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  1. Thinking about my nagging problem areas - mainly the right hip and the left
    hamstring - I've somehow finally realized that these two problems may be
    related, and may be caused by mechanical problems. Both problems can become
    acute, and both at different times have stopped me from running when
    inflammation occurs; but until now I didn't take it seriously that my
    posture and/or running form could possibly be the direct cause.

    After having some signs of inflammation that left me extremely tight and
    wary of a sciatica attack over the past few days, I've been motivated to try
    to go beyond the treatments and preventative stretches that have helped so
    far to find a real cause for this pain. I got a few running books from the
    library to see what they might have to say, and I also started reading a
    book my sister had given me last year: "Pain Free: A Revolutionary Method
    for Stopping Chronic Pain".

    I got something from the descriptions of certain mechanical problems that
    can occur and how they manifest in various injuries from the running books.
    But what talked more extensively about it was the chapter on hips in the
    pain free book. It's just 15 pages, but it describes the problem of
    arthritis and hip replacements in society today, and why the authors believe
    mechanical problems are the more likely cause of such problems, and gives
    some exercises to help correct these problems.

    Basically they talked about how one or both sides of the pelvis can become
    chronically tilted or tucked under, and how this can mess things up and
    cause undue wear in the hip joints. They said that overall poor posture is
    also a contributing factor to hip problems.

    I haven't tried the exercises they prescribed yet, but something interesting
    happened when I ran today. Recently, as I've pushed my running (my long run
    duration and frequency) in preparation for a 50 mile race, my left hamstring
    has been hurting more and more. It's always a presence in my running, though
    sometimes it becomes very painful, as it has recently. Also my right hip has
    been on the verge of an acute attack the past few days, as I know from
    experience the conditions that usually precede such an attack.

    So, during today's run, I changed my posture consciously, though it was
    somewhat awkward. The result: no hamstring pain whatsoever, and what seemed
    like better tracking in both hips. Of course it's too soon to tell, but it
    was remarkable how the hamstring pain went away. I simply forced my
    shoulders and head back, and tried to keep my hips pressed forward as much
    as possible, and ran much more upright than usual.

    I knew my posture wasn't the best, but I didn't think it was that bad
    either. Now I think it may be the primary cause of these two running
    problems. It's too late before my race (10 days away) to make substantial
    changes to my running motion, and to fully correct my postural problems, but
    I'm encouraged by this more than by any of the other things I've found that
    have helped.

    As I ran today, I thought about Michael Johnson (always a hero of mine) and
    his strange running form. He ran very upright, and appeared to even lean
    back at times, but clearly had a style very different from most runners. His
    style: shoulders back and relaxed, hips straight and squarely under the
    torso, and what looked like short strides -- set two outstanding world
    records. It's not clear to me that a forward lean is bad, but it does seem
    like a forward lean could lead to a pelvic tilt that may be problematic, as
    such a pelvic tilt is suggested to be a source of hip problems in the pain
    free book.

    -Tony

  2. Tony S. said:

    Thinking about my nagging problem areas - mainly the right hip and the left
    hamstring - I've somehow finally realized that these two problems may be
    related, and may be caused by mechanical problems. Both problems can become
    acute, and both at different times have stopped me from running when
    inflammation occurs; but until now I didn't take it seriously that my
    posture and/or running form could possibly be the direct cause.

    After having some signs of inflammation that left me extremely tight and
    wary of a sciatica attack over the past few days, I've been motivated to try
    to go beyond the treatments and preventative stretches that have helped so
    far to find a real cause for this pain. I got a few running books from the
    library to see what they might have to say, and I also started reading a
    book my sister had given me last year: "Pain Free: A Revolutionary Method
    for Stopping Chronic Pain".

    I got something from the descriptions of certain mechanical problems that
    can occur and how they manifest in various injuries from the running books.
    But what talked more extensively about it was the chapter on hips in the
    pain free book. It's just 15 pages, but it describes the problem of
    arthritis and hip replacements in society today, and why the authors believe
    mechanical problems are the more likely cause of such problems, and gives
    some exercises to help correct these problems.

    Basically they talked about how one or both sides of the pelvis can become
    chronically tilted or tucked under, and how this can mess things up and
    cause undue wear in the hip joints. They said that overall poor posture is
    also a contributing factor to hip problems.

    I haven't tried the exercises they prescribed yet, but something interesting
    happened when I ran today. Recently, as I've pushed my running (my long run
    duration and frequency) in preparation for a 50 mile race, my left hamstring
    has been hurting more and more. It's always a presence in my running, though
    sometimes it becomes very painful, as it has recently. Also my right hip has
    been on the verge of an acute attack the past few days, as I know from
    experience the conditions that usually precede such an attack.

    So, during today's run, I changed my posture consciously, though it was
    somewhat awkward. The result: no hamstring pain whatsoever, and what seemed
    like better tracking in both hips. Of course it's too soon to tell, but it
    was remarkable how the hamstring pain went away. I simply forced my
    shoulders and head back, and tried to keep my hips pressed forward as much
    as possible, and ran much more upright than usual.

    I knew my posture wasn't the best, but I didn't think it was that bad
    either. Now I think it may be the primary cause of these two running
    problems. It's too late before my race (10 days away) to make substantial
    changes to my running motion, and to fully correct my postural problems, but
    I'm encouraged by this more than by any of the other things I've found that
    have helped.

    As I ran today, I thought about Michael Johnson (always a hero of mine) and
    his strange running form. He ran very upright, and appeared to even lean
    back at times, but clearly had a style very different from most runners. His
    style: shoulders back and relaxed, hips straight and squarely under the
    torso, and what looked like short strides -- set two outstanding world
    records. It's not clear to me that a forward lean is bad, but it does seem
    like a forward lean could lead to a pelvic tilt that may be problematic, as
    such a pelvic tilt is suggested to be a source of hip problems in the pain
    free book.

    -Tony

    Too often people don't recognize the spine is the cause of most of
    their running ills. You are lucky you are correcting it just by
    posture. Most people wait until they are so bad they need a
    chiropractor.
    TBR

    "As democracy is perfected, the office of president represents, more and
    more closely, the inner soul of the people. On some great and glorious day
    the plain folks of the land will reach their heart's desire at last and the
    White House will be adorned by a downright moron."
    H.L. Mencken (1880 - 1956)
    "Anyone with degrees from Yale and Harvard is presumed to be intelligent,
    but George W. Bush has managed to overcome that presumption."

  3. Tony S. said:

    I simply forced my
    shoulders and head back, and tried to keep my hips pressed forward as much
    as possible, and ran much more upright than usual.

    yes.

    Pay particular attention on uphills. I know when I catch myself leaning
    forward uphill as I tire, then straighten up with hips forward, I feel
    it in backs of legs. Which makes me wonder how much I lean forward
    without realizing it. I felt like I did a reasonable job on form at last
    night's race, but it was just a 5k on ski trails. I sometimes wish I had
    a video to see if my form is what I think it is, or whether it's
    slouched more than I realize (I'm sure it is).

    Quoted message said:


    I knew my posture wasn't the best, but I didn't think it was that bad
    either. Now I think it may be the primary cause of these two running
    problems. It's too late before my race (10 days away) to make substantial
    changes to my running motion, and to fully correct my postural problems, but
    I'm encouraged by this more than by any of the other things I've found that
    have helped.

    As I ran today, I thought about Michael Johnson (always a hero of mine) and
    his strange running form. He ran very upright, and appeared to even lean
    back at times, but clearly had a style very different from most runners. His
    style: shoulders back and relaxed, hips straight and squarely under the
    torso, and what looked like short strides -- set two outstanding world
    records. It's not clear to me that a forward lean is bad, but it does seem
    like a forward lean could lead to a pelvic tilt that may be problematic, as
    such a pelvic tilt is suggested to be a source of hip problems in the pain
    free book.

    What I've read and makes sense to me is that a forward lean at the
    *waist* gives your hip flexors and associated muscles restricted range
    of motion (bad thing). Forward lean at the *ankles" is a different matter.

    My hips had been getting better except when lifting heavy stuff or
    leaning over this spring. I finally went back to PT, he probed around
    and didn't find anything major other than tightness - just about
    everywhere, which was no surprise to him. He suggested some stretches
    for hips, ITB, etc, but they mostly focus on thrusting hips forward. I'm
    still working at it, but remembering to push hips forward is really
    important, I think. Core strength is a contributing factor also.

    Following some of Doug's suggestions from long ago, I'm finally trying
    massage since some of my muscles are *so* tight (and always have been)
    that I don't think stretching alone is the solution. The place I used
    also noticed complete tightness, but the one lady made a suggestion of
    using a hand massage (Homedic PA200H, iirc, which happened to be on sale
    at Sears for $15 at the time, normally about $70) to provide more
    frequent treatment. That seems to be helping. The days my hips are best
    are usually the days after long runs (more time in upright, vertical
    position) and worst after days with long sitting or trail work (leaning
    over clipping roots, etc = more time bent at waist).

    Just some thoughts about what seems to be working for me, which might be
    completely different from you but seems to have some commonalities. Good
    luck.

    Dot

    --
    "It's not football, but it is trail running." - Julie Udchachon, Women's
    US 50k trail champion 2005

  4. "Tony S." <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:Yc1We.4839$3b6.89@trndny07...

    Quoted message said:

    After having some signs of inflammation that left me extremely tight
    and
    wary of a sciatica attack over the past few days, I've been motivated
    to try
    to go beyond the treatments and preventative stretches that have
    helped so
    far to find a real cause for this pain. I got a few running books from
    the
    library to see what they might have to say, and I also started reading
    a
    book my sister had given me last year: "Pain Free: A Revolutionary
    Method
    for Stopping Chronic Pain".

    Another choice that has captured the hearts and minds of runners is
    yoga. [censored], the RD of the Escarpment says all is niggling problems have
    subsided since taking up yoga. Just some food for thought.

    -Doug

  5. On Thu, 15 Sep 2005 10:49:27 GMT, "Doug Freese" <[email hidden]>

    Quoted message said:

    Another choice that has captured the hearts and minds of runners is
    yoga. [censored], the RD of the Escarpment says all is niggling problems have
    subsided since taking up yoga. Just some food for thought.

    But how much yoga do you need to eat to get this effect? I only like
    strawberry yoga, is that ok?
    TBbR

    "As demobcracy is perfected, the office of president represents, more and
    more closely, the inner soul of the people. On some great and glorious day
    the plain folks of the land will reach their heart's desire at last and the
    White House will be adorned by a downright moron."
    H.L. Mencken (1880 - 1956)
    "Anyone with degrees from Yale and Harvard is presumed to be intelligent,
    but George W. Bush has managed to overcome that presumption."

  6. "Doug Freese" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:


    "Tony S." <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:Yc1We.4839$3b6.89@trndny07...

    Quoted message said:

    After having some signs of inflammation that left me extremely tight
    and
    wary of a sciatica attack over the past few days, I've been motivated
    to try
    to go beyond the treatments and preventative stretches that have
    helped so
    far to find a real cause for this pain. I got a few running books from
    the
    library to see what they might have to say, and I also started reading
    a
    book my sister had given me last year: "Pain Free: A Revolutionary
    Method
    for Stopping Chronic Pain".

    Another choice that has captured the hearts and minds of runners is
    yoga. [censored], the RD of the Escarpment says all is niggling problems have
    subsided since taking up yoga. Just some food for thought.

    -Doug

    Thanks, yoga certainly helps with posture and overall health. I've done yoga
    in the past. It's always been a matter putting in the time for things like
    that. I've always done a warm-up, a cool-down, and some minimal
    post-exercise stretching. It's more likely now that I will do some more
    core/stretching/yoga work. It takes more to counteract the bodily habits of
    modern life.

    -Tony

  7. "Dot" <dot.h@#duh?att.net> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    Tony S. said:

    I simply forced my
    shoulders and head back, and tried to keep my hips pressed forward as


    much

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    as possible, and ran much more upright than usual.

    yes.

    Pay particular attention on uphills. I know when I catch myself leaning
    forward uphill as I tire, then straighten up with hips forward, I feel
    it in backs of legs. Which makes me wonder how much I lean forward
    without realizing it. I felt like I did a reasonable job on form at last
    night's race, but it was just a 5k on ski trails. I sometimes wish I had
    a video to see if my form is what I think it is, or whether it's
    slouched more than I realize (I'm sure it is).

    True, particularly running slight uphills for me. But I find easy runs on
    flat ground the worst - that's when my apparent poor posture and the
    regularity of motion caused the most obvious problems.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    I knew my posture wasn't the best, but I didn't think it was that bad
    either. Now I think it may be the primary cause of these two running
    problems. It's too late before my race (10 days away) to make


    substantial

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    changes to my running motion, and to fully correct my postural problems,


    but

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    I'm encouraged by this more than by any of the other things I've found


    that

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    have helped.

    As I ran today, I thought about Michael Johnson (always a hero of mine)


    and

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    his strange running form. He ran very upright, and appeared to even lean
    back at times, but clearly had a style very different from most runners.


    His

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    style: shoulders back and relaxed, hips straight and squarely under the
    torso, and what looked like short strides -- set two outstanding world
    records. It's not clear to me that a forward lean is bad, but it does


    seem

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    like a forward lean could lead to a pelvic tilt that may be problematic,


    as

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    such a pelvic tilt is suggested to be a source of hip problems in the


    pain

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    free book.

    What I've read and makes sense to me is that a forward lean at the
    *waist* gives your hip flexors and associated muscles restricted range
    of motion (bad thing). Forward lean at the *ankles" is a different matter.

    Yes, that makes sense, as long as the hips, shoulders, etc. are in line.

    Quoted message said:

    My hips had been getting better except when lifting heavy stuff or
    leaning over this spring. I finally went back to PT, he probed around
    and didn't find anything major other than tightness - just about
    everywhere, which was no surprise to him. He suggested some stretches
    for hips, ITB, etc, but they mostly focus on thrusting hips forward. I'm
    still working at it, but remembering to push hips forward is really
    important, I think. Core strength is a contributing factor also.

    Following some of Doug's suggestions from long ago, I'm finally trying
    massage since some of my muscles are *so* tight (and always have been)
    that I don't think stretching alone is the solution. The place I used
    also noticed complete tightness, but the one lady made a suggestion of
    using a hand massage (Homedic PA200H, iirc, which happened to be on sale
    at Sears for $15 at the time, normally about $70) to provide more
    frequent treatment. That seems to be helping. The days my hips are best
    are usually the days after long runs (more time in upright, vertical
    position) and worst after days with long sitting or trail work (leaning
    over clipping roots, etc = more time bent at waist).

    Just some thoughts about what seems to be working for me, which might be
    completely different from you but seems to have some commonalities. Good
    luck.

    Your experience is helpful, thanks. Yea, stretching alone isn't a solution
    for very tight muscles. For most of this year my muscles have been more
    relaxed than in recent years, until the last month of ramped up training. I
    hope good mechanics might help spread the balance of stress more.

    -Tony

    Quoted message said:

    Dot
    --
    "It's not football, but it is trail running." - Julie Udchachon, Women's
    US 50k trail champion 2005

  8. The Bill Rodgres said:

    On Thu, 15 Sep 2005 10:49:27 GMT, "Doug Freese" <[email hidden]>

    Quoted message said:

    Another choice that has captured the hearts and minds of runners is
    yoga. [censored], the RD of the Escarpment says all is niggling problems have
    subsided since taking up yoga. Just some food for thought.

    But how much yoga do you need to eat to get this effect? I only like
    strawberry yoga, is that ok?
    TBbR

    That's yoga, not yogurt, dumbass.

    "As democracy is perfected, the office of president represents, more
    and
    more closely, the inner soul of the people. On some great and glorious
    day
    the plain folks of the land will reach their heart's desire at last and
    the
    White House will be adorned by a downright moron."
    H.L. Mencken (1880 - 1956)
    "Anyone with degrees from Yale and Harvard is presumed to be
    intelligent,
    but George W. Bush has managed to overcome that presumption."

  9. "macelroy" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    That's yoga, not yogurt, dumbass.

    Don't interrupt him, it's fun to watch him wallow in a state of
    exiguous brain cells.
    -DF

  10. Tony S. said:

    So, during today's run, I changed my posture consciously, though it was
    somewhat awkward. The result: no hamstring pain whatsoever, and what seemed
    like better tracking in both hips. Of course it's too soon to tell, but it
    was remarkable how the hamstring pain went away. I simply forced my
    shoulders and head back, and tried to keep my hips pressed forward as much
    as possible, and ran much more upright than usual.

    Back when I was coaching, I always told my runners not to lean forward
    (never bend the waist), but rather to fall forward, with elbows way back
    and back arched, center of gravity up and forward and shoulders, hip and
    foot in a straight line, perpendicular to the ground when the foot
    struck the ground. The result was 0% injuries and 100% PR's (usually
    100% each week).

    Ed Friedman

  11. [posted and mailed]

    Quoted message said:

    Too often people don't recognize the spine is the cause of
    most of their running ills. You are lucky you are
    correcting it just by posture. Most people wait until they
    are so bad they need a chiropractor.
    TBR

    Bill,

    I thought that Nike shoes were the "cause of
    most of their running ills?"

  12. On Thu, 15 Sep 2005 22:30:33 GMT, Mark and Christine <[email hidden]>

    Quoted message said:

    I thought that Nike shoes were the "cause of
    most of their running ills?"

    They are, that's what makes your back crooked to start with, running
    in crappy nikes.
    TBR

    "As democracy is perfected, the office of president represents, more and
    more closely, the inner soul of the people. On some great and glorious day
    the plain folks of the land will reach their heart's desire at last and the
    White House will be adorned by a downright moron."
    H.L. Mencken (1880 - 1956)
    "Anyone with degrees from Yale and Harvard is presumed to be intelligent,
    but George W. Bush has managed to overcome that presumption."

  13. The Bill Rodgers said:

    On Thu, 15 Sep 2005 22:30:33 GMT, Mark and Christine <[email hidden]>

    Quoted message said:

    I thought that Nike shoes were the "cause of
    most of their running ills?"

    They are, that's what makes your back crooked to start with, running
    in crappy nikes.

    I've been running in Nikes since 78. I've yet to have a running-related
    injury.

  14. macelroy said:

    I've been running in Nikes since 78. I've yet to have a running-related
    injury.

    Too bad you're a useless troll, otherwise you'd be the exception to
    the rule. A recently published study just backed up what I've always
    said "nikes cause more injurys than any other shoe".
    TBR

    "As democracy is perfected, the office of president represents, more and
    more closely, the inner soul of the people. On some great and glorious day
    the plain folks of the land will reach their heart's desire at last and the
    White House will be adorned by a downright moron."
    H.L. Mencken (1880 - 1956)
    "Anyone with degrees from Yale and Harvard is presumed to be intelligent,
    but George W. Bush has managed to overcome that presumption."

  15. Tony S. said:

    So, during today's run, I changed my posture consciously, though it was
    somewhat awkward. The result: no hamstring pain whatsoever, and what seemed
    like better tracking in both hips. Of course it's too soon to tell, but it
    was remarkable how the hamstring pain went away. I simply forced my
    shoulders and head back, and tried to keep my hips pressed forward as much
    as possible, and ran much more upright than usual.

    Wouldn't recommend consciously changing as a general rule, but sometimes it
    can help, especially if your form is deteriorating as a result of slouching
    under fatigue.

    I find that I can feel it in my footstrike when my posture is off. Change
    your forward lean and it changes the way the toe-off feels. The trick is to
    adjust it so that you get a nice clean footstrike -- you shouldn't be pounding
    with your heel, but you should be getting a nice firm push-off through the
    ball of your foot (you don't want to turn over so fast that you're just
    spinning your wheels) If the posture is off, you might have worse than just
    chronic pelvic tilt, you could also be pounding the ground harder than you
    have to because you're messing up your footstrike mechanics.

    Cheers,
    --
    Donovan Rebbechi
    http://pegasus.rutgers.edu/~elflord/

  16. [censored] lifting.
    and arch lifting well jerk military press and all else.
    found an article in a 1966 muscle lifting mag that explains in more
    simple terms on the mechanics

    yesterday at the park I went back on the picnic table. since I haven't
    did that since I was Lowtuc......stretch seem to help in that left ham
    pull......
    i would like to at least do 1 hour a day at the DNR.....troll on a table
    thing.....
    kind of soar today in spine area so going to rest....and take it light
    and slow and build up again.......
    i like the deep squat artical with the bar high over head. and half
    squats. and lots of presses.....both chest and board slanted upward and
    military too.....
    butt the deep squats. wit weights hands far apart not shoulder width
    like others.

    and pay not to the. back arch.one. tomorow well get right name for
    this one....and respond here so you might be ble to find something on
    this name.... first I ever heard of it.. a polish thing....... before
    1974 super rusian nat-A-lee co-ma=nis thing in gymnastics..she was so
    HOT...... not easy with a 20 mile a day bike ride too boot.....legs
    seem week. and back spine need improveing.. to run again or in my case
    jog.......

  17. Tom Wheeler said:

    yesterday at the park I went back on the picnic table. since I haven't
    did that since I was Lowtuc

    If you're not Lowtuc, what have you done with him?

    Quoted message said:

    to run again or in my case

    When will you be running again?

    tkb

  18. "Donovan Rebbechi" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    Tony S. said:

    So, during today's run, I changed my posture consciously, though it was
    somewhat awkward. The result: no hamstring pain whatsoever, and what


    seemed

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    like better tracking in both hips. Of course it's too soon to tell, but


    it

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    was remarkable how the hamstring pain went away. I simply forced my
    shoulders and head back, and tried to keep my hips pressed forward as


    much

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    as possible, and ran much more upright than usual.

    Wouldn't recommend consciously changing as a general rule, but sometimes


    it

    Quoted message said:

    can help, especially if your form is deteriorating as a result of


    slouching

    Quoted message said:

    under fatigue.

    Yea I'd normally agree; it was an experiement. In my race I won't be able to
    force it as much as I can in a short training run.

    Quoted message said:

    I find that I can feel it in my footstrike when my posture is off. Change
    your forward lean and it changes the way the toe-off feels. The trick is


    to

    Quoted message said:

    adjust it so that you get a nice clean footstrike -- you shouldn't be


    pounding

    Quoted message said:

    with your heel, but you should be getting a nice firm push-off through the
    ball of your foot (you don't want to turn over so fast that you're just
    spinning your wheels) If the posture is off, you might have worse than


    just

    Quoted message said:

    chronic pelvic tilt, you could also be pounding the ground harder than you
    have to because you're messing up your footstrike mechanics.

    I've never been a heel-pounder, and normally strike with fairly even
    pressure, though I did note during a long run recently that after a few
    hours I seemed to be heel striking a bit on the left foot only.

    My footstrike is lighter than it used to be, but I'm lighter too. Tree-trunk
    legs don't help make for a light strike. One might think that it's the
    biking I do that retains mass in the legs, but I've found over the years
    that long runs tend to make the legs gain/retain mass more than cycling. One
    year I did nothing but cycling and my legs actually got slimmer.

    I believe it's said that as a runner runs more miles, their stride naturally
    becomes more efficient, and maybe the same can be said for the foot strike.
    OTOH, poor posture that carries over from normal life wouldn't be likely to
    correct itself as naturally.

    -Tony

    Quoted message said:

    Cheers,
    --
    Donovan Rebbechi
    http://pegasus.rutgers.edu/~elflord/

  19. On Fri, 16 Sep 2005 08:19:45 -0400, [email hidden] (Tom

    Wheeler) said:

    [censored] lifting

    That's gotta hurt.
    TBR

    "As democracy is perfected, the office of president represents, more and
    more closely, the inner soul of the people. On some great and glorious day
    the plain folks of the land will reach their heart's desire at last and the
    White House will be adorned by a downright moron."
    H.L. Mencken (1880 - 1956)
    "Anyone with degrees from Yale and Harvard is presumed to be intelligent,
    but George W. Bush has managed to overcome that presumption."

  20. On Thu, 15 Sep 2005 17:06:43 -0500, Ed Friedman <[email hidden]>

    Quoted message said:
    Tony S. said:

    So, during today's run, I changed my posture consciously, though it was
    somewhat awkward. The result: no hamstring pain whatsoever, and what seemed
    like better tracking in both hips. Of course it's too soon to tell, but it
    was remarkable how the hamstring pain went away. I simply forced my
    shoulders and head back, and tried to keep my hips pressed forward as much
    as possible, and ran much more upright than usual.

    Back when I was coaching, I always told my runners not to lean forward
    (never bend the waist), but rather to fall forward, with elbows way back
    and back arched, center of gravity up and forward and shoulders, hip and
    foot in a straight line, perpendicular to the ground when the foot
    struck the ground. The result was 0% injuries and 100% PR's (usually
    100% each week).

    Ed Friedman

    Hi Ed,

    "Fall forward" I get. But by "back arched" you mean *lower* back? --
    small of back flattened out / abs in tension / pelvis crunched forward?
    And then, shoulders/hip/foot in line I get. But by perpendicular do you
    mean at right angles to the horizon as seen from the *side*? -- Wouldn't
    that angle change depending on speed?

    0% injuries and 100%PR's is tantalizing -- that's why I am asking for
    clarification.

    Thanks,

    --
    Daniel
    [email hidden]

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