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  1. TODAYS NEWS

    Dems want inquiry into reports of Medicare bribe Fri Dec 5, 6:35 AM ET Add Top Stories -
    USATODAY.com to My Yahoo!

    By William M. Welch and Andrea Stone, USA TODAY

    Democrats and a legal watchdog group have asked Attorney General John Ashcroft (news - web sites) to
    investigate allegations that Republicans offered a House member $100,000 in contributions for his
    son's election campaign if he would vote for a Medicare prescription drug benefit passed by Congress
    last month.

    Such an offer could be interpreted as a bribe that violates federal law, Democrats and outside legal
    experts said. Ashcroft spokesman Mark Corallo said Thursday that the attorney general's office will
    review a letter requesting an investigation from Democratic National Committee (news - web sites)
    Chairman Terry McAuliffe.

    Melanie Sloan, executive director of Citizens for Responsibility and Ethics in Washington, a non-
    partisan legal watchdog group, also wrote Ashcroft demanding an investigation. "The attempted
    bribery and extortion of a member of Congress on the House floor destroys the heart of our
    democracy," she wrote.

    Though lobbying for support is common during close votes, the Republicans' successful effort in the
    wee hours of Nov. 22 stands out for several reasons. GOP leaders held the vote open for nearly
    three hours. House Speaker Dennis Hastert, who customarily leaves partisan arm-twisting to others,
    was actively involved. So was Tommy Thompson, President Bush (news - web sites)'s secretary of
    Health and Human Services (news - web sites), even though Cabinet members seldom enter the House or
    Senate chambers.

    Media reports have alleged that an undisclosed Republican told Rep. Nick Smith (news, bio, voting
    record), R-Mich., that if he voted for the bill, business interests would contribute $100,000 to
    help his son, Brad, succeed him. Smith is not seeking re-election in 2004. His son is one of several
    Republican candidates running for the seat.

    "Not only was this bribe offered to a member of Congress, it was offered on the floor of the House
    of Representatives by another member of Congress," McAuliffe wrote Ashcroft.

    The allegation was first reported Nov. 27 by syndicated columnist Robert Novak. Kurt Schmautz, head
    of Smith's congressional staff, said Smith confirmed Novak's account as "basically accurate." He
    said Smith had no further comment.

    Brad Smith said he did not believe a dollar amount was mentioned. He said his father was told
    "there's an opportunity for substantial support for your son" if he voted for the bill. He refused
    to say who made the offer but said his father didn't regard it as a bribe.

    The younger Smith said the incident has "backfired" in his district. "A lot of primary voters are
    disgusted with the hardball politics in Washington," he said.

    Smith did not support the bill. It passed, 220-215, after GOP leaders spent almost three hours
    rounding up votes. Smith was among a group of conservatives who opposed the 10-year, $400 billion
    bill because they feared it would cost even more in the future. The bill was a priority of the Bush
    administration and Republican leaders. The Senate approved it, 54-44, Nov. 25. Bush plans to sign it
    into law Monday.

    Since the House vote, others have urged Smith to say who offered the $100,000 in campaign
    contributions. In an online column on Slate.com, Timothy Noah wrote, "Stop protecting him,
    congressman!"

    Smith told Gannett News Service on Nov. 24 that he had been lobbied heavily to support the bill. He
    said he had received promises that business interests and GOP leaders would help his son's campaign
    in exchange. He said he also was told those same groups would work to defeat his son if Smith voted
    against the bill.

    Hardball tactics are customary in the House when votes are needed to pass legislation. But they more
    often involve promises of plum committee assignments, visits to districts for campaign help or
    specific additions to legislation.

    Charles Lewis, executive director of the Center for Public Integrity, a public-interest research
    group, said such an episode would be "a revealing vignette."

    "It's a window into how politics works, and how closely tethered contributors are to their
    respective parties, and how they work hand in hand in getting their way legislatively," Lewis said.

    Lewis said there was little chance the Justice Department (news - web sites) or the House ethics
    committee would investigate. In the House, Democrats and Republicans have an unspoken agreement not
    to initiate ethics inquiries, and only a member's request can trigger a committee investigation.
    House Democratic leaders avoided comment on Smith's allegations Thursday.

    American Enterprise (news - web sites) Institute political analyst Norman Ornstein said that if the
    reports are true, the incident "cuts across a whole series of lines." He said Thompson's presence
    and Hastert's lobbying were highly unusual. "I've never heard of anything like this on the floor,"
    Ornstein said. "It just stains the speakership."

    Ornstein said an inducement of campaign money "is by every standard a violation of the law." But he
    added, "Will anything be done about it? I'm very skeptical."

  2. Peanutjake said:

    TODAYS NEWS

    Dems want inquiry into reports of Medicare bribe Fri Dec 5, 6:35 AM ET Add Top Stories -
    USATODAY.com to My Yahoo!

    I understand the offer was made by a lobbyist interested in seeing the bill passed.

  3. "Ashcroft spokesman Mark Corallo said Thursday that the attorney general's office will review a
    letter requesting an investigation from Democratic National Committee (news - web sites) Chairman
    Terry McAuliffe."

    Please note: Ashcroft's office is only promising to review the letter requesting an investigation.
    No mention is made about reviewing the *reasons* why such a letter was written in the first place,
    nor about the investigation itself.

    Typical.
    --
    Gregory Gadow
    [email hidden]
    serv.net~techbear

    "If you make yourself a sheep, the wolves will eat you."
    -- Benjamin Franklin

  4. and you think politics get done what other way? blackmail, bribery. common.

    "Peanutjake" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<[email hidden]-
    berlin.de>...

    Quoted message said:

    TODAYS NEWS

    Dems want inquiry into reports of Medicare bribe Fri Dec 5, 6:35 AM ET Add Top Stories -
    USATODAY.com to My Yahoo!

    By William M. Welch and Andrea Stone, USA TODAY

    Democrats and a legal watchdog group have asked Attorney General John Ashcroft (news - web sites)
    to investigate allegations that Republicans offered a House member $100,000 in contributions for
    his son's election campaign if he would vote for a Medicare prescription drug benefit passed by
    Congress last month.

    Such an offer could be interpreted as a bribe that violates federal law, Democrats and outside
    legal experts said. Ashcroft spokesman Mark Corallo said Thursday that the attorney general's
    office will review a letter requesting an investigation from Democratic National Committee (news -
    web sites) Chairman Terry McAuliffe.

    Melanie Sloan, executive director of Citizens for Responsibility and Ethics in Washington, a non-
    partisan legal watchdog group, also wrote Ashcroft demanding an investigation. "The attempted
    bribery and extortion of a member of Congress on the House floor destroys the heart of our
    democracy," she wrote.

    Though lobbying for support is common during close votes, the Republicans' successful effort in
    the wee hours of Nov. 22 stands out for several reasons. GOP leaders held the vote open for nearly
    three hours. House Speaker Dennis Hastert, who customarily leaves partisan arm-twisting to others,
    was actively involved. So was Tommy Thompson, President Bush (news - web sites)'s secretary of
    Health and Human Services (news - web sites), even though Cabinet members seldom enter the House
    or Senate chambers.

    Media reports have alleged that an undisclosed Republican told Rep. Nick Smith (news, bio, voting
    record), R-Mich., that if he voted for the bill, business interests would contribute $100,000 to
    help his son, Brad, succeed him. Smith is not seeking re-election in 2004. His son is one of
    several Republican candidates running for the seat.

    "Not only was this bribe offered to a member of Congress, it was offered on the floor of the House
    of Representatives by another member of Congress," McAuliffe wrote Ashcroft.

    The allegation was first reported Nov. 27 by syndicated columnist Robert Novak. Kurt Schmautz,
    head of Smith's congressional staff, said Smith confirmed Novak's account as "basically accurate."
    He said Smith had no further comment.

    Brad Smith said he did not believe a dollar amount was mentioned. He said his father was told
    "there's an opportunity for substantial support for your son" if he voted for the bill. He refused
    to say who made the offer but said his father didn't regard it as a bribe.

    The younger Smith said the incident has "backfired" in his district. "A lot of primary voters are
    disgusted with the hardball politics in Washington," he said.

    Smith did not support the bill. It passed, 220-215, after GOP leaders spent almost three hours
    rounding up votes. Smith was among a group of conservatives who opposed the 10-year, $400 billion
    bill because they feared it would cost even more in the future. The bill was a priority of the
    Bush administration and Republican leaders. The Senate approved it, 54-44, Nov. 25. Bush plans to
    sign it into law Monday.

    Since the House vote, others have urged Smith to say who offered the $100,000 in campaign
    contributions. In an online column on Slate.com, Timothy Noah wrote, "Stop protecting him,
    congressman!"

    Smith told Gannett News Service on Nov. 24 that he had been lobbied heavily to support the bill.
    He said he had received promises that business interests and GOP leaders would help his son's
    campaign in exchange. He said he also was told those same groups would work to defeat his son if
    Smith voted against the bill.

    Hardball tactics are customary in the House when votes are needed to pass legislation. But they
    more often involve promises of plum committee assignments, visits to districts for campaign help
    or specific additions to legislation.

    Charles Lewis, executive director of the Center for Public Integrity, a public-interest research
    group, said such an episode would be "a revealing vignette."

    "It's a window into how politics works, and how closely tethered contributors are to their
    respective parties, and how they work hand in hand in getting their way legislatively,"
    Lewis said.

    Lewis said there was little chance the Justice Department (news - web sites) or the House ethics
    committee would investigate. In the House, Democrats and Republicans have an unspoken agreement
    not to initiate ethics inquiries, and only a member's request can trigger a committee
    investigation. House Democratic leaders avoided comment on Smith's allegations Thursday.

    American Enterprise (news - web sites) Institute political analyst Norman Ornstein said that if
    the reports are true, the incident "cuts across a whole series of lines." He said Thompson's
    presence and Hastert's lobbying were highly unusual. "I've never heard of anything like this on
    the floor," Ornstein said. "It just stains the speakership."

    Ornstein said an inducement of campaign money "is by every standard a violation of the law." But
    he added, "Will anything be done about it? I'm very skeptical."

  5. [email hidden] (AllEmailDeletedImmediately) wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

    Quoted message said:

    and you think politics get done what other way? blackmail, bribery. common.

    "Peanutjake" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<[email hidden]-
    berlin.de>...

    Quoted message said:

    TODAYS NEWS

    Dems want inquiry into reports of Medicare bribe Fri Dec 5, 6:35 AM ET Add Top Stories -
    USATODAY.com to My Yahoo!

    By William M. Welch and Andrea Stone, USA TODAY

    Democrats and a legal watchdog group have asked Attorney General John Ashcroft (news - web
    sites) to investigate allegations that Republicans offered a House member $100,000 in
    contributions for his son's election campaign if he would vote for a Medicare prescription drug
    benefit passed by Congress last month.

    Such an offer could be interpreted as a bribe that violates federal law, Democrats and outside
    legal experts said.

    Sounds like we need an Independent Counsel here:

    geocities.comframe.htm

    20 of Ashcrofts agents raided Neverland.

  6. here we go again, the Demecrats throwing a brick of firecrackers in the crowd.

    FIRE IN THE THEATER.

    case

    the case, minus a few cans!

  7. "IF YOU CAN'T SWIM DON'T JUMP IN" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    here we go again, the Demecrats throwing a brick of firecrackers in the crowd.

    FIRE IN THE THEATER.

    case

    Are you in favor of vote bribes just because the democrats are against it or do you have another
    reason? PJ

  8. On Sat, 6 Dec 2003 15:06:24 -0500, "Peanutjake" <[email hidden]>

    Quoted message said:


    "IF YOU CAN'T SWIM DON'T JUMP IN" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:1899-3FD15B84-154@storefull-
    3112.bay.webtv.net...

    Quoted message said:

    here we go again, the Demecrats throwing a brick of firecrackers in the crowd.

    FIRE IN THE THEATER.

    case

    Are you in favor of vote bribes just because the democrats are against it or do you have another
    reason? PJ


    What I call bribes is practiced in both parties and a few other splinter groups. Public ally all
    express outrage about this practice. A normal mode of our system. I do not have strong feeling
    about any party but select each issue or person on my perceived merits. Great leaders have sent
    hundred of millions to their death when they can get irrational loyalty. Only about 50 years
    ago. remember.

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