Medicine as Quackery

Actually, it's been shown that men who give blood regularly have a lower incidence of cardiac
related diseases. Maybe ol' Doc Osler was on to something, eh?

Be well...

Robert

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It is a documented fact that bloodletting was recommended by Sir William Osler in the 1923 edition
his Principles and Practice of Medicine.

Ha, ... Hah, Ha!

That is1923, not 1823!

Ha, ... Hah, Ha!

The reference to bloodletting is on page 530 of the 1892 edition.

Osler W. The Principles and Practice of Medicine: Designed for the Use of Practitioners and
Students of Medicine. New York: D. Appleton;
1892:530.
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John 'the Man said:

It is a documented fact that bloodletting was recommended by Sir William Osler in the 1923 edition
his Principles and Practice of Medicine.

and still is as a remedy against hemochromatosis.

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It is a documented fact that bloodletting was recommended by Sir William Osler in the 1923 edition
his Principles and Practice of Medicine.

Ha, ... Hah, Ha!

That is1923, not 1823!

Step ahead to 2003. Blood letting and leaches are still used (though not nearly as common
as before).

Blood letting is recommend for people with certain diseases resulting in an iron-overload.

And leaches are used to improve blood flow in body parts that were amputated (usually accidentally)
and reattached.

Jeff

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It is a documented fact that bloodletting was recommended by Sir William Osler in the 1923 edition
his Principles and Practice of Medicine.

Ha, ... Hah, Ha!

That is1923, not 1823!

Ha, ... Hah, Ha!

The reference to bloodletting is on page 530 of the 1892 edition.

Osler W. The Principles and Practice of Medicine: Designed for the Use of Practitioners and
Students of Medicine. New York: D. Appleton;
1892:530.

Keep in mind those were the days when transfusions were not yet established so many diseases today
have a exchange therapies. Hyperviscosity syndromes and autoimmune plasma exchange transfusions are
performed where your blood is exchanged eliminating or reducing the toxins contained within. Renal
failure dialysis is actually bleeding the patient and reintroducing the blood. You couldn't do that
back then so the bleeding them was the only thing they could do. Internal bleeding, bleeding into
the body cavities, is removed or bled through chest tubes. These are all concepts derived from those
early days.

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Maybe ol' Doc Osler was on to something, eh?

Could it be the practice of Quackery?

After all, Quackery came from the word quacksalver which was originally an insult used against
heroic physicians like the Swiss alchemist/physician Paracelsus, who was associated with the use of
mercury in Europe as a cure all for all ills.

Medicine is Quackery. 🙂
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John 'the Man said:

It is a documented fact that bloodletting was recommended by Sir William Osler in the 1923 edition
his Principles and Practice of Medicine.

and still is as a remedy against hemochromatosis.

Bloodletting was considered a tried and true remedy for certain conditions. It was recommended for
fevers, inflammations, a variety of disease conditions and, ironically, for hemorrhage. Although it
fell in and out of favor, it persisted into the 20th century and was even recommended by Sir William
Osler in the 1923 edition his Principles and Practice of Medicine.
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Actually, it's been shown that men who give blood regularly have a lower incidence of cardiac
related diseases. Maybe ol' Doc Osler was on to something, eh?

Be well...

No. It could be argued that vaccines are homeopathic and homeopaths were on to something. In both
the case of bloodletting and vaccines, they are just coincidence.

Jeff

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It is a documented fact that bloodletting was recommended by Sir William Osler in the 1923
edition his Principles and Practice of Medicine.

Ha, ... Hah, Ha!

That is1923, not 1823!

Ha, ... Hah, Ha!

The reference to bloodletting is on page 530 of the 1892 edition.

Osler W. The Principles and Practice of Medicine: Designed for the Use of Practitioners and
Students of Medicine. New York: D. Appleton;
1892:530.
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Blood letting is recommend for people with certain diseases resulting in an iron-overload.

And leaches are used to improve blood flow in body parts that were amputated (usually accidentally)
and reattached.

annals.org171 aOpen ↗ William Osler's ... wrote on pneumonia [2]:

"In many cases the question comes up at the onset as to the propriety of venesection. The reproach
of Van Helmont, that 'a bloody Moloch presides in the chairs of medicine,' cannot be brought against
the present generation of physicians. During the first five decades of this century, the profession
bled too much, but during the last decades we have certainly bled too little."

Osler W. The Principles and Practice of Medicine. New York: D. Appleton; 1892:530.

Further ... bmj.bmjjournals.com1488Open ↗ William Osler favoured blood
letting for the treatment of lobar pneumonia.

Is not pneumonia treated with antibiotics which were not discovered until after Osler's death?

Ergo, Osler was recommending a Quack treatment of bloodletting. 🙂

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Keep in mind ...

Keep in mind 1923 was not very long ago. 🙂

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Actually, it's been shown that men who give blood regularly have a lower incidence of cardiac
related diseases. Maybe ol' Doc Osler was on to something, eh?

Men who give blood regularly are likely to be in better overall health than those who do not. NONE
of the "studies" of this kind are statistically sound.

BTW, there are some who need to have blood drawn regularly to keep their iron levels down.
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John 'the Man said:

Bloodletting was considered a tried and true remedy for certain conditions. It was recommended for
fevers, inflammations, a variety of disease conditions and, ironically, for hemorrhage. Although it
fell in and out of favor, it persisted into the 20th century and was even recommended by Sir
William Osler in the 1923 edition his Principles and Practice of Medicine.

and still in use here. Hemochromatosis patients are not allowed to donor blood, so it is almost the
only way to get rid of too much blood. also leech I have been told has been used lately, but
difficult to find today.

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and still in use here. Hemochromatosis patients are not allowed to donor blood, so it is almost the
only way to get rid of too much blood. also leech I have been told has been used lately, but
difficult to find today.

Can I put you down on the record for recommending bloodletting in the year 2003?

Ha, ... Hah, Ha!

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It is a documented fact that bloodletting was recommended by Sir William Osler in the 1923
edition his Principles and Practice of Medicine.

and still is as a remedy against hemochromatosis.

Bloodletting was considered a tried and true remedy for certain conditions. It was recommended for
fevers, inflammations, a variety of disease conditions and, ironically, for hemorrhage. Although
it fell in and out of favor, it persisted into the 20th century and was even recommended by Sir
William Osler in the 1923 edition his Principles and Practice of Medicine.
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And it is a practice you John have used yourself.

To the lurkers, John Gohde admitted to donating blood to the point of anemia.

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And it is a practice you John have used yourself.

To the lurkers, John Gohde admitted to donating blood to the point of anemia.

But who did he donate his *teeth* to...??

M.

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To the lurkers, John Gohde admitted to donating blood to the point of anemia.

Shows you what a swell guy I was in 1969, ... huh?

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But who did he donate his *teeth* to...??

I made a necklace out of them and wear them around my neck. I put the gold inlays in the middle. 🙂

Just thought that you might want to know. 🙂

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Men who give blood regularly are likely to be in better overall health than those who do not. NONE
of the "studies" of this kind are statistically sound.

Ah! The Academic mind at work. 🙁)

Yes, only a science geek would equate donating blood to bloodletting. 🙁

Gee, I thought that bloodletters took at least 3 quarts at a time? Then they gave you a nice dose of
mercury chloride to boost your energy levels.

Just thought that you might want to know. 🙂

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And it is a practice you John have used yourself.

Kicking the stuffing out of you science geeks is easy. 🙂

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The funny thing is that I don't even have to lie about it. 🙂

Medicine has been Quackery throughout its entire history. Modern medicine has only remotely been
based on science for 30 years.

Ha, ... Hah, Ha! That is historical fact. Ha, ... Hah, Ha!

Even now, medicine is mostly based on the simplistic biomedical model rather the biopsychosocial
model which takes a complex systems theory approach to health.

You guys need to get into the new millennium, like everybody else
is. 🙂

"... you have my sympathies" Science Officer Ash to Ripley, in the movie ALIEN.
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Once upon a time, our fellow William A. Noyes rambled on about "Re: Medicine as Quackery." Our
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John Gohde, Achieving good Nutrition is an Art, NOT a Science!

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And it is a practice you John have used yourself.

Kicking the stuffing out of you science geeks is easy. 🙂

See: ~ A History of Western Natural Healing Practices ~ The 20th Century New World History
tutorials.naturalhealthperspective.comhistory.htmlOpen ↗

The funny thing is that I don't even have to lie about it. 🙂

Medicine has been Quackery throughout its entire history. Modern medicine has only remotely been
based on science for 30 years.

Ha, ... Hah, Ha! That is historical fact. Ha, ... Hah, Ha!

Even now, medicine is mostly based on the simplistic biomedical model rather the biopsychosocial
model which takes a complex systems theory approach to health.

You guys need to get into the new millennium, like everybody else
is. 🙂

"... you have my sympathies" Science Officer Ash to Ripley, in the movie ALIEN.

All you are saying is that YOUR quackery is better than THEIR quackery.