Mavic rim tick-tick-tick

* * Chas said:

I've used it for stretching new sewups.

New sewups? Didn't know they still made those archaic tires.

Greg

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Stan Cox said:

Qui si parla Campagnolo said:

Dan said:

I know from this NG that this is not uncommon but what is the best fix?
It is driving me nuts.

Steady tick----tick----tick in the rear when pedaling or coasting.
Sometimes a tick-rick---tick-rick---tick-rick. If I move my weight
forward over the front wheel it stops and then returns when I sit back.
Open Pro rim, Centaur 9sp hub, 1.7mm DB spokes, alloy nipples w/
eyelets. I laced this rim onto the old spokes when the old rim was
damaged about 4 years ago. Probably close to 10,000 miles on the rim and
a couple crashes.

Any suggestions?

one of two things...or both...

noise between the nipp and eyelet-drops of lindseed oil between nipp
and eyelet..or wedge that holds the rim together for welding has come
loose..noise only. A punch in the channel where the rim strip is or
drill a wee hole and a bit of glue in there.

I had this on an open pro after just over a year of use. I tried both
approaches and neither worked. I ended up having to replace the rim. Now
I have the same problem on a cxp33. Luckily at the moment it just
rattles at low speed. Its really put me off mavic rims. Which is a shame
as its difficult to get wheels built with other brands & I dont build my
own.

Stan Cox

P.s. Before you mention velocity rims I am British & have never seen a
pair over here

Then you can readily obtain Ambrosio rims.

--
Michael Press

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I still have a Fiamme Yellow rim in almost new condition. After I dented
the rear rim I decide that at 175 Lbs. I weighed too much to ride them.
They were only 260 gm or something like that right?

I believe they actually weighed around 290 grams or so. Dentable as they
were, they didn't seem to fail in a destructive manner, and they were a lot
tougher than the Martano rims that some thought to be the
coolest-thing-ever.

--Mike-- Chain Reaction Bicycles
www.ChainReactionBicycles.com

"* * Chas" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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"Mike Jacoubowsky" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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This has been a problem with all rims (even in the days of Fiamme
tubular rims) with non-stainless eyelets on which spoke nipples

bear.

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It was never a problem for me with Fiamme Yellows (Ergals), since

they'd get

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dented long before they got a chance to get noisy. Thankfully they

were

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relatively cheap, Robergel Sport spokes were cheap (but ugly), and I

could

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build wheels fast.

--Mike Jacoubowsky
Chain Reaction Bicycles
www.ChainReaction.com
Redwood City & Los Altos, CA USA

I still have a Fiamme Yellow rim in almost new condition. After I dented
the rear rim I decide that at 175 Lbs. I weighed too much to ride them.
They were only 260 gm or something like that right?

I've used it for stretching new sewups.

Chas.

"Mike Jacoubowsky" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

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I still have a Fiamme Yellow rim in almost new condition. After I

dented

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

the rear rim I decide that at 175 Lbs. I weighed too much to ride

them.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

They were only 260 gm or something like that right?

I believe they actually weighed around 290 grams or so. Dentable as

they

Quoted message said:

were, they didn't seem to fail in a destructive manner, and they were

a lot

Quoted message said:

tougher than the Martano rims that some thought to be the
coolest-thing-ever.

--Mike-- Chain Reaction Bicycles
www.ChainReactionBicycles.com

My favorites where/are Super Champion Arc-en-Ciel rims. I still have a
set of these private labeled for Milremo the former French mega
distributor.

I have to finish removing the old rim cement and I'm ready to start
riding sewups again on my old retro-grouch bikes.

Chas.

Michael Press said:

In article <[email hidden]>,

Stan Cox said:

Qui si parla Campagnolo said:

Dan wrote:
> I know from this NG that this is not uncommon but what is the best fix?

<snip>

x

Quoted message said:

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P.s. Before you mention velocity rims I am British & have never seen a
pair over here

Then you can readily obtain Ambrosio rims.

I dont know about readily. Ambrosio products seem to be getting harder
to find although they can still be if you hunt around a bit. Most places
seem to have gone almost completely over to boutique wheels. <sarcasm>I
really want 16 spokes on a winter training wheel </sarcasm>

Stan Cox

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Michael Press said:

In article <[email hidden]>,

Stan Cox said:

Qui si parla Campagnolo wrote:
> Dan wrote:
>> I know from this NG that this is not uncommon but what is the

best fix?

Quoted message said:

<snip>

x

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

P.s. Before you mention velocity rims I am British & have never

seen a

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

pair over here

Then you can readily obtain Ambrosio rims.

I dont know about readily. Ambrosio products seem to be getting harder
to find although they can still be if you hunt around a bit. Most

places

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seem to have gone almost completely over to boutique wheels.

<sarcasm>I

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really want 16 spokes on a winter training wheel </sarcasm>

Stan Cox

What's the difference between summer and winter in Blighty, it rains
less??? ;-)

Chas.

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Dianne who? said:

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I guess I don't really know what the wedge is but I am picturing a
flat bar just under the channel where the rim tape goes.

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That's basically it. Here's a drawing of one rim wedge:

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http://v3.espacenet.com/textdoc?DB=EPODOC&IDX=US6048035&F=0

To bad that drawing did not include sockets and eyelets. Other than
that, it is beautifully descriptive of a reasonable rim, a MAVIC MA-2.

That patent was filed in 1998; when did Mavic discontinue the MA-2?

Pat
(Who says the patent office has clearly lost its mind.)

Pat Lamb said:

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> I guess I don't really know what the wedge is but I am picturing
> a flat bar just under the channel where the rim tape goes.

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That's basically it. Here's a drawing of one rim wedge:

http://v3.espacenet.com/textdoc?DB=EPODOC&IDX=US6048035&F=0

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To bad that drawing did not include sockets and eyelets. Other
than that, it is beautifully descriptive of a reasonable rim, a
MAVIC MA-2.

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That patent was filed in 1998; when did Mavic discontinue the MA-2?

Patent! You can't patent that rim cross section nor that the joint be
aligned with an internal sleeve. Rims have been made that way as long
as extruded aluminum has been around. besides, welded joint rims are
nearly equally old. The MA-2, also the Gentleman rim were around more
than 50 years ago.

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(Who says the patent office has clearly lost its mind.)

Well not only that, they also have no patent Google that can search
for previous and expired patents. That's why Rolf Dietrich was
granted a patent on Lovelace's 1890 invention of the paired spoke
wheel... which of course is invalid due to "prior art". See page 157
"King of the Road" by Andrew Ritchey.

Jobst Brandt

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My favorites where/are Super Champion Arc-en-Ciel rims. I still have a
set of these private labeled for Milremo the former French mega
distributor.

Sigh. I'd kill to find one of my old Ron Kitching (is that right?)
catalog... the one with the great descriptions of the Cinelli A & B models,
all manner of TA stuff, oh heck, just about EVERYTHING that was bicycling at
the time.

--Mike Jacoubowsky
Chain Reaction Bicycles
www.ChainReaction.com
Redwood City & Los Altos, CA USA

"* * Chas" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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"Mike Jacoubowsky" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

I still have a Fiamme Yellow rim in almost new condition. After I

dented

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

the rear rim I decide that at 175 Lbs. I weighed too much to ride

them.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

They were only 260 gm or something like that right?

I believe they actually weighed around 290 grams or so. Dentable as

they

Quoted message said:

were, they didn't seem to fail in a destructive manner, and they were

a lot

Quoted message said:

tougher than the Martano rims that some thought to be the
coolest-thing-ever.

--Mike-- Chain Reaction Bicycles
www.ChainReactionBicycles.com

My favorites where/are Super Champion Arc-en-Ciel rims. I still have a
set of these private labeled for Milremo the former French mega
distributor.

I have to finish removing the old rim cement and I'm ready to start
riding sewups again on my old retro-grouch bikes.

Chas.

Mike Jacoubowsky said:

Sigh. I'd kill to find one of my old Ron Kitching (is that right?)
catalog... the one with the great descriptions of the Cinelli A & B models,
all manner of TA stuff, oh heck, just about EVERYTHING that was bicycling at
the time.

--Mike Jacoubowsky

Dear Mike,

Check your email.

Cheers,

Carl Fogel

"Mike Jacoubowsky" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

My favorites where/are Super Champion Arc-en-Ciel rims. I still have

a

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

set of these private labeled for Milremo the former French mega
distributor.

Sigh. I'd kill to find one of my old Ron Kitching (is that right?)
catalog... the one with the great descriptions of the Cinelli A & B

models,

Quoted message said:

all manner of TA stuff, oh heck, just about EVERYTHING that was

bicycling at

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the time.

--Mike Jacoubowsky
Chain Reaction Bicycles
www.ChainReaction.com
Redwood City & Los Altos, CA USA

Milremo was mostly French made equipment that was distributed by Andre
Bertin on the continent and Ron Kitching in the UK. We used to import
Milremo components in the 70's. I cut up a number of those old catalogs
and other classics for doing cut-and-paste layouts for our advertising
flyers in the pre desktop publishing era. The Daniel Rebour
illustrations were great.

BTW, I live over in the East Bay. I'm going to have to stop by your shop
and check it out.

Chas.

G.T. said:

* * Chas said:

I've used it for stretching new sewups.

New sewups? Didn't know they still made those archaic tires.

Greg

Pretty funny..there are more sewups being made today than in the last
decade. 2 new models from Conti, one from Vittoria..carbon rims, most
of which are tubie, plus the very high price of carbon clinchers, mean
there are lots of tubies. After tubeless tires on road bikes come and
go, tubulars will still be around.

Stan Cox said:

Michael Press said:

In article <[email hidden]>,

Stan Cox said:

Qui si parla Campagnolo wrote:
> Dan wrote:
>> I know from this NG that this is not uncommon but what is the best fix?

<snip>

x

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

P.s. Before you mention velocity rims I am British & have never seen a
pair over here

have yer bike shop call the guys at Velocity USA, the US distributor..I
am sure that you can ship over the pond...read about it, it was in all
the papaers.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Then you can readily obtain Ambrosio rims.

I dont know about readily. Ambrosio products seem to be getting harder
to find although they can still be if you hunt around a bit. Most places
seem to have gone almost completely over to boutique wheels. <sarcasm>I
really want 16 spokes on a winter training wheel </sarcasm>

Stan Cox

* * Chas said:

What's the difference between summer and winter in Blighty, it rains
less??? ;-)

Warmer rain.

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AndyAtJinkasDotFreeserve.Co.UK

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