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  1. I just added this article to my trials article I wrote up in the
    tutorial and article section of the forums, 'here'
    (http://www.unicyclist.com/forums/showthread.php?t=51767).

    I am gonna re-post the article here because I know the Article and
    tutorial section doesn't get as much action as RSU does, so here you
    go, read it, enjoy it, try to use it.

    'The Placebo Affect' (http://hht.ovh.org/tra.php)

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  2. Around 60 views and no replies...

    No one wants to discuss about this? Have any of the people that read it
    tried it?

    I have, and I have been gapping a lot farther than I used to, its all
    mental baby! Well, ok, maybe half. 🙄

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  3. Jerrick said:

    Around 60 views and no replies...

    No one wants to discuss about this? Have any of the people that read it
    tried it?

    I have, and I have been gapping a lot farther than I used to, its all
    mental baby! Well, ok, maybe half. 🙄

    All of that is pretty much understood by anyone with half a brain. All
    that guy said is, "I have old ideas, I don't know grammar at all, and
    I'm going to use a lot of very bad research/guesses to back up my
    obvious arguments."

    And am I the only one that HATES IT WHEN PEOPLE SAY 110%!!!!

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  4. AscenXion said:


    And am I the only one that HATES IT WHEN PEOPLE SAY 110%!!!!

    Why do you hate it? It is a perfectly reasonable thing to say in some
    circumstances.

    I went 100% further than yesterday: I rode twice as far as I did
    yesterday.

    I went 110% further than yesterday: I rode twenty-one tenths as far as
    I did yesterday. Or two and one tenth as far? More than doubled
    lacks precision.
    I'll stick with 110% further for that one.

    Nao ... and does that qualify me for thread jack club entry?

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  5. Naomi said:

    Why do you hate it? It is a perfectly reasonable thing to say in some
    circumstances.

    I agree with the "some". You took a good example.
    A percentage is calculated regarding a reference. If the reference
    point can be overpassed there is no problem to actually use percentages
    higher than 100.
    So now if you consider the capacity of a glass. Can you fill it at 110%
    ? The question is idiot, i have to confess.
    But what about brain dedication, are you more accurate when you say
    110%. I don't like it neither. Maybe because i'll never be able to know
    if i am 110% or just 95% dedicated and i feel frustrated.

    I already noticed how my brain can block me.
    For a large gap for example, once i have checked i already did gaps
    like that i throw the jump, confident.
    For a new trick i have never landed and injured myself last time i
    tried it, i know that if i want to land it, i have to try it. So i
    check my leg protections, the position of my sensitive parts, and
    launch me as confident as possible.
    But it is not always possible.
    If there is a deep hole next to the gap for example, i can't stop
    feeling it and my legs can only deliver 50% ;-) of their power... I end
    giving up a really easy jump.

    Manuel

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  6. Naomi said:

    Why do you hate it? It is a perfectly reasonable thing to say in some
    circumstances.

    In circumstances where the value is constrained to 100% by definition,
    in this case "brain power", I feel his pain.

    Similarly, the horrific use of "like" was getting on my nerves until I
    reached "summit" and could take it no longer.

    Phil

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  7. Naomi said:

    Why do you hate it? It is a perfectly reasonable thing to say in some
    circumstances.

    I went 100% further than yesterday: I rode twice as far as I did
    yesterday.

    I went 110% further than yesterday: I rode twenty-one tenths as far as
    I did yesterday. Or two and one tenth as far? More than doubled
    lacks precision.
    I'll stick with 110% further for that one.

    Nao ... and does that qualify me for thread jack club entry?

    Because you're asian (sorry I mean oriental 😉) and a girl, I'll let
    that slide. 😄

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    You've obviously shown your colors and proven that only a narrow band
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  8. Jerrick said:

    Around 60 views and no replies...

    No one wants to discuss about this? Have any of the people that read it
    tried it?

    I refuse to read white text on a black background.

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  9. AscenXion said:

    All of that is pretty much understood by anyone with half a brain. All
    that guy said is, "I have old ideas, I don't know grammar at all, and
    I'm going to use a lot of very bad research/guesses to back up my
    obvious arguments."

    Quoted message said:

    I think you guys got the wrong idea about what this article is. It's
    not some guy reserching the placebo effect and trying to prove a point.
    TRA is an amazing biketrials rider. He easily clears lines that don't
    look possable. In his last video he sidehopped 124cm OVER a 2x4. the
    placebo effect is often ignored or forgotten, and wrote this article to
    help other trials riders realize their full potential as he has.

    'Gravity' (http://videos.observedtrials.net/Gravity.wmv) is not the
    issue.

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  10. That's an amazing video! I didn't even imagine things like that could be
    done!:eek:

    I mean the gravity one.

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  11. The gravity one is awesome, I like where he breaks the chain, or
    somepart around there, and he has his friends push him to get speed and
    he still does trials lines.

    For the article, I think a lot of muniers do this, mainly the
    northshore style riders, where they are riding skinnies high up in the
    air, and doing 8 foot drops, you cant be scared or tense up on those,
    or its not gonna end up nicely.

    Trials riders probably dont do it as much as they should, because all
    of us can land and gap farther then we think we can.

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  12. AscenXion said:

    ..you're asian (sorry I mean oriental 😉) ...

    🙄

    :p

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  13. onetrack said:


    AscenXion said:

    All of that is pretty much understood by anyone with half a brain. All
    that guy said is, "I have old ideas, I don't know grammar at all, and
    I'm going to use a lot of very bad research/guesses to back up my
    obvious arguments."

    Quoted message said:

    I think you guys got the wrong idea about what this article is. It's
    not some guy reserching the placebo effect and trying to prove a point.
    TRA is an amazing biketrials rider. He easily clears lines that don't
    look possable. In his last video he sidehopped 124cm OVER a 2x4. the
    placebo effect is often ignored or forgotten, and wrote this article to
    help other trials riders realize their full potential as he has.

    'Gravity' (http://videos.observedtrials.net/Gravity.wmv) is not the
    issue.

    No, we didn't (at least I didn't) we know full well what he's
    talking about. We all agree with him, too. It's just that what he
    took forever saying (badly I might add) it would take a normal
    person one sentence, "Believe you can do it, and you can". I mean,
    this is old, Yoda said it a long time ago (really long I guess
    since it was "a long time ago" when it took place) "There is no
    try, there is do or do not" (that's paraphrasing btw)

    Anywho, he's a pretty good rider, but I've seen MUCH more
    incredible things out there. One of those Zoo riders is CRAZY.

    However, I guess I hafta thank you, cuz you just inspired me to
    about two hours of research to see if the bike he was riding was
    now legal in comps. I had never seen a Stock (26"😉 bike run as a
    single-speed before. And the rules on Wikipedia state that a Stock
    bike must have at least 6 working gears. So...thanx. 🙂

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  14. The Brain study has always been out there. Yes there is a low amount
    being used. Actually if you could use almost all your brain you could
    hop about 600 or so cm. Why not? It would be the transfer of energy
    through the air medium. Completely possible (no sarcasim). It's
    believed we could all fly, move things with our minds, read minds, tell
    the future, if we used 100%. To me believing in yourself and what not
    only helps if your going really big. If there's no fear, (tech stuff),
    it doesn't really matter, It's just what the body does.

    -Shaun Johanneson

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  15. ax,
    uci just recently thew out the 6 working gears rule. As a result,
    singlespeed stock frames are now being mass produced. Outside a comp, I
    havn't seen a shiftable stock in years.

    Both zoo! riders only ride urban (at least in their vids). It's hard to
    compare that with natural trials.

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  16. onetrack said:

    ax,
    uci just recently thew out the 6 working gears rule. As a result,
    singlespeed stock frames are now being mass produced. Outside a comp, I
    havn't seen a shiftable stock in years.

    Both zoo! riders only ride urban (at least in their vids). It's hard to
    compare that with natural trials.

    Yeah, even the rules on their webpage still show the 6 gear rule,
    though. Someone needs to do some updating.

    And yeah, they ride different stuff kinda. But I've seen the Zoo rider
    do everything that this guy did, and he just did it better. More
    control, more height, more power. Like the picnic table hop at the end,
    this guy missed, and it didn't look as far as 10', but the zoo rider
    did it. And the side hops, he could only get about 3/4 as high as the
    Zoo guy...that's all.

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  17. nooooooooooooooooooooooooo,
    the link doesn't work anymore....🙁

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    its like doing drugs except healthier

    dan de man said:

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  18. Loaded for me. Took a while though.

    Basically, the article is saying that the human body can perform a lot
    better than we allow it to. The capabilities we have, for this
    instance, gapping on a uni, can be increased if we didnt let our mind
    get in the way.

    It really works, cause there are gaps I know I can do, and my friends
    can do easily, but because of where its at, or how high, our brain
    tells us its harder than it really is, so when we try the gap, we tense
    up and lose it.

    Blocking out those reactions will make you a better rider. It gives you
    more confidence, more 'juice' to do what you know you can get.

    Block your mind from putting a block on your capabilities, and youll be
    riding better.

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  19. Quoted message said:


    MENTALITY - The use of the brain, it's a forgotten subject. The placebo
    effect.

    It's the brain that controls everything, and very few people do really
    know how strong the brain really is. I say that if you convince the
    brain enough, you can see a pink dragon if you like to, its just all
    about being strong enough mentally a guy told me. That was when i was
    doing moto trials. He said "If I have a pain in my back. I don't think
    if there's something wrong with it. I think of my life, if something
    isn't the way it should be, what is stressing me, that is most likely
    the problem" The brain makes it into a pain. That is child stuff for
    the brain. There are so many hidden powers in there that you should try
    to use. People use far from all their strength normally. There have
    been mothers who have lifted cars because the children were laying
    under it. If you set your brain to it 110% you will get a lot more out
    of it then normally (anything really). I guess you use like 70% of your
    true strength, even though you try to use em all! The use of the brain
    is also like 12% or summit ridiculous low like that.

    So when your going at stuff in trials you should concentrate on using
    ALL of your hidden powers in you to get that little extra. Maybe you
    can even like sidehop 10" higher! Mental blocks... If you don't trust
    in yourself you will never make it. Sometimes I can see that in the
    eyes of other rider's if they are going to make it up or not. When
    you're going at something you can't think, "I don't think I'll make it
    up". You have to commit 110% and think "I'm making it up here!!!" No
    matter WHAT! ABSOLUTELY committed is what you have to be! You will see
    this everywhere, for example in weight lifting, do you think the guy
    going for 600 pounds in bench press thinks "This is so heavy I'm not
    going to make it!" No, he is thinking more like: "aaargh this is going
    up no matter what! I'm giving it ALL, I got ARGHH!" AND he gets it up,
    you think it stops there? No! Then when he have gotten it up he
    shouts/thinks, "that was easy!" Why? Because if you have the right
    attitude, the right way of thinking, if you convince the brain enough
    you can do anything!

    Some have mental blocks in like "oh I can't ride in rain, I can't ride
    when it's slippery" or something like that. If you think that you will
    automatically stink in it even though you might actually be good at it.
    What you should do is to try to get rid of all your mental blocks,
    instead of saying to yourself "I suck when it's slippery". You say "I'm
    actually quite good when it's slippery". Of course "slippery" is just
    an example; it can be about everything really, gaps, side hops,
    braking.

    Fear is a mental block, if your afraid when your doing something you
    can't concentrate properly, you have to eliminate all fear! You should
    be aware of the danger but you should not be afraid. How to do it? Well
    that's mostly for you to find out, the best thing is not to think at
    all! Don't think of the danger, just do it! I have another saying that
    is "Gravity? No respect!" This have helped me a lot, I don't want to do
    40 inches side hop and 7 feet drops, what is that? That is nearly flat!
    I want to do 70inch side hops and 30 feet drops! Therefore I train and
    have a dream of getting unmanly springiness and physique (I wear a
    superman bracelet on my arm). I love to fly! Jumping down 15 feet to
    legs on grass is just a laugh for me. Some times I wonder what would
    have happened if I didn't believe in myself falling the 15 feet. It
    would probably turn out ugly! "20 feet you might think "That is a super
    human!" But it may only be that he has belief in himself and knows what
    he`s doing, nothing else" He knows it will turn out well, that is
    nothing!! The human body is capable of so much more than you actually
    think.

    So what to do while riding a section (or whatever)? You should not
    think at all, don't think at the consequences, the danger, if your
    gonna make it or not, just ride. When coming to hard parts like a big
    side hop or gap, concentrate a bit more to use all those extra powers
    to get up, maybe a bit more on techniques but they should come
    automatically. But the thing that is really vital and have sooo much to
    say is how much you struggle to get up, one dab is one point so you
    should NOT dab! Give it some real effort, jump around like a freaking
    monkey if you have to, but do not put that foot down! Here is no point
    of being lazy, do WHATEVER you can to not set that foot down (THIS IS
    REALLY IMPORTANT). Giving that little extra effort (or huge) to not put
    a foot down could have everything to say, you might end up at 20th
    place instead of first! But it isn't just in competitions you do this.
    It's whenever! If you put down a foot in training, you will probably
    put a foot down when it counts as well, because that's what you're used
    to.

    Bruce Lee once said "You should do it with real effort, not anger, but
    with feelings"

    But what should you have in mind in general when riding trials? A lot
    of guys have the wrong thoughts when riding, thinking stuff like "I'm
    gonna show em", And when failing at stuff (they could never do at first
    place) they say "OH OMG! THIS IS SO F***ING BAD ¤#%#%"#"#%#" ARGH
    DAMMIT WHY THE F*** ?=!! ! THIS SUCK!!" This is a very bad thing. You
    make yourself angry/unstable and not capable of riding. When riding you
    should only have one thought and that is to ride! Keeping in mind from
    before, always struggle hard to NOT put that foot down. If you do fail
    do a little "dammit" or nothing at all, you failed, it isn't lethal.
    Just think of what you did wrong and leave it behind you. There's
    nothing more to do, it have happened and you just have to forget it.
    JUST RIDE AND GIVE IT EFFORT!

    Remember that if you want to be good, you really have to work for it.
    You didn't come out of your mom with a trials bike in your hands! (Even
    then you would most likely suck without training) When I'm training on
    touch hops, I may be doing 5 touch hops in a row with ease and still
    not be happy with the result. I maybe didn't get the height I want.

    So I hope you understand how the brain works now.. Remember, I do not
    say thinking right away it will make you do 60" side hops. Fitness is a
    huge part of it. But that will be in another article. But it will help
    you to become a better rider. Not just bike trials, but it can help you
    in everything you do.

    In short:

    - Be sure you make it!
    - 110% dedicated!
    - Reach out for all those hidden powers and use them!!
    - Get rid of any mental blocks. Be positive!!
    - Get a goal to work towards. You have to have an ambition, this is
    REALLY important!!
    - You should not think while riding a section (or whatever), if you get
    into trouble, then stop and think (keeping in mind you do from before
    always struggle hard to NOT put that foot down)
    - Just ride and give it effort!
    - The placebo effect, if you just believe it enough, the mind makes it
    real.

    You have probably had a dream that you were so sure were real. The
    brain is capable of so much. I have dreamt that I was flying across
    mountains. I have made up a landscape in my mind, a landscape with
    millions of trees; there are rivers, snow, little branches, waves, and
    different unknown people. It's just so strong.

    - Thomas Remvik Aasen

    I copied it for you.

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  20. thx

    that's really interesting

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    vuniw said:

    its like doing drugs except healthier

    dan de man said:

    this game is worse that playing Rock Paper Sissors on an internet forum

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