Mayo crashes before Pavé

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Iban Mayo has been involved in a big pile-up just before
the cobbles. His shorts are ripped and he has a big gash
on his left thigh but seems to be regaining the bunch.

Ofcourse, that's the moment that the bunch of US Postal
[censored] decide to ride a tempo that prevents Mayo from
rejoining the group. Armstrong expects everyone else to wait
for him, but God forbid that he would extend that courtesy
to others.

David Off said:

Iban Mayo has been involved in a big pile-up just before
the cobbles. His shorts are ripped and he has a big gash
on his left thigh but seems to be regaining the bunch.

Marco Velo looks to be out -- blood all over his jersey.

I believe the wait is expected for the yellow jersey only,
although I may be mistaken about that.

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Iban Mayo has been involved in a big pile-up just before
the cobbles. His shorts are ripped and he has a big gash
on his left thigh but seems to be regaining the bunch.

Ofcourse, that's the moment that the bunch of US Postal
[censored] decide to ride a tempo that prevents Mayo from
rejoining the group. Armstrong expects everyone else to
wait for him, but God forbid that he would extend that
courtesy to others.

Jonathan v.d. Sluis said:

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Iban Mayo has been involved in a big pile-up just before
the cobbles. His shorts are ripped and he has a big gash
on his left thigh but seems to be regaining the bunch.

Ofcourse, that's the moment that the bunch of US Postal
[censored] decide to ride a tempo that prevents Mayo from
rejoining the group. Armstrong expects everyone else to
wait for him, but God forbid that he would extend that
courtesy to others.

So you're blaming Armstrong and Postal for having the sense
to be leading the group when entering a difficult stretch?

Robert Chung said:

Marco Velo looks to be out -- blood all over his jersey.

absolutely horrible crash for Velo, a fractured clavicule.
Very nasty.

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I believe the wait is expected for the yellow jersey only,
although I may be mistaken about that.

You're mistaken. It has nothing to do with the yellow
jersey. If your rival has a fall, you're supposed not to
attack. It has been done several times in the Tour, but is
still - and rightly so - considered to be very
unsportsmanslike.

Benjo Maso

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I believe the wait is expected for the yellow jersey only,
although I may be mistaken about that.

There is no expected wait. Ullrich showed his class by
waiting, Armstrong does not.

Jonathan.

Then I stand corrected.

benjo maso said:

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Quoted message said:

I believe the wait is expected for the yellow jersey only,
although I may be mistaken about that.

You're mistaken. It has nothing to do with the yellow
jersey. If your rival has a fall, you're supposed not to
attack. It has been done several times in the Tour, but is
still - and rightly so - considered to be very
unsportsmanslike.

Benjo Maso

On Tue, 6 Jul 2004 16:06:07 +0200, "benjo maso" <[email hidden]>

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I believe the wait is expected for the yellow jersey
only, although I may be mistaken about that.

You're mistaken. It has nothing to do with the yellow
jersey. If your rival has a fall, you're supposed not to
attack. It has been done several times in the Tour, but is
still - and rightly so - considered to be very
unsportsmanslike.

Benjo Maso

That's right.

But Mr. Armstrong considers himself a god, so he will
get away with
it. But he makes no friends amongst the Spanish riders. And
that will be a big tactical mistake. Spanish teams tend
to help each other.

Greets, Arne Vogel.

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I believe the wait is expected for the yellow jersey only,
although I may be mistaken about that.

There is no expected wait. Ullrich showed his class by
waiting, Armstrong does not.

Ullrich is in the same group dipshit.

--
Scott Johnson / scottjohnson at kc dot rr dot com

I think the decision to ride in front had more to do with
the upcoming cobbles than Mayo's misfortune? Just worked
out that way.

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Quoted message said:

I believe the wait is expected for the yellow jersey
only, although I may be mistaken about that.

There is no expected wait. Ullrich showed his class by
waiting, Armstrong does not.

Jonathan.

AMG said:

Of course, Ullrich isn't waiting here either.

Perhaps it is assumed that the second group will close the
gap by the end of the stage? In that case, waiting or not
makes no difference. We'll see in a short while how this
ends up.

Don't be silly. They're riding to put time on Mayo and
everyone else in the second group. It's about winning the
Tour.

The justification, I suspect, is that this was a split
made on the pave. Splits on the pave are expected -- part
of the game. There's no gentleman's agreement to
neutralize the cobbles.

Dan

Top Sirloin said:

Ullrich is in the same group dipshit.

But the teams of Arrmstrong and Hamilton were doing the
job, specially in the begin, when the difference was
being build up.

On Tue, 06 Jul 2004 14:51:16 GMT, Dan Connelly

d_j_c_o_n_n_e_l@i_e_e_e.o_r_g said:

The justification, I suspect, is that this was a split
made on the pave. Splits on the pave are expected -- part
of the game. There's no gentleman's agreement to
neutralize the cobbles.

Dan

No, the split was made as a result of the fall, with Mayo.
That was _before_ the cobbles.

Greets, Arne Vogel.

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Originally posted by Dan Connelly

BAMG said:

Of course, Ullrich isn't waiting here either.

Perhaps it is assumed that the second group will close the
gap by the end of the stage? In that case, waiting or not
makes no difference. We'll see in a short while how this
ends up.

Don't be silly. They're riding to put time on Mayo and
everyone else in the second group. It's about winning the
Tour.

The justification, I suspect, is that this was a split
made on the pave. Splits on the pave are expected -- part
of the game. There's no gentleman's agreement to
neutralize the cobbles.

Dan [/B]

As our mothers have always said: "what goes around comes around" Did you guys see the three Phonak guys pulling hard right along side Hincapie? Remember Hamilton reminding everybody to wait last year? Hamilton is just as [censored] as Lance. Lance probably told Hamilton to bring his team to the front.

Bird said:

Top Sirloin said:

Ullrich is in the same group dipshit.

But the teams of Arrmstrong and Hamilton were doing the
job, specially in the begin, when the difference was being
build up.

And your point is? None them were going to [censored] away the
opportunity.

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Scott Johnson / scottjohnson at kc dot rr dot com

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Quoted message said:

Top Sirloin said:

Ullrich is in the same group dipshit.

But the teams of Arrmstrong and Hamilton were doing the
job, specially in the begin, when the difference was being
build up.

Everyone in the race knew the lead up to the cobbles would
cause problems and most of the GC riders and their teammates
worked extra hard to be in front of any problems. Just as we
saw happen a few years back on the wet narrow road that
caused a similar expected split the teams who worked hard to
be in the front before problems extended their advantage
after the problems.

-WG

Top Sirloin said:

Quoted message said:

But the teams of Arrmstrong and Hamilton were doing the
job, specially in the begin, when the difference was
being build up.

And your point is? None them were going to [censored] away the
opportunity.

My point is Ullrichs team was _not_ doing the job. Armstrong
and Hamilton decide it would be nice to get an extra benefit
from Mayo's fall.

What is your point? Ullrich should wait? (literally, stop
and wait alongside the road and let Armstrong go) ????

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I believe the wait is expected for the yellow jersey
only, although I may be mistaken about that.

You're mistaken. It has nothing to do with the yellow
jersey. If your

rival

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has a fall, you're supposed not to attack. It has been
done several times

in

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the Tour, but is still - and rightly so - considered to be
very unsportsmanslike.

Benjo Maso

It might not have anything to do with the yellow jersey, but
it has to be pointed out that Hushovd was also held up by a
fall, according to Dekker. It would have been strange if he
simply wasn't able to keep the pace on a cobbled section, as
I think he is quite good at riding there.