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    Don said:

    Ha, seems no one wants to discuss prices. I just go to
    the doctor and find out what the charge is "later". I
    would feel like a fool asking how much they charge ahead
    of time. Are we supposed to?

    We certainly do in the UK. In 2000 an angiogram was £1200
    and heart surgery £15 -£20,000. I paid for the angiogram
    but would not have thought of doing that without knowing
    the price first. Diana

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    I'm curious as to how that would work. Are those the costs
    if you go outside "the system" or does pretty much everyone
    pay around that? In the US I think the typical full cost of
    an angiogram would probably be more, but the amount the
    patient pays after typical employer provided insurance
    would probably be less.

    Thanks.

    Bill


    Yes Bill. When I started asking questions about surgery
    after the cardiologist had said "you can go home, its not
    desperate" he told me the waiting time on the NHS for an
    angiogram (the first step in the process) would be about
    nine months and surgery, if required, maybe twelve months
    after that. I decided to start paying but after the
    angiogram I realised he was just fitting me in between NHS
    work. He actually wanted me to turn up at a private hospital
    at 5pm on a Friday which meant I would need to stay
    overnight adding another £300 to the cost. When I complained
    it was re-arranged for 8 a.m. in the morning. So I cancelled
    my idea of paying for surgery; just to step back and
    consider the options as I was being treated badly. Nothing
    was being explained. His fee was £600 and the rest was for
    the cath lab and staff. The £15,000 for MV surgery was
    explained to me as a 'package' covering surgeons fee and ten
    days stay in private hospital. In the event my stay in the
    NHS hospital was two weeks. Diana

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    On Thu, 20 May 2004 22:27:39 -0400, "Don"
    <[email hidden]> wrote:

    >Ha, seems no one wants to discuss prices. I just go to
    >the doctor and find out what the charge is "later". I
    >would feel like a fool asking how much they charge
    >ahead of time. Are we supposed to?

    We certainly do in the UK. In 2000 an angiogram was
    £1200 and heart surgery £15 -£20,000. I paid for the
    angiogram but would not have thought of doing that
    without knowing the price first. Diana
    >
    >
    >

    I'm curious as to how that would work. Are those the
    costs if you go outside "the system" or does pretty much
    everyone pay around that? In the US I think the typical
    full cost of an angiogram would probably be more, but the
    amount the patient pays after typical employer provided
    insurance would probably be less.

    Thanks.

    Bill


    Yes Bill. When I started asking questions about surgery
    after the cardiologist had said "you can go home, its not
    desperate" he told me the waiting time on the NHS for an
    angiogram (the first step in the process) would be about
    nine months and surgery, if required, maybe twelve months
    after that. I decided to start paying but after the
    angiogram I realised he was just fitting me in between NHS
    work. He actually wanted me to turn up at a private
    hospital at 5pm on a Friday which meant I would need to
    stay overnight adding another £300 to the cost. When I
    complained it was re-arranged for 8 a.m. in the morning.
    So I cancelled my idea of paying for surgery; just to step
    back and consider the options as I was being treated
    badly. Nothing was being explained. His fee was £600 and
    the rest was for the cath lab and staff. The £15,000 for
    MV surgery was explained to me as a 'package' covering
    surgeons fee and ten days stay in private hospital. In the
    event my stay in the NHS hospital was two weeks. Diana

    Sorry that you have seen the uglier side of socialized
    medicine.

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    Quoted message said:


    <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    On Thu, 20 May 2004 22:27:39 -0400, "Don"
    <[email hidden]> wrote:

    >Ha, seems no one wants to discuss prices. I just go to
    >the doctor and


    find

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    Quoted message said:

    >out what the charge is "later". I would feel like a
    >fool asking how


    much

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    >they charge ahead of time. Are we supposed to?

    We certainly do in the UK. In 2000 an angiogram was
    £1200 and heart surgery £15 -£20,000. I paid for the
    angiogram but would not have thought of doing that
    without knowing the price first. Diana
    >
    >
    >

    I'm curious as to how that would work. Are those the
    costs if you go


    outside

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    "the system" or does pretty much everyone pay around
    that? In the US I


    think

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    the typical full cost of an angiogram would probably be
    more, but the


    amount

    Quoted message said:
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    the patient pays after typical employer provided
    insurance would probably


    be

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    less.

    Thanks.

    Bill


    Yes Bill. When I started asking questions about surgery
    after the cardiologist had said "you can go home, its not
    desperate" he told me the waiting time on the NHS for an
    angiogram (the first step in the process) would be about
    nine months and surgery, if required, maybe twelve months
    after that. I decided to start paying but after the
    angiogram I realised he was just fitting me in between NHS
    work. He actually wanted me to turn up at a private
    hospital at 5pm on a Friday which meant I would need to
    stay overnight adding another £300 to the cost. When I
    complained it was re-arranged for 8 a.m. in the morning.
    So I cancelled my idea of paying for surgery; just to step
    back and consider the options as I was being treated
    badly. Nothing was being explained. His fee was £600 and
    the rest was for the cath lab and staff. The £15,000 for
    MV surgery was explained to me as a 'package' covering
    surgeons fee and ten days stay in private hospital. In the
    event my stay in the NHS hospital was two weeks. Diana

    Thanks Diana. I assume if you waited the 9 months the costs
    would be zero or close?

    I have to admit the whole thing seems strange to me. Either
    the angiogram makes some sense - i.e. it could help prevent
    a heart problem - in which case you should not wait 9 months
    or it does not, in which case you should not have it at all.
    Same with the surgery. I could develop problems just
    worrying while waiting. 🙂

    Good luck.

    Bill

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