Mavic 519 vs. 517

"Justin Collins" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Hi, I was wondering which I should look into getting, the 519 or 517 rim from mavic.

I am riding XC

Neither. Get the 618.

JD

JD said:

"Justin Collins" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

Hi, I was wondering which I should look into getting, the 519 or 517 rim from mavic.

I am riding XC

Neither. Get the 618.

JD

And get fresh tires - my wtb velociraptors aren't holding on well anymore, the sidewalls must be
weak. I know my tires were fairly pumped, because I had just pumped it up two days before, and I
managed to fudge a bunnyhop and get a pinch flat. AND dent my fairly new 618! WAAAH!

At least it didn't crack like the 517 - that was a slow leak I should have noticed a lot earlier and
a stairway hop (cleared the first step or two, didn't get the last one... d'oh!)

Jon Bond gonna have some fun with his 618 and an adjustable wrench

Justin Collins said:

Hi, I was wondering which I should look into getting, the 519 or 517 rim from mavic.

I am riding XC

How many pounds do you put on the scale?

I've seen figures reported by Mavic in germany saying that specific rims are for a maximum weight,
they have been shown in the magazine named Bike and also quoted on the Danish Cycelist Union (Dansk
Cycelist Forbund):

Komplette MTB-hjul <85 kg: Crossmax SL, Crossmax SL Disc, Crossroc Disc & Crossride <100 kg:
Crossmax XL & Crossmax XL Disc <115 kg: Deemax UST

MTB-fælge <75 kg: X517 <90 kg: X139, X139 Disc, X221, X223, X223 Disc, X317 Disc, X618, X3.1 &
X3.1 Disc <115 kg: F219, F519, D321 Disc, D3.1 Disc.

(1 kg = 2.2 pounds)

I assume the weight must included the bike, water and all plus it's total weight not just the stress
on an individual wheel.

Regards

Bruno

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Justin Collins said:

Hi, I was wondering which I should look into getting, the 519 or 517 rim from mavic.

I am riding XC

How many pounds do you put on the scale?

I've seen figures reported by Mavic in germany saying that specific rims are for a maximum weight,
they have been shown in the magazine named Bike and also quoted on the Danish Cycelist Union
(Dansk Cycelist Forbund):

Komplette MTB-hjul <85 kg: Crossmax SL, Crossmax SL Disc, Crossroc Disc & Crossride <100 kg:
Crossmax XL & Crossmax XL Disc <115 kg: Deemax UST

MTB-fælge <75 kg: X517 <90 kg: X139, X139 Disc, X221, X223, X223 Disc, X317 Disc, X618, X3.1 &
X3.1 Disc <115 kg: F219, F519, D321 Disc, D3.1 Disc.

(1 kg = 2.2 pounds)

I assume the weight must included the bike, water and all plus it's total weight not just the
stress on an individual wheel.

Regards

Bruno

I weigh just over 100kg and have broken both a x219 and an x519. The x219 cracked around the spoke
holes; the x519 cracked between spoke holes inside under the rim tape.

David

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Justin Collins said:

Hi, I was wondering which I should look into getting, the 519 or 517 rim from mavic.

I am riding XC

How many pounds do you put on the scale?

I've seen figures reported by Mavic in germany saying that specific rims are for a maximum weight,
they have been shown in the magazine named Bike and also quoted on the Danish Cycelist Union
(Dansk Cycelist Forbund):

Komplette MTB-hjul <85 kg: Crossmax SL, Crossmax SL Disc, Crossroc Disc & Crossride <100 kg:
Crossmax XL & Crossmax XL Disc <115 kg: Deemax UST

MTB-fælge <75 kg: X517 <90 kg: X139, X139 Disc, X221, X223, X223 Disc, X317 Disc, X618, X3.1 &
X3.1 Disc <115 kg: F219, F519, D321 Disc, D3.1 Disc.

That's just marketing [censored]. The X618 weighs the same as an F519 but the X618 is much stronger.
They're just trying to market the F519 as a freeride rim so they come up with stupid tables showing
how much weight an F519 is SUPPOSED to handle.

Greg

--
"Destroy your safe and happy lives before it is too late, the battles we fought were long and hard,
just not to be consumed by rock n' roll..." - The Mekons

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I was wondering which I should look into getting, the 519 or 517 rim from mavic.

I am riding XC

I'm about 210#.

I've broken one frame, but my Mavic 517's haven't given me any trouble. Yet...
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PeteCresswell

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Hi, I was wondering which I should look into getting, the 519 or 517 rim from mavic.

I am riding XC

Justin

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Whatever rims you decide on, the way they are built is just as important as the components
you choose.

Fredzep

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That's just marketing [censored]. The X618 weighs the same as an F519 but the X618 is much stronger.
They're just trying to market the F519 as a freeride rim so they come up with stupid tables
showing how much weight an F519 is SUPPOSED to handle.

Greg

Greg, serious question, what info do you have that the 618 is stronger? I am looking to buy a new
wheel and was trying to compare them, it seems the 519 has a wider profile?

Steve E.

"(Pete Cresswell)" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

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RE/

Quoted message said:

I was wondering which I should look into getting, the 519 or 517 rim from mavic.

I am riding XC

I'm about 210#.

I've broken one frame, but my Mavic 517's haven't given me any trouble. Yet...
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PeteCresswell

Maybe I'm just a lightweight, too, (185#) but my handbuilt 517's on my SS have never shown signs of
wear or weakness, and I've been thrashing them pretty good for 3 years. Maybe it's the lack of urban
huckness that keeps them young...

Paladin

Paladin said:

"(Pete Cresswell)" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

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Quoted message said:

I was wondering which I should look into getting, the 519 or 517 rim from mavic.

I am riding XC

I'm about 210#.

I've broken one frame, but my Mavic 517's haven't given me any trouble. Yet...
-----------------------
PeteCresswell

Maybe I'm just a lightweight, too, (185#) but my handbuilt 517's on my SS have never shown signs
of wear or weakness, and I've been thrashing them pretty good for 3 years. Maybe it's the lack of
urban huckness that keeps them young...

At 210# my rear 517 split along the spoke holes and both rims showed stress around the spoke holes
from the first ride. Never again.

Greg

--
"Destroy your safe and happy lives before it is too late, the battles we fought were long and hard,
just not to be consumed by rock n' roll..." - The Mekons

spademan o---) * said:

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That's just marketing [censored]. The X618 weighs the same as an F519 but the X618 is much stronger.
They're just trying to market the F519 as a freeride rim so they come up with stupid tables
showing how much weight an F519 is SUPPOSED to handle.

Greg

Greg, serious question, what info do you have that the 618 is stronger? I am looking to buy a new
wheel and was trying to compare them, it seems the 519 has a wider profile?

The 618 is double-eyeleted, one of the few Mavics that still are. You can tension the spokes much
tighter with these without worry of cracking and pull through of the single-eyeleted rims. There's
actually no reason to buy a 519 since the 618 exists.

Greg

--
"Destroy your safe and happy lives before it is too late, the battles we fought were long and hard,
just not to be consumed by rock n' roll..." - The Mekons

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"(Pete Cresswell)" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

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>I was wondering which I should look into getting, the 519 or 517 rim from mavic.
>
>I am riding XC

I'm about 210#.

I've broken one frame, but my Mavic 517's haven't given me any trouble. Yet...
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PeteCresswell

Maybe I'm just a lightweight, too, (185#) but my handbuilt 517's on my SS have never shown signs
of wear or weakness, and I've been thrashing them pretty good for 3 years. Maybe it's the lack
of urban huckness that keeps them young...

At 210# my rear 517 split along the spoke holes and both rims showed stress around the spoke holes
from the first ride. Never again.

Greg

yeah, I've heard of that happening. Maybe I'm just lucky, or my number's not up yet. How much of
your experience can you attribute to the spokes, the nipples, and the builder of the wheel? My
wheelbuilder is really super good and builds wheels for pros all over the world, and I've never had
a problem. The only one to compare to his hand-built 517's are the Mavic Cross-something I bought
new on ebay.

Paladin

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At 210# my rear 517 split along the spoke holes and both rims showed stress around the spoke holes
from the first ride. Never again.

What did your repace it with?
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PeteCresswell

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"(Pete Cresswell)" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

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>>I was wondering which I should look into getting, the 519 or 517 rim from mavic.
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>>I am riding XC
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>I'm about 210#.
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>I've broken one frame, but my Mavic 517's haven't given me any trouble. Yet...
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>PeteCresswell

Maybe I'm just a lightweight, too, (185#) but my handbuilt 517's on my SS have never shown signs
of wear or weakness, and I've been thrashing them pretty good for 3 years. Maybe it's the lack of
urban huckness that keeps them young...

At 210# my rear 517 split along the spoke holes and both rims showed stress around the spoke holes
from the first ride. Never again.

Greg

yeah, I've heard of that happening. Maybe I'm just lucky, or my number's not up yet. How much of
your experience can you attribute to the spokes, the nipples, and the builder of the wheel?

Zero. I build my own wheels and my 618s are flawless.

The only thing saving you is the 25#, lower tire pressures probably keep you from splitting along
the spoke holes (don't know what pressures Pete C is running but I run 2.1" size tires pretty hight
to avoid pinch flats). And/or you could have rims from a better batch. Undertensioning 517s
prevents cracking around the spoke holes but undertensioning them isn't good for a clydesdale in
the long run.

Greg
--
"Destroy your safe and happy lives before it is too late, the battles we fought were long and hard,
just not to be consumed by rock n' roll..." - The Mekons

(Pete Cresswell) said:

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At 210# my rear 517 split along the spoke holes and both rims showed stress around the spoke holes
from the first ride. Never again.

What did your repace it with?

The only appropriate double-eyeleted rim I could find: 618.

Greg
--
"Destroy your safe and happy lives before it is too late, the battles we fought were long and hard,
just not to be consumed by rock n' roll..." - The Mekons

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"G.T." <[email hidden]> wrote ...

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At 210# my rear 517 split along the spoke holes and both rims showed stress around the spoke
holes from the first ride. Never again.

yeah, I've heard of that happening. Maybe I'm just lucky, or my number's not up yet. How much of
your experience can you attribute to the spokes, the nipples, and the builder of the wheel? My
wheelbuilder is really super good and builds wheels for pros all over the world, and I've never had
a problem. The only one to compare to his hand-built 517's are the Mavic Cross-something I bought
new on ebay.

My guess is that GT runs black anodized rims (being the fashion plate he is), and that you don't
(being the pragmatist you are). The difference in failure rate (of the spoke pull-through mode) is
very significant.

Mark Hickey Habanero Cycles habcycles.comhabcycles.comOpen ↗ Home of the $695 ti frame

Mark Hickey said:

(Paladin) said:

"G.T." <[email hidden]> wrote ...

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Quoted message said:

At 210# my rear 517 split along the spoke holes and both rims showed stress around the spoke
holes from the first ride. Never again.

yeah, I've heard of that happening. Maybe I'm just lucky, or my number's not up yet. How much of
your experience can you attribute to the spokes, the nipples, and the builder of the wheel? My
wheelbuilder is really super good and builds wheels for pros all over the world, and I've never
had a problem. The only one to compare to his hand-built 517's are the Mavic Cross-something I
bought new on ebay.

My guess is that GT runs black anodized rims (being the fashion plate he is), and that you don't
(being the pragmatist you are). The difference in failure rate (of the spoke pull-through mode) is
very significant.

Mark Hickey Habanero Cycles habcycles.comhabcycles.comOpen ↗ Home of the $695 ti frame

Correct me if I'm wrong, but aren't the silver Mavic rims just grey/silver anodized instead of black
anodized? When I cracked my Silver 517, it was at a spoke hole, which was somewhat offset from the
point of impact and dent.

Jon Bond

Mark Hickey said:

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"G.T." <[email hidden]> wrote ...

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

At 210# my rear 517 split along the spoke holes and both rims showed stress around the spoke
holes from the first ride. Never again.

yeah, I've heard of that happening. Maybe I'm just lucky, or my number's not up yet. How much of
your experience can you attribute to the spokes, the nipples, and the builder of the wheel? My
wheelbuilder is really super good and builds wheels for pros all over the world, and I've never
had a problem. The only one to compare to his hand-built 517's are the Mavic Cross-something I
bought new on ebay.

My guess is that GT runs black anodized rims (being the fashion plate he is), and that you don't
(being the pragmatist you are). The difference in failure rate (of the spoke pull-through mode) is
very significant.

Nope, I haven't run dark anodized rims since my Araya RM-20s back in the
80s. But I heard that all Mavic rims are now anodized even if it's just silver? Is that
not the case?

Greg
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"Destroy your safe and happy lives before it is too late, the battles we fought were long and hard,
just not to be consumed by rock n' roll..." - The Mekons

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>RE/
>
>>I was wondering which I should look into getting, the 519 or 517 rim from mavic.
>>
>>I am riding XC
>
>I'm about 210#.
>
>I've broken one frame, but my Mavic 517's haven't given me any trouble. Yet...
>-----------------------
>PeteCresswell

Maybe I'm just a lightweight, too, (185#) but my handbuilt 517's on my SS have never shown
signs of wear or weakness, and I've been thrashing them pretty good for 3 years. Maybe it's
the lack of urban huckness that keeps them young...

At 210# my rear 517 split along the spoke holes and both rims showed stress around the spoke
holes from the first ride. Never again.

Greg

yeah, I've heard of that happening. Maybe I'm just lucky, or my number's not up yet. How much of
your experience can you attribute to the spokes, the nipples, and the builder of the wheel? My
wheelbuilder is really super good and builds wheels for pros all over the world, and I've never
had a problem. The only one to compare to his hand-built 517's are the Mavic Cross-something I
bought new on ebay.

Keep an eye on the material next to those grommets. I decimated a set of really well built 517s in 6
months on the Ritchie Blackmore.

JD