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  1. What is the medical code for ordering a copper test, bloodwork?

    Where can I find a list of these codes?

    Thanks.

    Susan, Su_Texas my opinions

    PS The reason I'm interested, is that high copper levels have been
    associated with mets, with cancer spread. And molybdenum can bring down
    the copper.

    Also, is there another bloodwork test (cheaper in $$$), which can detect
    the copper levels?

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    I figure, that I can submit the code to my insurance company, get
    paperwork saying the test is pre-approved, then shop this around to
    doctors, asking for the test. ???

    So far, my insurance company won't give me the codes (so I can't get
    pre-approval), & the doctors won't give me the codes or order the test.

  2. Quoted message said:

    Subject: Medical Codes: Bloodwork, Copper?
    From: [email hidden]
    Date: 12/25/2003 11:57 AM Pacific Standard Time
    Message-id: <[email hidden]>

    Quoted message said:

    I figure, that I can submit the code to my insurance company, get
    paperwork saying the test is pre-approved, then shop this around to
    doctors, asking for the test. ???

    you can't submit the code....

    you must involve a health care provider...perhaps why your insurance company
    won't give them to you

    if patients were able to simply decide what tests THEY wanted..or think they
    needed..our health care system would be in worse shape than it is...

    tests are ordered for specific reasons....not saying that maybe copper levels
    might be useful...but unless you get yourself a license,,your insurance company
    will not be liable for the cost

    hawki

  3. US Govt's Blocking Medical Care?

    The nurse practitioner said that she might order the copper test, but
    that she doesn't know the code, & doesn't know anyone to ask.

    She said that the govt is getting very strict, & is not allowing them to
    order bloodwork, even the CBC.

    I'm getting the CBC (which isn't much) at the cancer center, but only
    because I have third-stage cancer.

    So far, I can't get a doctor to order any other bloodwork. I'm working
    very hard, still trying to find a way to do so, going on over two years
    now. I don't give up. However, I'm very sick & tired at this point, &
    would appreciate some help. [Suffering to death, due to a failed
    medical system & won't-work doctors, ain't no fun.]

    The govt (& global corporations, insurance companies) seem to be
    completely shutting down the medical system, ... under a ton of hassles,
    rules & regulations, fees/premiums, propaganda/lies, & penalties.

    The govt seems to want the medical system to function, like other govt
    agencies, which means not at all (aka "dead in the water"😉.

    However, with medical care, this does leave people literally dead
    (murdered).

    Susan, Su_Texas my opinions

  4. Quoted message said:

    Subject: Re: Medical Codes: Bloodwork, Copper?
    From: [email hidden]
    Date: 12/25/2003 1:37 PM Pacific Standard Time
    Message-id: <[email hidden]>

    Quoted message said:

    US Govt's Blocking Medical Care?

    what??? since when

    just because perhaps your provider sees no reason to do a copper test...

    Quoted message said:

    She said that the govt is getting very strict, & is not allowing them to
    order bloodwork, even the CBC.

    total bs

    Quoted message said:

    So far, I can't get a doctor to order any other bloodwork. I'm working

    you have insurance or state/federal aid??

    two years trying to find a doc to order the bloodwork YOU want?? perhaps it
    isn't indicated for your condition..

    if the cancer center is doing the CBC,,,they must feel that copper level is not
    useful...

    the rest of the tests you call "good bloodwork" seemed mostly bogus tests to me

    you cannot have it both ways....asking your insurance company to pay...then
    wanting "good bloodwork"...then blaming the government??

    makes no sense

    funny that the rest of us are not having this array of problems with our health
    care ...

    hawki

  5. Quoted message said:

    What is the medical code for ordering a copper test, bloodwork?

    All it takes are the words "Serum Copper" written on a lab
    request slip from a licensed physician, or that request phoned
    into a lab BY a licensed physician (the results will be
    called/faxed/mailed back to his office).

    Quoted message said:

    Where can I find a list of these codes?

    Knowing the code will not help you get tested. You need to have
    a physician order the test.

    Quoted message said:

    Also, is there another bloodwork test (cheaper in $$$), which can detect
    the copper levels?

    No. Copper is copper, and testing for anything else would be
    useless. There are no cheap ways to do this.

    Quoted message said:

    I figure, that I can submit the code to my insurance company, get
    paperwork saying the test is pre-approved, then shop this around to
    doctors, asking for the test. ???

    Insurance companies would only pre-approve something a DOCTOR
    asked them to approve.

    Quoted message said:

    So far, my insurance company won't give me the codes (so I can't get
    pre-approval), & the doctors won't give me the codes or order the test.

    You don't order, they do. If you can CONVINCE them that the test
    would be beneficial in treating you, they will order almost
    anything.

    Tsu Dho Nimh

    --
    When businesses invoke the "protection of consumers," it's a lot like
    politicians invoking morality and children - grab your wallet and/or
    your kid and run for your life.

  6. Quoted message said:

    The nurse practitioner said that she might order the copper test, but
    that she doesn't know the code, & doesn't know anyone to ask.

    Utter [censored] ... she's perfectably capable of writing the
    words "serum copper" on a"miscellaneous" lab request slip, and
    getting it countersigned, if it were clinically called for. The
    labs figure out these "codes" and bill accordingly.

    Quoted message said:

    She said that the govt is getting very strict, & is not allowing them to
    order bloodwork, even the CBC.

    She's trying to politely evade having to say "no, you don't get
    one because it will help treat you or diagnose you".

    Quoted message said:

    I'm getting the CBC (which isn't much) at the cancer center, but only
    because I have third-stage cancer.

    Quoted message said:

    So far, I can't get a doctor to order any other bloodwork.

    Why? What will it tell them that they don't already know? How
    will it make your treatment change? Satisfying the curiosity of
    the patient, or enabling the patient to self-treat based on some
    wild-assed theory she read on the internet is not a reason to
    order anything.

    Quoted message said:

    The govt (& global corporations, insurance companies) seem to be
    completely shutting down the medical system, ... under a ton of hassles,
    rules & regulations, fees/premiums, propaganda/lies, & penalties.

    You seem to be unable to accept that for some things, such as
    cancer, there ARE NO SOLUTIONS.

    Tsu Dho Nimh

    --
    When businesses invoke the "protection of consumers," it's a lot like
    politicians invoking morality and children - grab your wallet and/or
    your kid and run for your life.

  7. Susan said:

    US Govt's Blocking Medical Care?

    The nurse practitioner said that she might order the copper test, but
    that she doesn't know the code, & doesn't know anyone to ask.

    She may not know the code, but I'm sure the biller in the office does,
    or at least is intelligent enough to grab the office copy of the latest
    CPT code book (and HCPCS codes for Medicare) and look it up.

    Quoted message said:

    She said that the govt is getting very strict, & is not allowing them


    to

    Quoted message said:

    order bloodwork, even the CBC.

    I'm getting the CBC (which isn't much) at the cancer center, but only
    because I have third-stage cancer.

    So far, I can't get a doctor to order any other bloodwork. I'm


    working

    Quoted message said:

    very hard, still trying to find a way to do so, going on over two


    years

    Quoted message said:

    now. I don't give up. However, I'm very sick & tired at this point,


    &

    Quoted message said:

    would appreciate some help. [Suffering to death, due to a failed
    medical system & won't-work doctors, ain't no fun.]

    I think you need to have a long talk with your doctors about your
    condition. Make sure you know exactly what you're up against and if
    there's any realistic expectation for a remission/cure. Then ask about
    the extra blood work.

    Quoted message said:

    The govt (& global corporations, insurance companies) seem to be
    completely shutting down the medical system, ... under a ton of


    hassles,

    Quoted message said:

    rules & regulations, fees/premiums, propaganda/lies, & penalties.

    As someone who had to deliver the bad news to the docs she worked for
    when Medicare first capped their "allowed" amounts back in 1992, I know
    all about this. It's amazing how little insurance companies were
    willing to pay for some incredibly intricate procedures that took
    several hours; for some reason they thought the docs would accept $112
    for a procedure that the average office billed at $2400. I then
    learned that the insurance companies were using allowed values that were
    20+ years old. The doctor I worked for previously retired when Medicare
    slashed the amounts they allowed for lab tests and changed the laws to
    require providers to accept those amounts as payment in full.

    The insurance companies don't like to part with money. It's amazing
    some of the hoops I had to jump through just to get some regular fees
    allowed. They find every excuse to raise premiums and deny coverage.
    Did you know that if you were ever prescribed an antidepressant, and it
    doesn't matter how long ago it was, you can't buy private insurance
    coverage, or it's damn near impossible to find a company who will cover
    you without having you pay your entire income in premiums? Medical
    malpractice insurance premiums are another joke. Why should a GP who
    has never had a complaint against them have his malpractice premium go
    up 300% in a year just because one doc - who may not even be covered by
    the same company - got nailed with a 7-digit settlement? Doesn't make
    sense to me at all.

    Quoted message said:

    The govt seems to want the medical system to function, like other govt
    agencies, which means not at all (aka "dead in the water"😉.

    However, with medical care, this does leave people literally dead
    (murdered).

    You know, the government has little control over what private insurers
    and doctors do. I recall that you mentioned in another thread that you
    have Medicare and GEHA, and with both of these you're dealing with
    government entities. Medicare doesn't cover everything and only pays
    80% of the allowed amount. I think GEHA only pays that 20% between the
    Medicare payment and the allowed amount, which, if you were seeing
    doctors who aren't Medicare participants, means you get stuck paying the
    difference.

    I think that the way to solve the health care crisis in this country is
    to make Congress, Senate, etc., go through the same hassles as the
    average person who has insurance. Only then would we see real change.

    Kimmer
    kimagreenfieldatyahoodotcom

  8. "Kimmer" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Medical

    Quoted message said:

    malpractice insurance premiums are another joke. Why should a GP who
    has never had a complaint against them have his malpractice premium go
    up 300% in a year just because one doc - who may not even be covered by
    the same company - got nailed with a 7-digit settlement? Doesn't make
    sense to me at all.

    You do not understand the fundamental concept of insurance.

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