MHL in Sweeden

"Tom Crispin" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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I had a visit today from two people who work for a European
sustainable transport partnership. One was from Sweeden.

They spend ten minutes watching me teaching 6 year olds to cycle for
the first time. I then arranged for them to see a PowerPoint slide
show of children cycling, and speak with two Year 6 (11 year olds)
pupils about their experiences of cycling, and cycle training.

One of the pupils can be seen at the front here with her helmet
dangling on the handlebars.
http://www.johnballcycling.org.uk/photos/groupchild.jpg

That looks like a smaller version of my old Apollo XC26s - after a few
modifications it was a lovely bike despite the brand!

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Tom Crispin twisted the electrons to say:

Quoted message said:

One of the pupils can be seen at the front here with her helmet
dangling on the handlebars.
http://www.johnballcycling.org.uk/photos/groupchild.jpg

Whilst stook in traffic yesterday morning I was passed about 8 posties on
bikes. All of them had their (required by the Royal Mail because it's
"uniform"😉 helmets on, only 3 of them had the chin straps done up!

One of these days I'll get around to asking the Royal Mail if they've
noticed any change in the number head injuries. Aught to be a good
question to ask, since the number of cyclists shouldn't have changed much
as a result of the mandatory helmet wearing.
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On Thu, 19 Apr 2007 18:52:33 +0100

Tom Crispin said:

Sweed: In Sweeden all children under 15 must wear a helmet.

Ouch!

Back in the 1970s when I was growing up in England and Sweden,
the momentum was just building towards making helmets mandatory
for moped riders. In the UK, we took that for granted.

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Tom: Have you looked at cyclehelmets.org?

Tom++ :-)

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Tom Crispin said:

I had a visit today from two people who work for a European
sustainable transport partnership. One was from Sweeden.

They spend ten minutes watching me teaching 6 year olds to cycle for
the first time. I then arranged for them to see a PowerPoint slide
show of children cycling, and speak with two Year 6 (11 year olds)
pupils about their experiences of cycling, and cycle training.

One of the pupils can be seen at the front here with her helmet
dangling on the handlebars.http://www.johnballcycling.org.uk/photos/groupchild.jpg

The conversation moved onto helmets...

Sweed: Do you always wear a helmet?
Child E: Sometimes.
Child P: When I'm with Mr Crispin.
Sweed: Don't you think it would make you safer?
Child E: Maybe, but it makes my head hot.
Sweed: What do you do to make yourself safe?
Child P: I check my brakes.
Sweed: Do you think that's safer than a helmet.
Child P: It means that I can stop safely.
Child E: I check my tyres, you can skid easily if your tyres are
flat.
Sweed: In Sweeden all children under 15 must wear a helmet.
Tom: What happens if they don't?
Sweed: Nothing. The police can't do anything, they're too young. One
mother was fined I think because her child on the back, they have to
wear helmets too, wasn't wearing a helmet.
Tom: I think there are more important safety considerations.
Sweed: There are 1,500 cycling head injuries in Sweeden every year.
About 60% could be prevented by wearing helmets. I am campaigning to
make it law for everyone to wear helmets.
Tom: Have you looked at cyclehelmets.org?
Sweed: What's their address?

She took down the address.

Overall the meeting was a great success.

With a bit of luck I'll be visiting other European cities in the
partnership to spread the word about my cycle training project.

Some people will do anything for a free holiday!

Good work. I have no knowledge of Swedish cycling but I have read a
couple of their 'medical articles' and they assume helmets work with
no evidence. I think that at least one did not even quote TRT 🙂

Den 2007-04-20 00:48:33 skrev Nick Kew <[email hidden]>:

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On Thu, 19 Apr 2007 18:52:33 +0100

Tom Crispin said:

Swede: In Sweden all children under 15 must wear a helmet.

Ouch!

The skull has holes in it until early adulthood. This is the reason for
the under-15 law. The reason the holes are there is because the skull
bones can flex and move around to allow the head to grow. When the head is
finished growing, the skull seals shut. I didn't use big words to explain
this, which is good because now we all know what we're talking about.

Source text:
"In normal development, bones that meet at each cranial suture fuse
together at different rates that allow for normal expansion of the brain
and soft tissues during infancy and childhood. By early adulthood the
fusion of all craniofacial sutures are completed."
http://www.hopkinsmedicine.org/craniofacial/LynmProject/DV/DVPN/DVPN1.HTM

Those I've spoken to here in Sweden can confirm that bicycle education in
schools is very poor, almost completely dominated by helmet propaganda.
Luckily many towns have had success in increasing cycling rates, so people
aren't frightened off from trying:

Cycling to and from the inner city (innerstadssnittet) in Stockholm
doubled from 1991 to 2006. From 1998 to 2006 it increased 55%. (page 10)
Car traffic to and from the inner city rose 2% from 1991 to 2004. The
share of cycles of the entire vehicle traffic during that period rose from
four to eight per cent. (page 11)
http://www.stockholm.se/upload/Fackforvaltningar/Trafikkontoret/Pdf/Cyklar/Utvärdering%20av%20cykelbanor%20och%20cykelfält%201998-2006_20070214.pdf

Some nice graphs showing 25% increases in cycling the first year of the
Stockholm congestion tax (2006).
http://www.dn.se/DNet/road/Classic/article/12/jsp/flframeset.jsp?a=572454&d=1298&redirectTo=/content/1/c6/57/24/54/cyklar.swf&mediaType=flash&mediaFile=cyklar.swf

Erik Sandblom
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Erik Sandblom said:

Den 2007-04-20 00:48:33 skrev Nick Kew <[email hidden]>:

Quoted message said:

On Thu, 19 Apr 2007 18:52:33 +0100
Tom Crispin <[email hidden]> wrote:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Swede: In Sweden all children under 15 must wear a helmet.

Quoted message said:

Ouch!

The skull has holes in it until early adulthood. This is the reason for
the under-15 law. The reason the holes are there is because the skull
bones can flex and move around to allow the head to grow. When the head is
finished growing, the skull seals shut. I didn't use big words to explain
this, which is good because now we all know what we're talking about.

For the same reason they should have compulsory helmets for soccer
players and ban heading the ball in youth football.
More kids are killed running into goal posts each year in UK than from
HI in a cycle accident.

...d

David Martin wrote on 23/04/2007 13:27 +0100:

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More kids are killed running into goal posts each year in UK than from
HI in a cycle accident.

Interesting stat. Do you have a reference to it?

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"The most savage controversies are those about matters as to which there
is no good evidence either way."
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Alistair Gunn said:

One of these days I'll get around to asking the Royal Mail if they've
noticed any change in the number head injuries. Aught to be a good
question to ask, since the number of cyclists shouldn't have changed much
as a result of the mandatory helmet wearing.

I wonder if they're counting, and if it's statistically significant
even if they are. I shouldn't think it would mean much anyway. From
what I see around me the wearing rate among posties is lower than in
the general population in spite of the threat of dismissal.

--
Dave...

Erik Sandblom said:

Source text:
" ... By early adulthood the fusion of all craniofacial sutures are
completed."
http://www.hopkinsmedicine.org/craniofacial/LynmProject/DV/DVPN/DVPN1...

It sets my teeth on edge when I see a grammatical error like this in
academic writing. Do other people have a similar reaction or am I over-
sensitive?

--
Dave...

"Erik Sandblom" quoted:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

" ... By early adulthood the fusion of all craniofacial sutures are
completed."

and dkahn400 responded:

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It sets my teeth on edge when I see a grammatical error like this in
academic writing. Do other people have a similar reaction or am I over-
sensitive?

No, it aren't just you.

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dkahn400 wrote on 23/04/2007 19:01 +0100:

Quoted message said:

Erik Sandblom said:

Source text:
" ... By early adulthood the fusion of all craniofacial sutures are
completed."
http://www.hopkinsmedicine.org/craniofacial/LynmProject/DV/DVPN/DVPN1...

It sets my teeth on edge when I see a grammatical error like this in
academic writing. Do other people have a similar reaction or am I over-
sensitive?

No, it does it for I also.

--
Tony

"The most savage controversies are those about matters as to which there
is no good evidence either way."
- Bertrand Russell

dkahn400 <[email hidden]>typed

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On Apr 23, 1:35 am, "Erik Sandblom" <[email hidden]> wrote:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Source text:
" ... By early adulthood the fusion of all craniofacial sutures are
completed."
http://www.hopkinsmedicine.org/craniofacial/LynmProject/DV/DVPN/DVPN1...

Quoted message said:

It sets my teeth on edge when I see a grammatical error like this in
academic writing. Do other people have a similar reaction or am I over-
sensitive?

Quoted message said:

--
Dave...

I am the same. I appreciate editing international journals can be
problematic. Grammar is often uncorrected. I'm not sure if that is to
prevent upsetting writers or apathy.

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Danny Colyer <[email hidden]>typed

Quoted message said:

"Erik Sandblom" quoted:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

" ... By early adulthood the fusion of all craniofacial sutures are
completed."

Quoted message said:

and dkahn400 responded:

Quoted message said:

It sets my teeth on edge when I see a grammatical error like this in
academic writing. Do other people have a similar reaction or am I over-
sensitive?

Quoted message said:

No, it aren't just you.

It are me too.

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Edgware.

Helen Deborah Vecht wrote on 24/04/2007 11:17 +0100:

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I am the same. I appreciate editing international journals can be
problematic. Grammar is often uncorrected. I'm not sure if that is to
prevent upsetting writers or apathy.

It is something where I may be partially guilty. Working in Japan many
years ago I had a go at journal editors over their grammar policies.
Non-english speaking authors were getting rejected not because of the
scientific content but because of their english grammar. I helped the
guys I was working with but the vast majority had no access to native
english speakers other than paying large amounts of money. I therefore
lobbied that english should not be used to reject papers unless it
rendered the meaning unclear. I am sure James Annan sees the problem
though still today with his Japanese colleagues and the calls on his
time to help them get the english sorted in their papers.

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"The most savage controversies are those about matters as to which there
is no good evidence either way."
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Tony Raven said:

dkahn400 wrote on 23/04/2007 19:01 +0100:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

It sets my teeth on edge when I see a grammatical error like this in
academic writing. Do other people have a similar reaction or am I over-
sensitive?

No, it does it for I also.

Then we is all in agreement.

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Dave...

Tony Raven said:

David Martin wrote on 23/04/2007 13:27 +0100:

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More kids are killed running into goal posts each year in UK than from
HI in a cycle accident.

Interesting stat. Do you have a reference to it?

I can't find the original right now. This would be of interest though
(from the US) http://aappolicy.aappublications.org/cgi/content/full/pediatrics;105/3/659

...d

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Martin (') said:

Tony Raven said:

David Martin wrote on 23/04/2007 13:27 +0100:

Quoted message said:

More kids are killed running into goal posts each year in UK than from
HI in a cycle accident.

Interesting stat. Do you have a reference to it?

I can't find the original right now.

If you do find it, could you post it?

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Den 2007-04-24 17:27:50 skrev David Martin
<[email hidden]>:

Quoted message said:

Tony Raven said:

David Martin wrote on 23/04/2007 13:27 +0100:

Quoted message said:

More kids are killed running into goal posts each year in UK than from
HI in a cycle accident.

Interesting stat. Do you have a reference to it?

I can't find the original right now. This would be of interest though
(from the US)
http://aappolicy.aappublications.org/cgi/content/full/pediatrics;105/3/659

It recommends protective eyewear and mouth guards to help reduce the
number of some nonfatal head and facial injuries.

You do mean that the rate of soccer accidents is higher, right? Not the
total number?

Erik Sandblom

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It's really nice to hear about those kids and their response to
questioning about helmet use - they sound very well educated and
thoughtful and it sounds like they can really think for themselves and
express their point of view, even if an adult disagrees with it.
Hurrah! Hope you are proud of them TC!