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  1. What is the medical code for ordering a copper test, bloodwork?

    Where can I find a list of these codes?

    Thanks.

    Susan, Su_Texas my opinions

    PS The reason I'm interested, is that high copper levels have been associated with mets, with
    cancer spread. And molybdenum can bring down the copper.

    Also, is there another bloodwork test (cheaper in $$$), which can detect the copper levels?

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    I figure, that I can submit the code to my insurance company, get paperwork saying the test is pre-
    approved, then shop this around to doctors, asking for the test. ???

    So far, my insurance company won't give me the codes (so I can't get pre-approval), & the doctors
    won't give me the codes or order the test.

  2. Quoted message said:

    Subject: Medical Codes: Bloodwork, Copper?
    From: [email hidden]
    Date: 12/25/2003 11:57 AM Pacific Standard Time
    Message-id: <[email hidden]>

    Quoted message said:

    I figure, that I can submit the code to my insurance company, get paperwork saying the test is pre-
    approved, then shop this around to doctors, asking for the test. ???

    you can't submit the code....

    you must involve a health care provider...perhaps why your insurance company won't give them to you

    if patients were able to simply decide what tests THEY wanted..or think they needed..our health care
    system would be in worse shape than it is...

    tests are ordered for specific reasons....not saying that maybe copper levels might be useful...but
    unless you get yourself a license,,your insurance company will not be liable for the cost

    hawki

  3. US Govt's Blocking Medical Care?

    The nurse practitioner said that she might order the copper test, but that she doesn't know the
    code, & doesn't know anyone to ask.

    She said that the govt is getting very strict, & is not allowing them to order bloodwork,
    even the CBC.

    I'm getting the CBC (which isn't much) at the cancer center, but only because I have third-
    stage cancer.

    So far, I can't get a doctor to order any other bloodwork. I'm working very hard, still trying to
    find a way to do so, going on over two years now. I don't give up. However, I'm very sick & tired at
    this point, & would appreciate some help. [Suffering to death, due to a failed medical system & won't-
    work doctors, ain't no fun.]

    The govt (& global corporations, insurance companies) seem to be completely shutting down the
    medical system, ... under a ton of hassles, rules & regulations, fees/premiums, propaganda/lies, &
    penalties.

    The govt seems to want the medical system to function, like other govt agencies, which means not at
    all (aka "dead in the water"😉.

    However, with medical care, this does leave people literally dead (murdered).

    Susan, Su_Texas my opinions

  4. Quoted message said:

    Subject: Re: Medical Codes: Bloodwork, Copper?
    From: [email hidden]
    Date: 12/25/2003 1:37 PM Pacific Standard Time
    Message-id: <[email hidden]>

    Quoted message said:

    US Govt's Blocking Medical Care?

    what??? since when

    just because perhaps your provider sees no reason to do a copper test...

    Quoted message said:

    She said that the govt is getting very strict, & is not allowing them to order bloodwork,
    even the CBC.

    total bs

    Quoted message said:

    So far, I can't get a doctor to order any other bloodwork. I'm working

    you have insurance or state/federal aid??

    two years trying to find a doc to order the bloodwork YOU want?? perhaps it isn't indicated for your
    condition..

    if the cancer center is doing the CBC,,,they must feel that copper level is not useful...

    the rest of the tests you call "good bloodwork" seemed mostly bogus tests to me

    you cannot have it both ways....asking your insurance company to pay...then wanting "good
    bloodwork"...then blaming the government??

    makes no sense

    funny that the rest of us are not having this array of problems with our health care ...

    hawki

  5. Quoted message said:

    What is the medical code for ordering a copper test, bloodwork?

    All it takes are the words "Serum Copper" written on a lab request slip from a licensed physician,
    or that request phoned into a lab BY a licensed physician (the results will be called/faxed/mailed
    back to his office).

    Quoted message said:

    Where can I find a list of these codes?

    Knowing the code will not help you get tested. You need to have a physician order the test.

    Quoted message said:

    Also, is there another bloodwork test (cheaper in $$$), which can detect the copper levels?

    No. Copper is copper, and testing for anything else would be useless. There are no cheap ways
    to do this.

    Quoted message said:

    I figure, that I can submit the code to my insurance company, get paperwork saying the test is pre-
    approved, then shop this around to doctors, asking for the test. ???

    Insurance companies would only pre-approve something a DOCTOR asked them to approve.

    Quoted message said:

    So far, my insurance company won't give me the codes (so I can't get pre-approval), & the doctors
    won't give me the codes or order the test.

    You don't order, they do. If you can CONVINCE them that the test would be beneficial in treating
    you, they will order almost anything.

    Tsu Dho Nimh

    --
    When businesses invoke the "protection of consumers," it's a lot like politicians invoking morality
    and children - grab your wallet and/or your kid and run for your life.

  6. Quoted message said:

    The nurse practitioner said that she might order the copper test, but that she doesn't know the
    code, & doesn't know anyone to ask.

    Utter [censored] ... she's perfectably capable of writing the words "serum copper" on
    a"miscellaneous" lab request slip, and getting it countersigned, if it were clinically called for.
    The labs figure out these "codes" and bill accordingly.

    Quoted message said:

    She said that the govt is getting very strict, & is not allowing them to order bloodwork,
    even the CBC.

    She's trying to politely evade having to say "no, you don't get one because it will help treat you
    or diagnose you".

    Quoted message said:

    I'm getting the CBC (which isn't much) at the cancer center, but only because I have third-
    stage cancer.

    Quoted message said:

    So far, I can't get a doctor to order any other bloodwork.

    Why? What will it tell them that they don't already know? How will it make your treatment change?
    Satisfying the curiosity of the patient, or enabling the patient to self-treat based on some wild-
    assed theory she read on the internet is not a reason to order anything.

    Quoted message said:

    The govt (& global corporations, insurance companies) seem to be completely shutting down the
    medical system, ... under a ton of hassles, rules & regulations, fees/premiums, propaganda/lies, &
    penalties.

    You seem to be unable to accept that for some things, such as cancer, there ARE NO SOLUTIONS.

    Tsu Dho Nimh

    --
    When businesses invoke the "protection of consumers," it's a lot like politicians invoking morality
    and children - grab your wallet and/or your kid and run for your life.

  7. Susan said:

    US Govt's Blocking Medical Care?

    The nurse practitioner said that she might order the copper test, but that she doesn't know the
    code, & doesn't know anyone to ask.

    She may not know the code, but I'm sure the biller in the office does, or at least is intelligent
    enough to grab the office copy of the latest CPT code book (and HCPCS codes for Medicare) and
    look it up.

    Quoted message said:

    She said that the govt is getting very strict, & is not allowing them


    to

    Quoted message said:

    order bloodwork, even the CBC.

    I'm getting the CBC (which isn't much) at the cancer center, but only because I have third-
    stage cancer.

    So far, I can't get a doctor to order any other bloodwork. I'm


    working

    Quoted message said:

    very hard, still trying to find a way to do so, going on over two


    years

    Quoted message said:

    now. I don't give up. However, I'm very sick & tired at this point,


    &

    Quoted message said:

    would appreciate some help. [Suffering to death, due to a failed medical system & won't-work
    doctors, ain't no fun.]

    I think you need to have a long talk with your doctors about your condition. Make sure you know
    exactly what you're up against and if there's any realistic expectation for a remission/cure. Then
    ask about the extra blood work.

    Quoted message said:

    The govt (& global corporations, insurance companies) seem to be completely shutting down the
    medical system, ... under a ton of


    hassles,

    Quoted message said:

    rules & regulations, fees/premiums, propaganda/lies, & penalties.

    As someone who had to deliver the bad news to the docs she worked for when Medicare first capped
    their "allowed" amounts back in 1992, I know all about this. It's amazing how little insurance
    companies were willing to pay for some incredibly intricate procedures that took several hours; for
    some reason they thought the docs would accept $112 for a procedure that the average office billed
    at $2400. I then learned that the insurance companies were using allowed values that were 20+ years
    old. The doctor I worked for previously retired when Medicare slashed the amounts they allowed for
    lab tests and changed the laws to require providers to accept those amounts as payment in full.

    The insurance companies don't like to part with money. It's amazing some of the hoops I had to jump
    through just to get some regular fees allowed. They find every excuse to raise premiums and deny
    coverage. Did you know that if you were ever prescribed an antidepressant, and it doesn't matter
    how long ago it was, you can't buy private insurance coverage, or it's damn near impossible to find
    a company who will cover you without having you pay your entire income in premiums? Medical
    malpractice insurance premiums are another joke. Why should a GP who has never had a complaint
    against them have his malpractice premium go up 300% in a year just because one doc - who may not
    even be covered by the same company - got nailed with a 7-digit settlement? Doesn't make sense to
    me at all.

    Quoted message said:

    The govt seems to want the medical system to function, like other govt agencies, which means not
    at all (aka "dead in the water"😉.

    However, with medical care, this does leave people literally dead (murdered).

    You know, the government has little control over what private insurers and doctors do. I recall that
    you mentioned in another thread that you have Medicare and GEHA, and with both of these you're
    dealing with government entities. Medicare doesn't cover everything and only pays 80% of the allowed
    amount. I think GEHA only pays that 20% between the Medicare payment and the allowed amount, which,
    if you were seeing doctors who aren't Medicare participants, means you get stuck paying the
    difference.

    I think that the way to solve the health care crisis in this country is to make Congress, Senate,
    etc., go through the same hassles as the average person who has insurance. Only then would we see
    real change.

    Kimmer kimagreenfieldatyahoodotcom

  8. "Kimmer" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Medical

    Quoted message said:

    malpractice insurance premiums are another joke. Why should a GP who has never had a complaint
    against them have his malpractice premium go up 300% in a year just because one doc - who may not
    even be covered by the same company - got nailed with a 7-digit settlement? Doesn't make sense to
    me at all.

    You do not understand the fundamental concept of insurance.

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