Maverick: More efficient climbing than stable-platform?

(Pete Cresswell) said:

Compared to my Ellsworty/Romic coilover, it *feels*
more efficient...more like my hard tail than and
FS....but is it?

Seems like if it were, it would be the sus of choice for
unsponsored racers...or does on-the-fly lockout fill
that niche?

It's a gimmic URT, most people can see through the
marketing.

Greg

--
Destroy your safe and happy lives Before it is too late The
battles we fought were long and hard Just not to be consumed
by rock'n'roll

G.T. said:

(Pete Cresswell) said:

Compared to my Ellsworty/Romic coilover, it *feels*
more efficient...more like my hard tail than and
FS....but is it?

Seems like if it were, it would be the sus of choice for
unsponsored racers...or does on-the-fly lockout fill
that niche?

It's a gimmic URT, most people can see through the
marketing.

Greg

Greg, I was surprised you skipped over Monique's whole
thread about considering buying a Palomino. Nice
vacation? ;-)

Pete, a lot's been posted on a.m-b about Maverick
suspension. Google my name or G.T. to find many of the
threads (I like mine, Greg's not impressed, but I'm sure you
figured that out. :-) )

Shawn

On 2004-06-28, Shawn Curry penned:

Quoted message said:

G.T. said:

It's a gimmic URT, most people can see through the
marketing.

Greg

Greg, I was surprised you skipped over Monique's whole
thread about considering buying a Palomino. Nice
vacation? ;-)

I was wondering about that, too, after I read his post
above.

--
monique

RE/

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It's a gimmic URT, most people can see through the
marketing.

Having put about six hours in on one over the weekend, I can
say that it's definately not a gimmick.

My understanding is that a URT stops working when you get
out of the saddle; this thing is there and working when
you're 100% on the saddle, 100% off, and everywhere in-
between. And it *feels* very much like my hardtail when I
come into a hill spinning and then jump up 4 gears and stand
on it...very tight.

Dunno if it's any more efficient than my Isis/Romic...but it
sure feels a lot tighter and smooths out the bumps every bit
as well....maybe even better on those stutter bumps where
the ground is frozen or dried-out lumpy clay.
--
PeteCresswell

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Pete, a lot's been posted on a.m-b about Maverick
suspension. Google my name or G.T. to find many of the
threads (I like mine, Greg's not impressed, but I'm sure
you figured that out. :-) )

Just got done Googling said threads.

Now I've got to come out of the closet and confess to
getting one too.

My basis of comparison is my Ellsworth Isis/Romic shock
that I hope to A/B it with as soon as I get my other rear
wheel fixed.

Frankly I like it. Maybe my Ellsworth was coming up on pivot
bearing replacement time or something...but this thing feels
*tight* compared.

It's also a lot easier to track stand on and to do the
thing where you lean forward and swing the tail around -
not that I can actually *do* it...but my attempts feel a
lot more secure.

I also like the hard-tail feel when getting out of the
saddle on a hill.

If somebody put electrodes in the pleasure center of my
brain and recorded outputs while riding the two bikes I
don't think there'd be *that* much of a diff because each
bike has it's own characteristics....but I *do* like the
Maverick sus....
--
PeteCresswell

(Pete Cresswell) said:

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Quoted message said:

It's a gimmic URT, most people can see through the
marketing.

Having put about six hours in on one over the weekend, I
can say that it's definately not a gimmick.

My understanding is that a URT stops working when you get
out of the saddle; this thing is there and working when
you're 100% on the saddle, 100% off, and everywhere in-
between. And it *feels* very much like my hardtail when I
come into a hill spinning and then jump up 4 gears and
stand on it...very tight.

Ummm, you're contradicting yourself there.

Greg

--
Destroy your safe and happy lives Before it is too late The
battles we fought were long and hard Just not to be consumed
by rock'n'roll

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RE/

Now I've got to come out of the closet and confess to
getting one too.

What fork did you put on the front?

What about the rest?

If you went full xtr with a Reba you could have the makings
of a full house thread because a Maverick has to have
discs, right? When the energy runs out of those 4 topics
you could mention that you have bar ends and get another
week out of it!

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Quoted message said:

My understanding is that a URT stops working when you
get out of the saddle; this thing is there and working
when you're 100% on the saddle, 100% off, and everywhere
in-between. And it *feels* very much like my hardtail
when I come into a hill spinning and then jump up 4
gears and stand on it...very tight.

Ummm, you're contradicting yourself there.

Yes, I agree - poorly written.

What I should add is that the sus still works when going
over bumps out of the saddle. It also feels more bob-free
when I'm trying to spin up a hill compared to my
Ellsworth/Romic. "Trying" because I have a really lousey
spin...sort of "square"... If really concentrate and pedal
round strokes on the Ellsworth, there's hardly any bob
(evidenced by looking at the shock)...but when I revert to
my usual, it bobs noticibly....OTOH, the Maverick linkage
doesn't appear to bob. It must bob a little, though, because
the squareness of my pedal stroke gets mitigated....not
completely but somewhat.

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What fork did you put on the front?

What about the rest?

I did a boltover from my hardtail.

Managed to get the total weight up to 33 pounds - same as my
Ellsworth.

Definately a one-off:

- Rohloff hub (2 additional pounds)
- Marzocchi Pro ETA fork
- Haro magnesium BMX pedals (probably another 6oz min
over clipless)
- 180mm Hope C2 on the front
- 160mm Avid mech on the back
- WTB Mutano Raptors (another pound?)

I tried running the FitKit specs and, indeed, they are
clearly more efficient when climbing or pedaling on the
level...but too hard on my neck after a couple hours and too
unstable-feeling on steep descents... so right now I've got
the bars up 2cm and back an inch from FitKit. I'm thinking
about going back another inch, back down to spec, and then
using bar ends for climbing and/or level ground.
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PeteCresswell

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Definately a one-off:

Awesome. Let everyone else follow.

I was interested to hear how the bike handled bob because, I
think, the 04 has a new shock.

Glad you got the bike for you.

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I was interested to hear how the bike handled bob because,
I think, the 04 has a new shock.

The dealer said something about this being the
"deluxe" shock.

If 'bob' means unwanted sus movement while pedaling; I'd say
that bob is less than 1/5th of my Ellsworth
Isis/Romic....maybe even less...I'm tempted to say zero, but
I know there has to be some because my square pedaling style
gets smoothed off somewhat compared to on my hard tail.

If 'bob' means how well or poorly it stays hooked up when
going over rough ground under power, I haven't really given
it a workout yet.

PeteCresswell said:

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My understanding is that a URT stops working when you
get out of the saddle; this thing is there and working
when you're 100% on the saddle, 100% off, and
everywhere in-between. And it *feels* very much like my
hardtail when I come into a hill spinning and then jump
up 4 gears and stand on it...very tight.

Ummm, you're contradicting yourself there.

Yes, I agree - poorly written.

What I should add is that the sus still works when going
over bumps out of the saddle. It also feels more bob-free
when I'm trying to spin up a hill compared to my
Ellsworth/Romic. "Trying" because I have a really lousey
spin...sort of "square"... If really concentrate and pedal
round strokes on the Ellsworth, there's hardly any bob
(evidenced by looking at the shock)...but when I revert to
my usual, it bobs noticibly....OTOH, the Maverick linkage
doesn't appear to bob. It must bob a little, though,
because the squareness of my pedal stroke gets
mitigated....not completely but somewhat.

Those Mavericks look chill...wouldn't mind trying one out,
but I don't think I'm down for a $2k frame.

G

Quoted message said:

Those Mavericks look chill...wouldn't mind trying one out,
but I don't think I'm down for a $2k frame.

If my wife ever finds out, I'm dead meat.