Mavic 10 sp cassette conundrum

Quoted post said:

Originally posted by Bike Writer
The bike I just bought came with this:

excelsports.comnew.aspOpen ↗
tte+Kit+10+Cogs&vendorCode=MAVIC&major=1&minor=10

Am I to assume it only fits Mavic wheels??? I wanted to run
a set of Velomax clinchers, too, but I'd like
validation/verification/proof that I'm about to get a big
surprise, and probably end up buying a Wheels MFG 10 cogset
for the Velomax (or whatever I buy that is not Mavic M or CC
hubbed) to run with my Chorus 10 group.

Couldn't access your link, but a Mavic cassette will work on a Campanolo freewheel body.

Quoted post said:

Originally posted by Bike Writer
The bike I just bought came with this:

excelsports.comnew.aspOpen ↗
tte+Kit+10+Cogs&vendorCode=MAVIC&major=1&minor=10

Am I to assume it only fits Mavic wheels??? I wanted to run
a set of Velomax clinchers, too, but I'd like
validation/verification/proof that I'm about to get a big
surprise, and probably end up buying a Wheels MFG 10 cogset
for the Velomax (or whatever I buy that is not Mavic M or CC
hubbed) to run with my Chorus 10 group.

Dear Bike Writer,

Others may have more luck seeing what you
have in mind if you run the 108 character
address through www.tinyurl.com like this:

http://tinyurl.com/2debm

Unfortunately, some newsreaders goof up
the ever-longer url's.

Carl Fogel

carlfogel said:

Bike Writer said:

The bike I just bought came with this:/www.excelsports.com/new.asp?page=8&description=Casse-
/www.excelsports.com/new.asp?page=8&description=Casse-
tte+Kit+10+Cogs&vendorCode=MAVIC&major=1&minor=10 Am I
to assume it only fits Mavic wheels??? I wanted to run
a set of Velomax clinchers, too, but I'd like
validation/verification/proof that I'm about to get a
big surprise, and probably end up buying a Wheels MFG
10 cogset for the Velomax (or whatever I buy that is
not Mavic M or CC hubbed) to run with my Chorus 10
group.

Dear Bike Writer,

Others may have more luck seeing what you have in mind if
you run the 108 character address through www.tinyurl.com
like this:

tinyurl.com2debmOpen ↗

Unfortunately, some newsreaders goof up the ever-
longer url's.

Carl Fogel

--

I disagree. Sometimes when you click on those "encrypted"
(?) hyperlinks you get unpleasant surprises. I'd rather see
the whole link in its original form before clicking on it. I
think that if a newsreader has trouble with parsing some
hyperlinks, then that person better think about getting a
new news reader.

Kenny Lee

Quoted post said:

Originally posted by Kenny Lee

Bcarlfogel said:

Bike Writer said:

The bike I just bought came with this:/www.excelsports.com/new.asp?page=8&description=Casse-
/www.excelsports.com/new.asp?page=8&description=Casse-
tte+Kit+10+Cogs&vendorCode=MAVIC&major=1&minor=10 Am I
to assume it only fits Mavic wheels??? I wanted to run
a set of Velomax clinchers, too, but I'd like
validation/verification/proof that I'm about to get a
big surprise, and probably end up buying a Wheels MFG
10 cogset for the Velomax (or whatever I buy that is
not Mavic M or CC hubbed) to run with my Chorus 10
group.

Dear Bike Writer,

Others may have more luck seeing what you have in mind if
you run the 108 character address through www.tinyurl.com
like this:

tinyurl.com2debmOpen ↗

Unfortunately, some newsreaders goof up the ever-
longer url's.

Carl Fogel

--

I disagree. Sometimes when you click on those "encrypted"
(?) hyperlinks you get unpleasant surprises. I'd rather see
the whole link in its original form before clicking on it. I
think that if a newsreader has trouble with parsing some
hyperlinks, then that person better think about getting a
new news reader.

Kenny Lee [/B]

Dear Kenny,

Life is mostly sorrow, but I doubt that it's quite
that bad. If you dislike something that you see,
you're always free to click the close button.

In any case, if you re-read my post, I think that
you'll agree that I merely said that others may
have more luck seeing what the original poster
has in mind if he runs the url through www.tinyurl.com.

I'm no model of consistency, but lately I try to include
both a long original and the tiny version. Telling other
people how to format what they write is somehow
distasteful to me after years of pestering innocent
college freshmen, but when url's reach the increasingly
absurd lengths that we now see, the problem goes
beyond formatting to incomprehensibility--as the
first reply mentioned.

Carl Fogel

bikewriter-<< Am I to assume it only fits Mavic wheels???

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

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Yes as the Mavic freehub body is taller. So it you cannot
get all 10 cogs onto a more normal and shorter shimano
compatible casette body, like the Velomax

Peter Chisholm Vecchio's Bicicletteria 1833 Pearl St.
Boulder, CO, 80302
(303)440-3535 vecchios.comvecchios.comOpen ↗ "Ruote convenzionali
costruite eccezionalmente bene"

carlfogel said:

Quoted message said:

I disagree. Sometimes when you click on those
"encrypted" (?) hyperlinks you get unpleasant
surprises. I'd rather see the whole link in its
Kenny Lee

Life is mostly sorrow, but I doubt that it's quite that
bad. If you dislike something that you see, you're always
free to click the close button.

That's fine for an shortened groups.google.com link, but you
certainly don't want an shortened tubgirl.com link. Nobody
wants to see that, and many could get in trouble if they get
caught seeing that, no matter how quickly they close it.

Posting both versions of a link works well; good for the
archives, too, in case the URL-shortening service dies
prematurely.
--
Rick Onanian

[email hidden] (Qui si parla Campagnolo ) wrote in
message

Quoted message said:

Yes as the Mavic freehub body is taller. So it you cannot
get all 10 cogs onto a more normal and shorter shimano
compatible casette body, like the Velomax

Okay, I almost have this figured out. I tried slipping the
Mavic 10 on a friend's older Campag Proton with a Shimano
freehub. Didn't fit. Then I was told it'd fit an American
Classic freehub. Anyone know if this is true? I know it'll
slip on, as it did with the Proton, but will I run out of
room with the newer AC hub?

Please,

I'm in the process of writing a book on "Physics and the
Bicycle". It is aimed at young people and will help them
to understand some aspects of physics (or engineering)
and science.

Over the years I have come to realise that the bicycle is a
rich source of material for illustrating physical phenomena:

levers, gears, expanding and compressing gases,
centrifugal forces, gyroscopic forces, electric
circuits, dynamos, energy, loses, lubrication, ....

I feel that young people will find this sort of reading
relevant and useful.

I would like to hear from anyone who has thought about this
and who might have specific ideas, or experiments, they
would like to share.

Or, perhaps there is a book like this already on the market
? Are there any books specifically on bicycle technology ?

--
Joe Mc Cool

joe mc cool <[email hidden]> wrote in news:c4unlo$ptl$1$8302bc10
@news.demon.co.uk:

Quoted message said:

I'm in the process of writing a book on "Physics and the
Bicycle". It is aimed at young people and will help them
to understand some aspects of physics (or engineering) and
science.

A couple of popular books in this area are *Bicycle Science*
by Wilson and *High-Tech Cycling* by Burke. Some of the
science in these books is fairly advanced (e.g.,
aerodynamics and biomechanics), but engineering students
shoudn't have trouble with the material. The Wilson book is
more hard core (science-wise) than the Burke book.

On Tue, 06 Apr 2004 18:45:42 +0100, joe mc cool <[email hidden]> wrote:

<Please, < <I'm in the process of writing a book on "Physics
and the Bicycle". <It is aimed at young people and will help
them to understand some <aspects of physics (or engineering)
and science. < <Over the years I have come to realise that
the bicycle is a rich <source of material for illustrating
physical phenomena: < < levers, gears, expanding and
compressing gases, centrifugal < forces, gyroscopic forces,
electric circuits, dynamos, < energy, loses, lubrication, <
.... < <I feel that young people will find this sort of
reading relevant and <useful. < <I would like to hear from
anyone who has thought about this and who <might have
specific ideas, or experiments, they would like to share.

Already been [well] written - The Bicycle Wheel by Jobst
Brandt And although I read it at age 40+, I believe it's
appropriate for teens.

<Or, perhaps there is a book like this already on the market
? Are <there any books specifically on bicycle technology ?

William Holiday said:

Already been [well] written - The Bicycle Wheel by Jobst
Brandt And although I read it at age 40+, I believe it's
appropriate for teens.

Not taking anything away from Jobst's book, but it covers
only wheels. It doesn't say anything about the steering or
balancing of bicycles, or about gearing, and almost nothing
about lubrication.

I would suggest an old but fascinating book: Archibald
Sharpe's
treatise on bicycles and other wheeled things, from a
century ago.

--
Ted Bennett Portland OR

joe mc cool said:

Please,

I'm in the process of writing a book on "Physics and the
Bicycle". It is aimed at young people and will help them
to understand some aspects of physics (or engineering) and
science.

-snip- I developed and taught a bicycle service class for 28
years with many analogies and examples from other simple
machines to explain bicycles to the novice. And I'm
interested. Write me please.

--
Andrew Muzi www.yellowjersey.org Open every day since 1
April, 1971

Joe Mc Cool who? said:

I'm in the process of writing a book on "Physics and the
Bicycle". It is aimed at young people and will help them
to understand some aspects of physics (or engineering) and
science.

Quoted message said:

Over the years I have come to realise that the bicycle is
a rich source of material for illustrating physical
phenomena:

Quoted message said:

levers, gears, expanding and compressing gases,
centrifugal forces, gyroscopic forces, electric
circuits, dynamos, energy, loses, lubrication,
....

Quoted message said:

I feel that young people will find this sort of reading
relevant and useful.

I think you are getting off on the wrong foot at the
outset. Don't condescend to writing for "young people".
If it is worth reading don't exclude the largest part of
your audience.

Quoted message said:

I would like to hear from anyone who has thought about
this and who might have specific ideas, or experiments,
they would like to share.

You may have missed the principal requirement of such a text
or for that matter any endeavor. First find out what others
have done in the field, how they did it and what you foresee
as your contribution.

Quoted message said:

Or, perhaps there is a book like this already on the
market? Are there any books specifically on bicycle
technology?

You might look in the FAQ for a lot of this information. As
you see, its location is listed in this newsgroup monthly.

I don't give your endeavor much anticipation. If you aren't
any surer of your subject than what you present here, it
could be tough sledding.

Jobst Brandt [email hidden]

Quoted post said:

Originally posted by Jobst Brandt

BJoe Mc Cool who? said:

I'm in the process of writing a book on "Physics and the
Bicycle". It is aimed at young people and will help them
to understand some aspects of physics (or engineering) and
science.

Quoted message said:

Over the years I have come to realise that the bicycle is
a rich source of material for illustrating physical
phenomena:

Quoted message said:

levers, gears, expanding and compressing gases,
centrifugal forces, gyroscopic forces, electric
circuits, dynamos, energy, loses, lubrication,
....

Quoted message said:

I feel that young people will find this sort of reading
relevant and useful.

I think you are getting off on the wrong foot at the
outset. Don't condescend to writing for "young people".
If it is worth reading don't exclude the largest part of
your audience.

Quoted message said:

I would like to hear from anyone who has thought about
this and who might have specific ideas, or experiments,
they would like to share.

You may have missed the principal requirement of such a text
or for that matter any endeavor. First find out what others
have done in the field, how they did it and what you foresee
as your contribution.

Quoted message said:

Or, perhaps there is a book like this already on the
market? Are there any books specifically on bicycle
technology?

You might look in the FAQ for a lot of this information. As
you see, its location is listed in this newsgroup monthly.

I don't give your endeavor much anticipation. If you aren't
any surer of your subject than what you present here, it
could be tough sledding.

Jobst Brandt [email hidden] [/B]

Dear Jobst,

What book do you recommend for young people
interested in the physics of bicycles?

Carl Fogel

Carl Fogel said:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

I'm in the process of writing a book on "Physics and the
Bicycle". It is aimed at young people and will help them
to understand some aspects of physics (or engineering)
and science.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Over the years I have come to realise that the bicycle
is a rich source of material for illustrating physical
phenomena: levers, gears, expanding and compressing
gases, centrifugal forces, gyroscopic forces, electric
circuits, dynamos, energy, loses, lubrication, ...

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

I feel that young people will find this sort of reading
relevant and useful.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

I think you are getting off on the wrong foot at the
outset. Don't condescend to writing for "young people".
If it is worth reading don't exclude the largest part of
your audience.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

I would like to hear from anyone who has thought about
this and who might have specific ideas, or experiments,
they would like to share.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

You may have missed the principal requirement of such a
text or for that matter any endeavor. First find out what
others have done in the field, how they did it and what
you foresee as your contribution.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Or, perhaps there is a book like this already on the
market? Are there any books specifically on bicycle
technology?

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

You might look in the FAQ for a lot of this information.
As you see, its location is listed in this newsgroup
monthly.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

I don't give your endeavor much anticipation. If you
aren't any surer of your subject than what you present
here, it could be tough sledding.

Quoted message said:

What book do you recommend for young people interested in
the physics of bicycles?

I'm not sure what you see as "physics of bicycles" but the
mechanical aspects are no different from machinery in
general. At intervals, articles on how a rider keeps a
bicycle upright appear, usually written by someone unclear
on the subject or they wouldn't write about
it.

I believe the interaction between man and machine clouds the
issue greatly so that all sorts of almost religious beliefs
are bandied about placing all the weaknesses of the system
on the machine rather than the rider.

What is it that needs more explanation than has been
available for a long while and how does Mr. anonymous plan
to do this?

... and will he publish anonymously?

Jobst Brandt [email hidden]

mr cool (do you have a real name or will your book also
be unknown?)

it's already been written: Introduction to Engineering
Materials: The Bicycle and the Walkman, 1992, McMahon &
Graham.

Bruce

Quoted post said:

Originally posted by Jobst Brandt

BCarl Fogel said:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

I'm in the process of writing a book on "Physics and the
Bicycle". It is aimed at young people and will help them
to understand some aspects of physics (or engineering)
and science.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Over the years I have come to realise that the bicycle
is a rich source of material for illustrating physical
phenomena: levers, gears, expanding and compressing
gases, centrifugal forces, gyroscopic forces, electric
circuits, dynamos, energy, loses, lubrication, ...

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

I feel that young people will find this sort of reading
relevant and useful.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

I think you are getting off on the wrong foot at the
outset. Don't condescend to writing for "young people".
If it is worth reading don't exclude the largest part of
your audience.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

I would like to hear from anyone who has thought about
this and who might have specific ideas, or experiments,
they would like to share.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

You may have missed the principal requirement of such a
text or for that matter any endeavor. First find out what
others have done in the field, how they did it and what
you foresee as your contribution.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Or, perhaps there is a book like this already on the
market? Are there any books specifically on bicycle
technology?

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

You might look in the FAQ for a lot of this information.
As you see, its location is listed in this newsgroup
monthly.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

I don't give your endeavor much anticipation. If you
aren't any surer of your subject than what you present
here, it could be tough sledding.

Quoted message said:

What book do you recommend for young people interested in
the physics of bicycles?

I'm not sure what you see as "physics of bicycles" but the
mechanical aspects are no different from machinery in
general. At intervals, articles on how a rider keeps a
bicycle upright appear, usually written by someone unclear
on the subject or they wouldn't write about
it.

I believe the interaction between man and machine clouds the
issue greatly so that all sorts of almost religious beliefs
are bandied about placing all the weaknesses of the system
on the machine rather than the rider.

What is it that needs more explanation than has been
available for a long while and how does Mr. anonymous plan
to do this?

... and will he publish anonymously?

Jobst Brandt [email hidden] [/B]

Dear Jobst,

I'll try again.

What book do you recommend for young people
interested in the physics of bicycles?

Carl Fogel

Carl Fogel said:

What book do you recommend for young people interested in
the physics of bicycles?

I don't know any such books. I leafed through Whitt and
Wilson and found old wives tales, weird bicycles and
obscuring jargon. I didn't find much physics or generic
analyses, such as what causes tire rolling resistance and
why such drag curves change with inflation pressure as
they do, etc.

Would you explain what you would like to see under the title
"Physics of Bicycles"?

Jobst Brandt [email hidden]

carlfogel said:

Dear Jobst,

I'll try again.

What book do you recommend for young people interested in
the physics of bicycles?

A search for "bicycle science" on amazon brought up plenty
of candidates, although I would not be surprised to find
them all having some faults.

James