{Melb} Burnley Wharf Ramps

There has been some recoating done on the ramps between Punt and MAry St, it would appear (approx 1-2 months ago?)
but the ones near the wharfs are still hairy in the wrong conditions.
My personal beef is the unnecessary inverted-V-profile metal joins still present in some of the pontoon joins. Half have been replaced with perfectly flat ones but the other half remain. (my only be 2-3 ?)

Some of the corners on the pontoon/paths along there are jutting out quite a way too. The kink approx 50m east of Chapel St comes to mind, as does the eastbound approach to Mary St bend as you get back onto land could be curved/leaning out too perhaps?

flyingdutch said:

My personal beef is the unnecessary inverted-V-profile metal joins still present in some of the pontoon joins. Half have been replaced with perfectly flat ones but the other half remain. (my only be 2-3 ?)

Yesh, I wonder about that.. some weere changed to flat ones just before the Comm Games (I think), but the one that used to be really massive on the wharf pontoon was changed to one that wasn't so massive.... still capable of punishing the the backside and wrists if you're not paying attention, but not as bad as what it used to be....

Most commuting traffic goes through there on auto-pilot from what I've seen.
Especally where there's a few riders in a loose group - sometimes it's not the first rider that goes down.

I always through the ramps to be a little on the hairy side on morning where fingers & toes don't seem to be your own.

Seems that any coating which will provide added grip in these cold/damp conditons will require constant ( 3-4 times a year) application/maintenace, this will add an extra dimesion/cost to this option.

I don't think more/different signs would help. I've been through there heaps of times but I couldn't tell you what the signs posted along there say.

I'm not a fan of the pontoon resting at an angle on low tide/flow days.

South side of the river doesn't have ramps......

Marx SS said:

Most commuting traffic goes through there on auto-pilot from what I've
seen.
Especally where there's a few riders in a loose group - sometimes it's
not the first rider that goes down.

I know that I tend to back off form a group to take my own line.

I've gone down once on these ramps ~ 2years ago, commuting home,
raining dark, just wanted to be home, next thing I was on my hip and
the bike span straight down the ramp without touching the sides. Mostly
blame myself for that one rather than the surface as I wasn't taking
into account the conditions.

Quoted message said:

I always through the ramps to be a little on the hairy side on morning
where fingers & toes don't seem to be your own.

A friend went down through there last week, just after he had bought a
new bike (which was still at the shop!) Apparently he just missed
hitting the two riders that were standing on the side straightening
themselves up having just done the same thing.

Quoted message said:

Seems that any coating which will provide added grip in these cold/damp
conditons will require constant ( 3-4 times a year)
application/maintenace, this will add an extra dimesion/cost to this
option.

The resurfcaing of the ramps in the last few months seem to have
improved, what they don't do is reduce the chance of iceyness on the
concrete on a cold night/morning. This combined with changes of angle
in two planes (vertically and a corner) lead to a triple combination of
destablising factors.

Quoted message said:

I don't think more/different signs would help. I've been through there
heaps of times but I couldn't tell you what the signs posted along
there say.

Signs just absolve the council of responsibility, would prefer to see
better solutions

Quoted message said:

South side of the river doesn't have ramps......

Just lumps and bumps, a dismount to cross the bridge (you do dismount
don't you...), poor sight lines....

PiledHigher said:

Just lumps and bumps, a dismount to cross the bridge (you do dismount
don't you...), poor sight lines....

Sod this, I think we need a site visit with a working demonstration. I'll bring the vid camera & try to organise a time/date. Any takers?

cfsmtb said:

PiledHigher said:

Just lumps and bumps, a dismount to cross the bridge (you do dismount
don't you...), poor sight lines....

Sod this, I think we need a site visit with a working demonstration.
I'll bring the vid camera & try to organise a time/date. Any takers?

--
cfsmtb

TinC is the resident crash test dummy......

cfsmtb said:

PiledHigher said:

Just lumps and bumps, a dismount to cross the bridge (you do dismount
don't you...), poor sight lines....

Sod this, I think we need a site visit with a working demonstration.
I'll bring the vid camera & try to organise a time/date. Any takers?

If you get TimC. I,ll run the camera. You can run the mikes and we can
edit it at my work. We could also send it to funniest home video. 🙂

But seriously. My last exam is tomorrow. And I have to help move the
remaining Kathy stuff this week. But after tomorrow if you wanted to
set up a cam at a dodgy spot and see what happens in the way of live
demos I would be up for it 🙂

Dave

PiledHigher said:

TinC is the resident crash test dummy......

Good call! 😉

quote='dave'cfsmtb said:

PiledHigher said:

Just lumps and bumps, a dismount to cross the bridge (you do dismount
don't you...), poor sight lines....

Sod this, I think we need a site visit with a working demonstration.
I'll bring the vid camera & try to organise a time/date. Any takers?

If you get TimC. I,ll run the camera. You can run the mikes and we can
edit it at my work. We could also send it to funniest home video. 🙂

But seriously. My last exam is tomorrow. And I have to help move the
remaining Kathy stuff this week. But after tomorrow if you wanted to
set up a cam at a dodgy spot and see what happens in the way of live
demos I would be up for it 🙂

Dave[/QUOTE]

Would there be a way of setting it up so that it only records when there's significant movement? I'm sure there are setups to do that.

Resound said:

dave said:

cfsmtb said:

PiledHigher Wrote:

>Just lumps and bumps, a dismount to cross the bridge (you do

dismount

Quoted message said:

>don't you...), poor sight lines....

Sod this, I think we need a site visit with a working demonstration.
I'll bring the vid camera & try to organise a time/date. Any takers?

If you get TimC. I,ll run the camera. You can run the mikes and we
can
edit it at my work. We could also send it to funniest home video. 🙂

But seriously. My last exam is tomorrow. And I have to help move the
remaining Kathy stuff this week. But after tomorrow if you wanted to
set up a cam at a dodgy spot and see what happens in the way of live
demos I would be up for it 🙂

Dave

Would there be a way of setting it up so that it only records when
there's significant movement? I'm sure there are setups to do that.

yeah , I have surveilence cameras that do that. Actually I have one
that has a webserver built in and does that. The problem is making sure
the camera doesnt go for a walk

Dave

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Quoted message said:

Resound said:

dave Wrote:

yeah , I have surveilence cameras that do that. Actually I have one
that has a webserver built in and does that. The problem is making sure
the camera doesnt go for a walk

Dave

Put it in one of those dog poo bags, tie it in a knot and hang it on a tree
or fence post......I see heaps of these along the Yarra Trail and they don't
seem to get removed too often!!!

Gags

Gags said:

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Quoted message said:

Resound said:

dave Wrote:

yeah , I have surveilence cameras that do that. Actually I have one
that has a webserver built in and does that. The problem is making sure
the camera doesnt go for a walk

Dave

Put it in one of those dog poo bags, tie it in a knot and hang it on a tree
or fence post......I see heaps of these along the Yarra Trail and they don't
seem to get removed too often!!!

Gags

This would be a sore point at the moment. The woman upstairs was
encouraging her dog to [censored] in the front yard today. And we were
wondering why she never helped the rest of the residents clean up the
leaves 🙁

Dave

I ride on the south side and saw at least one person recovering from a
fall on the north side ramp this morning.

My workmate who rides on the north stopped to pick someone up later in
the morning.

It was 3deg or less today so I supect that ice was the problem.

My workmate suggests taking a straigt line through the ramp corner.

Marx SS wrote:
....

Quoted message said:

I always through the ramps to be a little on the hairy side on morning
where fingers & toes don't seem to be your own.

....

Quoted message said:

I'm not a fan of the pontoon resting at an angle on low tide/flow
days.

South side of the river doesn't have ramps......

--
Marx SS

quote='PiledHigher'Marx SS said:

I don't think more/different signs would help. I've been through there
heaps of times but I couldn't tell you what the signs posted along
there say.

Signs just absolve the council of responsibility, would prefer to see
better solutions
...[/QUOTE]

Errrr...nope they don't.
They would like you to believe that though.

Pete

crb said:

I ride on the south side and saw at least one person recovering from a
fall on the north side ramp this morning.

My workmate who rides on the north stopped to pick someone up later in
the morning.

It was 3deg or less today so I supect that ice was the problem.

it wasn't <0, and that's what you need for ice.

The ramps are slippery when wet, in particular the metal plates, and
the drop down from Mary St (try and *walk* that when it's wet!). Not
everyone rides according to the conditions. *shrug*

Quoted message said:

My workmate suggests taking a straigt line through the ramp corner.

Always. Turning on slippery surfaces means crashes.

Poiter said:

Errrr...nope they don't.
They would like you to believe that though.

Signage doesn't absolve anything - people will still sue..
I was only suggesting signage as a possible headsup to path users - ie: slow down and/or monitor. As for doing a site visit it's more about observing the conditions, interplay of factors etc. Like look at the speed of cyclist/angle of ramp entry/problems with ramp surface and other issues that will become apparent when one actually observes the area. So when the problem is observed, we can then start working on a solution, ie: improved surface treatments, angle of ramps or even rubberised grip areas.

cfsmtb said:

Poiter said:

Errrr...nope they don't.
They would like you to believe that though.

Signage doesn't absolve anything - people will still sue..
I was only suggesting signage as a possible headsup to path users - ie:
slow down and/or monitor. As for doing a site visit it's more about
observing the conditions, interplay of factors etc. Like look at the
speed of cyclist/angle of ramp entry/problems with ramp surface and
other issues that will become apparent when one actually observes the
area. So when the problem is observed, we can then start working on a
solution, ie: improved surface treatments, angle of ramps or even
rubberised grip areas.

Noooo!!!!!

No rubber!

Rubber, when wet, does not stick to rubber (tyres!)

Bleve said:

Noooo!!!!!

No rubber!

Rubber, when wet, does not stick to rubber (tyres!)

Know anything about industrial applications? Like rubberised bitumen treatment, the new-ish rubberised buffers on the roads near tram tracks, rubberised grout on road surfaces etc?

Wheelchair Safety at Rail Level Crossings
http://www.doi.vic.gov.au/doi/doielect.nsf/2a6bd98dee287482ca256915001cff0c/43d9bdf138ffe9f9ca256d630011a607/$FILE/SF99190-RE3-03%20International%20Review%20Working%20Paper.pdf

Bleve said:

Quoted message said:

It was 3deg or less today so I supect that ice was the problem.

it wasn't <0, and that's what you need for ice.

There was frost on the grass around Albert park at 730am suggesting
that some surfaces got that cold.

Common, you are aware of the concept of black body radiation and the
poor thermal properties of still air.

PiledHIgher