Memogate gets uglier for Kerry

TritonRider said:

http://www.usatoday.com/news/politicselections/nation/president/2004-09-20
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Bill C

Uglier for CBS than anyone. As for Kerry and Lockhart it's potentially
losing a trump card. Are the documents real or not? Has that been
definitively answered or is everything sinking into the mud.

Oh, and what does this have to do with rbr? Any further revelations on
how the candidates stack up with bikes? (rimshot)

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Uglier for CBS than anyone.

CBS's attempt to smear Bush reminds me when someone here posts something
like, oh and by the way did you know that Jacques Anquetil was a pervert.
Who cares, what he did 30 years ago.

Callistus Valerius said:

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Uglier for CBS than anyone.

CBS's attempt to smear Bush reminds me when someone here posts something
like, oh and by the way did you know that Jacques Anquetil was a pervert.
Who cares, what he did 30 years ago.

If you're a sponsor you might be a bit concerned that your star rider
got busted for downloading kiddie pr0n. It's all relative, more or less.

*waffle* *waffle*

true political genius to have a sneaky, coddled draft dodger get the
upper hand in a scandal involving someone who actually risked his life
fighting. The medium is the message.

Hope your kids all like paying off the war on Iraq, @ 200 billion $US,
is that about $800 for every man, woman and child in the US? Before
interest. Unless of course you're rich. Then you don't have to pay-
You collect; likes Bush's brother Neil, to the tune of 27 million or
so from the S&L scandal.

I have to get used to the fact that things never, ever change, nor do
the lies of the privileged.

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Bill C

In between Bush failing his physical and not reporting for duty, that
sure does look ugly for Kerry.

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Bill C

In between Bush failing his physical and not reporting for duty, that
sure does look ugly for Kerry.

Yeah, for Kerry to pass his physicals he musta been on something. Too
bad the army didn't perform mandatory drug testing back then, put only
clean guys into uniform. Oh, that probably would have nailed Bush, too,
but he wasn't actually given a gun that could hurt anybody.

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Yeah, for Kerry to pass his physicals he musta been on something. Too
bad the army didn't perform mandatory drug testing back then, put only
clean guys into uniform. Oh, that probably would have nailed Bush, too,
but he wasn't actually given a gun that could hurt anybody.

Wasn't everyone on drugs then?

🙂

Richard Adams said:

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Yeah, for Kerry to pass his physicals he musta been on something. Too
bad the army didn't perform mandatory drug testing back then, put only
clean guys into uniform. Oh, that probably would have nailed Bush, too,
but he wasn't actually given a gun that could hurt anybody.

Callistus Valerius said:

Wasn't everyone on drugs then?

No, Keith Moon was as clean as LANCE.

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Bill C

In between Bush failing his physical and not reporting for duty, that
sure does look ugly for Kerry.

Kerry doesn't look bad, none of his people brought this up, Dan
Rather looks like a chump now and CBS news. Don't know how you can
bring Kerry into this, as far as we know, Kerry's side has nothing
to do with this.

Tom

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Yeah, for Kerry to pass his physicals he musta been on something. Too
bad the army didn't perform mandatory drug testing back then, put only
clean guys into uniform. Oh, that probably would have nailed Bush, too,
but he wasn't actually given a gun that could hurt anybody.

Wasn't everyone on drugs then?

🙂

Thet thar's purty durn suspishus, lahk whut kinda sick-o wud keep offa
them drugs win everwun aylse is doon 'em, eh? Ya gotta ax them kinda
kwestshuns...

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Bill C

In between Bush failing his physical and not reporting for duty, that
sure does look ugly for Kerry.

Kerry doesn't look bad, none of his people brought this up, Dan
Rather looks like a chump now and CBS news. Don't know how you can
bring Kerry into this, as far as we know, Kerry's side has nothing
to do with this.

Tom

You ought to know by now that during these final weeks there will be
people coming out of the wood work who can spin better than a
battalion of quantum physicists.

"Kerry didn't know anything about Bush's record because HE WAS OUT OF
THE LOOP!"

Truth be stranger than fiction.

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Bill C

In between Bush failing his physical and not reporting for duty, that
sure does look ugly for Kerry.

Kerry doesn't look bad, none of his people brought this up, Dan
Rather looks like a chump now and CBS news. Don't know how you can
bring Kerry into this, as far as we know, Kerry's side has nothing
to do with this.

Tom

Sorry forgot my emoticon. I was being sarcastic. Enough OT for today.

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"Kerry didn't know anything about Bush's record because HE WAS OUT OF
THE LOOP!"

Truth be stranger than fiction.

It just amuses me that exactly the same people who were screaming that the
Bush campaign was writing the Swift Boat boys stuff based on some pretty tenuos
contacts are the first ones screaming that the Kerry camp obviously had nothing
to do with Rathergate.
You will notice that Howard has been fairly quiet. If you haven't had a
political discussion (not pissing match) you have missed a really good
experience. Howard is definitely left, but does his homework, when he says
something he has background, he listens and responds intelligently and
honestly.
Lots of people around here on both sides could take a lesson, me included at
times.
Bill C

(TritonRider) said:

Quoted message said:

From: [email hidden] (Richard Adams)

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"Kerry didn't know anything about Bush's record because HE WAS OUT OF
THE LOOP!"

Truth be stranger than fiction.

It just amuses me that exactly the same people who were screaming that the
Bush campaign was writing the Swift Boat boys stuff based on some pretty tenuos
contacts are the first ones screaming that the Kerry camp obviously had nothing
to do with Rathergate.

It's completely unknown who was behind memogate (beyond CBS). The
links between Republican donors and Swift Boats vets are clear.

Also, the information in the faked memos is generally similar to
information that is known to be true (I'm not saying that makes faking
things right). Whereas the stories of the Swiftboat people contradict
other documentary evidence.

If the memos were from the Kerry camp (or Democratic leaders) that is
heinous. But there is no evidence about that.

JT

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From: John Forrest Tomlinson [email hidden]

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If the memos were from the Kerry camp (or Democratic leaders) that is
heinous. But there is no evidence about that.

JT

I'm not going to dispute the that Bush was a lousy Airhead. I'm also not going
to write off the Kerry camp knowing what was going on based on their denials.
My personal opinion is that Rather knew there were questions about the source
and ran with it anyway since it fit his politics.
If this had been reversed Mike Moore would be in every news provider screaming
for a huge investigation and they'd be giving him the space to do it.
How about we try dropping the insinuations, slander(ducking Brian's lawyerese
on what constitutes slander), half truths, etc..
Clinton was a draft dodger, Kerry showed up and did his job, Bush showed up
sometimes and was a [censored]. For me Kerry and his friends have been on a 40 year
mission to screw over, criminalize, and dehumanize our military. An awful lot
of it based on testimony that has been proven false and the reports are saying
VVAW staged a lot of this false testimony. and he has still not apologized for
it. Jane Fonda did.
Bush/Cheney/Scumsfeld want to do for the military what they want to do for the
environment which is rape it so it's ugly from both sides.
Let's try something novel and stick to issues and facts in a political
campaign.
Bill C

(TritonRider) said:

For me Kerry and his friends have been on a 40 year
mission to screw over, criminalize, and dehumanize our military.

When you bring this up this way it suggests biases are clouding your
judgement as it relates to the memos. It's fine not to like Kerry but
that shouldn't affect your opinion of whether or not he was behind the
fake memos. That should be based on what we know about them.

JT

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(TritonRider) said:

For me Kerry and his friends have been on a 40 year
mission to screw over, criminalize, and dehumanize our military.

When you bring this up this way it suggests biases are clouding your
judgement as it relates to the memos. It's fine not to like Kerry but
that shouldn't affect your opinion of whether or not he was behind the
fake memos. That should be based on what we know about them.

Why do you often lambaste people for cycling related, but off-RBR topic then
go ahead and add fuel/NOISE to the fire John? B I Z A R R E.

-Ken

On Wed, 22 Sep 2004 01:55:29 GMT, "Ken Papai" <[email hidden]>

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Why do you often lambaste people for cycling related, but off-RBR topic then
go ahead and add fuel/NOISE to the fire John? B I Z A R R E.

I don't know. I never start off-topic discussions. If you want to
stop any offtopic discussions, please stop them when they start.

JT

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Quoted message said:

From: [email hidden] (Richard Adams)

Quoted message said:

"Kerry didn't know anything about Bush's record because HE WAS OUT OF
THE LOOP!"

Truth be stranger than fiction.

It just amuses me that exactly the same people who were screaming that the
Bush campaign was writing the Swift Boat boys stuff based on some pretty
tenuos
contacts are the first ones screaming that the Kerry camp obviously had
nothing
to do with Rathergate.
You will notice that Howard has been fairly quiet. If you haven't had a
political discussion (not pissing match) you have missed a really good
experience. Howard is definitely left, but does his homework, when he says
something he has background, he listens and responds intelligently and
honestly.
Lots of people around here on both sides could take a lesson, me included at
times.
Bill C

Well, I suppose I should thank you, Bill. Thank you.

I think CBS choked hard on this one. They didn't do enough investigating
prior to running the story, and they certainly didn't respond properly once
it looked like there were problems with the docs. It'd be nice to get the
down-low on the source. But I do find it pretty amusing that some are
raising so much of a stink about getting the source out on this when they
seem completely unconcerned with finding out who was the source on the
Plame leak/punishment move on Joseph Wilson. Get to the bottom of a felony?
Bah! Goddamn Novak even made comments that CBS needed to reveal their
source - what irony is that?

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tanx,
Howard

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