidden] (Hawki63) wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Subject: Re: Michele's emotive terms
    From: [email hidden] (Jan)
    Date: 5/17/2004 9:02 PM Pacific Daylight Time
    Message-id: <[email hidden]>

    Quoted message said:

    Michele is like hawki, they enjoy [censored] and belittling.

    and educating...as we are both nurses

    jealous??

    hawki.....

    Naaah, Jan's too busy pretending to "ignore" us. She schedules it in
    along with taking pills made by the pharm. companies she [censored] about
    & line dancing. 😉


  7. Quoted message said:

    [email hidden] (Hawki63) wrote in message


    news:<[email hidden]>...

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    and educating...as we are both nurses

    jealous??

    hawki.....



    Why do you think that being a "nurse" means anything? It's a job. You
    memorize the answers, big deal. I have witnessed more harm done by nurses
    than by Alt. folks.
    Jealous???
    I would think that you might be so shamed as to not admit that, but,
    surprize!

  8. Quoted message said:

    Subject: Re: Michele's emotive terms
    From: "mdd" [email hidden]
    Date: 5/18/2004 11:41 AM Pacific Daylight Time
    Message-id: <[email hidden]>

    Quoted message said:

    Why do you think that being a "nurse" means anything? It's a job. You
    memorize the answers, big deal. I have

    Quoted message said:

    witnessed more harm done by nurses
    than by Alt. folks.
    Jealous???
    I would think that you might be so shamed as to not admit that, but,
    surprize!

    wowie....obviously you have NOT been inside a hospital for quite some time...or
    you would know how out of date you are...

    nurses are with the patient 24/7....nurses are taught to observe,,assess,,make
    changes to treatment plans and act in emergent situations...

    nurses are responsible for reporting any and all changes to the physician
    ,,,request/suggest changes in the treatment plan...and deliver these changes...

    BTW...I am an advanced practice nurse...I see//assess/diagnose and treat by
    myself....without MD intervention (unless of course I seek it..which I do
    without hesitation)

    yes there are bad nurses...they are way overworked...understaffed..and at the
    mercy (in many cases) of for profit hospitals that put patient advocacy at the
    end of the list of priorities...that saddens me,,,

    I became a nurse to help people..and when that becomes too difficult...well I
    seek another job...I refuse to render substandard care..

    I come from a family of nurses...I am proud to be a nurse (tho if I had it to
    do over again..I would probably become a doctor!!)

    write again when you have surgery..or end up in an ICU...and let me know if
    your opinions of nurses are the same

    hawki.....

  9. "Hawki63" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Subject: Re: Michele's emotive terms
    From: "mdd" [email hidden]
    Date: 5/18/2004 11:41 AM Pacific Daylight Time
    Message-id: <[email hidden]>

    Quoted message said:

    Why do you think that being a "nurse" means anything? It's a job. You
    memorize the answers, big deal. I have

    Quoted message said:

    witnessed more harm done by nurses
    than by Alt. folks.
    Jealous???
    I would think that you might be so shamed as to not admit that, but,
    surprize!

    wowie....obviously you have NOT been inside a hospital for quite some


    time...or

    Quoted message said:

    you would know how out of date you are...

    nurses are with the patient 24/7....nurses are taught to


    observe,,assess,,make

    Quoted message said:

    changes to treatment plans and act in emergent situations...

    nurses are responsible for reporting any and all changes to the physician
    ,,,request/suggest changes in the treatment plan...and deliver these


    changes...

    Quoted message said:


    BTW...I am an advanced practice nurse...I see//assess/diagnose and treat


    by

    Quoted message said:

    myself....without MD intervention (unless of course I seek it..which I do
    without hesitation)

    yes there are bad nurses...they are way overworked...understaffed..and at


    the

    Quoted message said:

    mercy (in many cases) of for profit hospitals that put patient advocacy at


    the

    Quoted message said:

    end of the list of priorities...that saddens me,,,

    I became a nurse to help people..and when that becomes too


    difficult...well I

    Quoted message said:

    seek another job...I refuse to render substandard care..

    I come from a family of nurses...I am proud to be a nurse (tho if I had it


    to

    Quoted message said:

    do over again..I would probably become a doctor!!)

    write again when you have surgery..or end up in an ICU...and let me know


    if

    Quoted message said:

    your opinions of nurses are the same

    hawki.....


    hawki, I will reconsider, due to your post. mdd

  10. Quoted message said:

    Subject: Re: Michele's emotive terms
    From: "mdd" [email hidden]
    Date: 5/18/2004 10:41 AM Pacific Standard Time
    Message-id: <[email hidden]>

    Quoted message said:

    [email hidden] (Hawki63) wrote in message


    news:<[email hidden]>...

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    >

    and educating...as we are both nurses

    [censored] nurses, Lord Have Mercy.

    Jan

  11. Quoted message said:

    Subject: Re: Michele's emotive terms
    From: [email hidden] (Jan)
    Date: 5/18/2004 8:27 PM Pacific Daylight Time
    Message-id: <[email hidden]>

    Quoted message said:

    [censored] nurses, Lord Have Mercy.

    Jan

    lol lol lol...

    coming from Janster the diaper changing day care "provider"...

    who continually demonstrates not only her bigotry...but her stupidity in all
    things scientific..

    for instance....perhaps I was the only one who noticed that "just the other
    day" in a discussion regarding whether meds affect the immune system...dear
    Janster jumps in with one of her usual cut and pastes..

    funny...the FIRST cite concerned the drug Valtrex...used for herpes....the
    wording was "do NOT use this med if the immune system is ALREADY weak..ie
    HIV,,,organ transplants,," etc etc

    did it say Valtrex caused such suppression?? course not...it was a WARNING to
    folks as above....ALREADY with "weak" immune systems...

    did Janster know the difference???

    LOL LOL LOL

    just punched in "meds and weakened immune systems"

    never bothered to read it...nor would she be smart enuf to extrapolate the info
    if she had

    sad that

    [censored] nurses??? pray you never end up REALLY sick (not mentally sick as you
    are now)...or you will discover what nurses ARE..

    hawki.....

  12. Quoted message said:

    Subject: Re: Michele's emotive terms
    From: "mdd" [email hidden]
    Date: 5/18/2004 6:08 PM Pacific Daylight Time
    Message-id: <[email hidden]>

    Quoted message said:

    hawki, I will reconsider, due to your post. mdd

    and I appreciate that

    hawki.....

  13. Quoted message said:

    Subject: Re: Michele's emotive terms
    From: [email hidden] (Hawki63)
    Date: 5/18/2004 8:18 PM Pacific Standard Time
    Message-id: <[email hidden]>

    Quoted message said:

    Subject: Re: Michele's emotive terms
    From: [email hidden] (Jan)
    Date: 5/18/2004 8:27 PM Pacific Daylight Time
    Message-id: <[email hidden]>

    Quoted message said:

    [censored] nurses, Lord Have Mercy.

    Jan

    lol lol lol...

    coming from Janster the diaper changing day care "provider"...

    who continually demonstrates not only her bigotry...but her stupidity in all
    things scientific..

    for instance....perhaps I was the only one who noticed that "just the other
    day" in a discussion regarding whether meds affect the immune system...dear
    Janster jumps in with one of her usual cut and pastes..

    funny...the FIRST cite concerned the drug Valtrex...used for herpes....the
    wording was "do NOT use this med if the immune system is ALREADY weak..ie
    HIV,,,organ transplants,," etc etc

    did it say Valtrex caused such suppression?? course not...it was a WARNING
    to
    folks as above....ALREADY with "weak" immune systems...

    did Janster know the difference???

    LOL LOL LOL

    just punched in "meds and weakened immune systems"

    never bothered to read it...nor would she be smart enuf to extrapolate the
    info
    if she had

    sad that

    [censored] nurses??? pray you never end up REALLY sick (not mentally sick as
    you
    are now)...or you will discover what nurses ARE..

    hawki.....

    POINT MADE!!!!! With lies thrown in.

    LOLOLOL

  14. "mdd" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    [email hidden] (Hawki63) wrote in message


    news:<[email hidden]>...

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    >

    and educating...as we are both nurses

    jealous??

    hawki.....



    Why do you think that being a "nurse" means anything? It's a job. You
    memorize the answers, big deal. I have witnessed more harm done by nurses
    than by Alt. folks.
    Jealous???
    I would think that you might be so shamed as to not admit that, but,
    surprize!

    This is true. I saw a recent Dr Phil show where he had his family on
    the show. (For anybody who doesn't know, Dr Phil is the psychologist
    who used to be on Oprah but now has his own show.)
    Anyway, Dr Phil's family have a heridary tendency to putting on
    weight. One of his sisters is a nurse, a diabetic, very overweight and
    very unhealthy. She was also a nurse and claimed she was a very good
    nurse - I think that is past tense as she looked too unhealthy to
    work. So there is no real relationship between being a nurse and
    understanding or applying good health principles.

    Carole
    http://www.austarmetro.com.au/~hubbca/conspiracy.htm

  15. [email hidden] (Hawki63) wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

    Quoted message said:

    wowie....obviously you have NOT been inside a hospital for quite some time...or
    you would know how out of date you are...

    nurses are with the patient 24/7....nurses are taught to observe,,assess,,make
    changes to treatment plans and act in emergent situations...

    nurses are responsible for reporting any and all changes to the physician
    ,,,request/suggest changes in the treatment plan...and deliver these changes...

    BTW...I am an advanced practice nurse...I see//assess/diagnose and treat by
    myself....without MD intervention (unless of course I seek it..which I do
    without hesitation)

    yes there are bad nurses...they are way overworked...understaffed..and at the
    mercy (in many cases) of for profit hospitals that put patient advocacy at the
    end of the list of priorities...that saddens me,,,

    I became a nurse to help people..and when that becomes too difficult...well I
    seek another job...I refuse to render substandard care..

    I come from a family of nurses...I am proud to be a nurse (tho if I had it to
    do over again..I would probably become a doctor!!)

    write again when you have surgery..or end up in an ICU...and let me know if
    your opinions of nurses are the same

    Its not good what is happening to the nursing profession and the
    workforce in general. The emphasis is on better education,
    multi-skilling, working smarter, accountability, cost cutting,
    economic rationalisation etc. which puts the workforce under too much
    pressure. And what effectively happens is that one person with a few
    bits of high-tech equipment does the work of several people.
    But what also is happening is that 50% of people are dissatisfied with
    their careers (this was a survey I heard about in Australia) and
    doesn't necessarily apply to nurses. But I think it shows a trend.

    Carole
    http://www.austarmetro.com.au/~hubbca/conspiracy.htm

  16. [email hidden] (Michele) wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

    Michele, you really can waffle on without saying anything much.

    Instead of name calling why don't you look at some of the issues?
    You can call me all the names under the sun, but it doesn't change the
    fact that conspiracies exist.

    Do you think that calling me a "loon", "ratbag" or a "moron" will
    explain away all the conspiracies that are going on?
    Why don't you try thinking for a change - instead of dismissing ideas
    because they don't fit in with your preconceived ideas of what the
    world is all about?

    Carole
    http://www.austarmetro.com.au/~hubbca/conspiracy.htm

  17. Quoted message said:

    Subject: Re: Michele's emotive terms
    From: [email hidden] (Carole)
    Date: 6/3/2004 7:49 AM Pacific Daylight Time
    Message-id: <[email hidden]>

    Quoted message said:

    Its not good what is happening to the nursing profession and the
    workforce in general. The

    actually the issue in nursing is one word ....UNDERSTAFFING

    Quoted message said:

    . The emphasis is on better educatio

    how is this a problem??

    hawki.....

  18. Quoted message said:

    Subject: Re: Michele's emotive terms
    From: [email hidden] (Carole)
    Date: 6/3/2004 7:33 AM Pacific Daylight Time
    Message-id: <[email hidden]>

    Quoted message said:

    Anyway, Dr Phil's family have a heridary tendency to putting on
    weight. One of his sisters is a nurse, a diabetic, very overweight and
    very unhealthy. She was also a nurse and claimed she was a very

    Quoted message said:

    ood
    nurse - I think that is past tense as she looked too unhealthy to
    work. So there is no real relationship between being a nurse and
    understanding or applying good health principles.

    this statement of yours has NOTHING to do with this statement

    Quoted message said:

    Why do you think that being a "nurse" means anything? It's a job. You

    Quoted message said:

    memorize the answers, big deal. I have witnessed more harm done by nurses
    than by Alt. folks.
    Jealous???

    this person was denigrating an entire profession....very few nurses I KNOW are
    ashamed of their calling..

    and certainly KNOWING what is healthy does not always equate with BEING
    healthy...but the issue here was what a nurse is .....

    hawki.....

  19. "mdd" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    [email hidden] (Hawki63) wrote in message


    news:<[email hidden]>...

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    >

    and educating...as we are both nurses

    jealous??

    hawki.....



    Why do you think that being a "nurse" means anything? It's a job. You
    memorize the answers, big deal.

    If memorizing the answers were all there is to nursing, the job could be
    done by high-school dropouts with Palm Pilots. In reality, what a nurse does
    in the first three seconds after she walks into your hospital room took
    years of experience to learn to do well. You probably won't understand what
    I mean by that statement, but Hawki and Michelle will.

    Quoted message said:

    I have witnessed more harm done by nurses
    than by Alt. folks.

    What harm have you witnessed? What are you doing about it other than making
    the unsupported assertion on this newsgroup.

    --Rich

  20. "Hawki63" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Subject: Re: Michele's emotive terms
    From: [email hidden] (Carole)
    Date: 6/3/2004 7:49 AM Pacific Daylight Time
    Message-id: <[email hidden]>

    Quoted message said:

    Its not good what is happening to the nursing profession and the
    workforce in general. The

    actually the issue in nursing is one word ....UNDERSTAFFING

    That is probably the #1 problem when a patient is not satisfied. I am aware
    of one hospital that is so understaffed that nurse fatigue is interfering
    with the quality of care. I turned over our findings to the risk management
    staff at the liability carrier and warned them that they are looking at some
    eventual large payouts. It is a credit to the professionalism of the nurses
    that they are not making major errors. However, the issue is quite scary,
    and we have a meeting set for next week with the director who has refused to
    hire per diems to help out.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    . The emphasis is on better educatio

    how is this a problem??

    Carole does not understand education.

    Quoted message said:

    hawki.....

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