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  1. Has anyone ever come across the concept of "maturing" tires i.e. leaving them for a period of time
    before using them - the idea being that they are less susceptible to punctures and cuts.

    The reason why I ask this is that at the start of the year I put on an new pair of Continenal Grand
    Prix foldable tires (which are no longer manufactured) on my bike. The tires had been in storage in
    my shed for about 6 years - yes 6 years.

    I have riden in excess of 2000 mile on these tires and have yet to get a single puncture. Although
    slight thread pattern is now worn they still have no cuts or nicks.

    I run the tires at 90-100 psi but ride quite hard over roughish country roads. Admittedly I dont use
    this bike/tires in the rain but this is the absolute longest I have ever gone without a puncture
    (used to average one every 6 weeks). Is this down to the maturing/aging of the rubber compound (any
    scientific/engineering explanation to back this up) or just plain luck ?

    Regards R

  2. Probably the latter, but perhaps as the rubber becomes more brittle it resists picking up glass and
    other objects that could work their way in. FWIW, you'll get a corresponding increase in rolling
    resistance as well.

    "Rik O'Shea" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    I run the tires at 90-100 psi but ride quite hard over roughish country roads. Admittedly I dont
    use this bike/tires in the rain but this is the absolute longest I have ever gone without a
    puncture (used to average one every 6 weeks). Is this down to the maturing/aging of the rubber
    compound (any scientific/engineering explanation to back this up) or just plain luck ?

    Regards R

  3. Rik O'Shea said:

    Has anyone ever come across the concept of "maturing" tires i.e. leaving them for a period of time
    before using them - the idea being that they are less susceptible to punctures and cuts.

    The reason why I ask this is that at the start of the year I put on an new pair of Continenal
    Grand Prix foldable tires (which are no longer manufactured) on my bike. The tires had been in
    storage in my shed for about 6 years - yes 6 years.

    I have riden in excess of 2000 mile on these tires and have yet to get a single puncture. Although
    slight thread pattern is now worn they still have no cuts or nicks.

    I run the tires at 90-100 psi but ride quite hard over roughish country roads. Admittedly I dont
    use this bike/tires in the rain but this is the absolute longest I have ever gone without a
    puncture (used to average one every 6 weeks). Is this down to the maturing/aging of the rubber
    compound (any scientific/engineering explanation to back this up) or just plain luck ?

    Regards R

    I read an interview/article with a head mechanic (Julien de Vriese?) who has a "tire celler" just
    like a wine cellar. He ages them there until they're at their best.

  4. Rik O'Shea said:

    Has anyone ever come across the concept of "maturing" tires i.e. leaving them for a period of time
    before using them - the idea being that they are less susceptible to punctures and cuts.

    I've heard of it, but don't put much stock in the idea. Another cycling myth.

    Art Harris

  5. In article said:

    Has anyone ever come across the concept of "maturing" tires i.e. leaving them for a period of time
    before using them - the idea being that they are less susceptible to punctures and cuts.

    I know people did this with hand-made tubulars, but my understanding is that vulcanized rubber tires
    do not benefit from aging in any way. So if you're talking about a pair of Criterium Setas, you may
    have a point. Otherwise just buy new tires when you need them.

    Keep in mind that the manufacturer of a tire can create a product with any desired hardness of
    rubber (without extra aging) and if harder tires worked better they would probably be for sale.

    --Paul

  6. [email hidden] (Rik O'Shea) wrote in message
    news:<[email hidden]>...

    Quoted message said:

    Has anyone ever come across the concept of "maturing" tires i.e. leaving them for a period of time
    before using them - the idea being that they are less susceptible to punctures and cuts.

    The reason why I ask this is that at the start of the year I put on an new pair of Continenal
    Grand Prix foldable tires (which are no longer manufactured) on my bike. The tires had been in
    storage in my shed for about 6 years - yes 6 years.

    I have riden in excess of 2000 mile on these tires and have yet to get a single puncture. Although
    slight thread pattern is now worn they still have no cuts or nicks.

    I run the tires at 90-100 psi but ride quite hard over roughish country roads. Admittedly I dont
    use this bike/tires in the rain but this is the absolute longest I have ever gone without a
    puncture (used to average one every 6 weeks). Is this down to the maturing/aging of the rubber
    compound (any scientific/engineering explanation to back this up) or just plain luck ?

    Regards R

    Dear Rik,

    I suspect that your undamaged tires are just plain luck, which accounts for a depressing number of
    our unusual successes. The wind, for example, matters more on a typical ride than most of our
    efforts to improve through technology.

    Tire rubber typically hardens and even cracks with age, but it's unlikely that your tires hardened
    to the point of invincibility. If your tires had indeed become significantly stiff, then you'd
    probably be complaining about a harsh ride and frequent skidding.

    To paraphrase an explanatory note from an old BikePro catalogue (not, perhaps, the most respected
    authority), the chief causes of rubber degradation are exposure to heat, sunlight, oxygen, and
    ozone, whose effects are all delayed by various chemicals added to the tires. If we're lucky, more
    knowledgeable posters will add interesting details (or correct my ignorance).

    Car and motorcycle racers often baked tires (and may still do so) in hopes of improving traction,
    but I don't remember anyone artificially aging tires in hopes of avoiding flats. The racers thought
    that heat would "soften" the rubber for better traction, while the engineers predicted that further
    heating would only degrade the rubber. Again, more knowledgeable posters may have much to say.

    I imagine that you just happened to have a literal run of good luck that left these old tires
    undamaged. They might also have been tougher, longer-wearing tires when manufactured.

    In any case, the only obvious mode for aging to protect your tires from damage would be to
    toughen and harden the rubber, which would reduce your traction. Overall, your tires were
    probably better when new.

    Whatever the cause, let's hope that your good luck continues.

    Carl Fogel

  7. Rik O'Shea said:

    Has anyone ever come across the concept of "maturing" tires i.e. leaving them for a period of time
    before using them - the idea being that they are less susceptible to punctures and cuts.

    Quoted message said:

    The reason why I ask this is that at the start of the year I put on an new pair of Continental
    Grand Prix foldable tires (which are no longer manufactured) on my bike. The tires had been in
    storage in my shed for about 6 years - yes 6 years.

    Years? How many miles is that? This has all the earmarks of an... resuscitating old myth and lore of
    aging tires to not be used before their time.

    Quoted message said:

    I have ridden in excess of 2000 mile on these tires and have yet to get a single puncture.
    Although slight thread pattern is now worn they still have no cuts or nicks.

    Consider that I ride between 2000 and 2500 miles without raising my tire pump on trips in the Alps
    over mountains through cities and on steep trails with new 700-25c clinchers. Then I return home and
    ride them until they wear out, often without a flat.

    Quoted message said:

    I run the tires at 90-100 psi but ride quite hard over roughish country roads. Admittedly I don't
    use this bike/tires in the rain but this is the absolute longest I have ever gone without a
    puncture (used to average one every 6 weeks). Is this down to the maturing/aging of the rubber
    compound (any scientific/engineering explanation to back this up) or just plain luck ?

    You probably watch out where you place your wheel with respect to hazards.

    draco.acs.uci.edu8b.18.html

    Jobst Brandt [email hidden]

  8. Quoted message said:

    new pair of Continenal Grand Prix foldable tires (which are no longer

    I can't comment of the idea of aging fine tires, but I must say that the first Continental that I
    ever tried was the Grand Prix. Even by today's standards, this is a very nice tire.

    Dave

  9. Mark Atanovich said:

    Probably the latter, but perhaps as the rubber becomes more brittle it resists picking up glass
    and other objects that could work their way in. FWIW, you'll get a corresponding increase in
    rolling resistance as well.

    Glass is not picked up but rather penetrates and gets pushed in farther with successive wheel
    rotations. The sticky rubber scenario has appeal but it isn't worth considering. It doesn't play
    well but was a mainstay of tire wipers.

    draco.acs.uci.edu8b.15.html

    Jobst Brandt [email hidden]

  10. [email hidden] (Rik O'Shea) wrote in message
    news:<[email hidden]>...

    Quoted message said:

    Has anyone ever come across the concept of "maturing" tires i.e. leaving them for a period of time
    before using them - the idea being that they are less susceptible to punctures and cuts.

    Back in the "old days" when all was riding tubs, the pro mecanics stored the tubs for years, and the
    oldest was used for that very special race... Now, with most of the teams riding clinchers, I don't
    think it is so common anymore. I do have tubs that are more than six years old, stored in a dry,
    dark place.....

    Quoted message said:

    The reason why I ask this is that at the start of the year I put on an new pair of Continenal
    Grand Prix foldable tires (which are no longer manufactured) on my bike. The tires had been in
    storage in my shed for about 6 years - yes 6 years.

    Kept them out of the light - a god thing...

    Quoted message said:

    I have riden in excess of 2000 mile on these tires and have yet to get a single puncture. Although
    slight thread pattern is now worn they still have no cuts or nicks.

    I run the tires at 90-100 psi but ride quite hard over roughish country roads. Admittedly I dont
    use this bike/tires in the rain but this is the absolute longest I have ever gone without a
    puncture (used to average one every 6 weeks). Is this down to the maturing/aging of the rubber
    compound (any scientific/engineering explanation to back this up) or just plain luck ?

    Regards Ove Simonsen

  11. <quote who= [email hidden] />:

    Quoted message said:

    draco.acs.uci.edu8b.18.html

    Do you mean to tell me that steel frames don't eventually get soft??

    J

    --
    Justin F. Knotzke [email hidden] shampoo.cashampoo.ca "Let's go first class... the whole
    bag." - P.E.T

  12. [email hidden] (Art Harris) wrote in message
    news:<[email hidden]>...

    Quoted message said:
    Rik O'Shea said:

    Has anyone ever come across the concept of "maturing" tires i.e. leaving them for a period of
    time before using them - the idea being that they are less susceptible to punctures and cuts.

    I've heard of it, but don't put much stock in the idea.

    Why? Has anyone ever actually taken some fine Clement tires, aged them and then compared them
    scientifically with a brand new manufactured ones?

    Quoted message said:

    Another cycling myth.

    Sometimes is seems like the myth debunked has its own mythic characteristics.

    JP

  13. "Justin F. Knotzke" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    Do you mean to tell me that steel frames don't eventually get soft??

    J

    --
    Justin F. Knotzke [email hidden] shampoo.cashampoo.ca "Let's go first class... the whole
    bag." - P.E.T

    That's what he means to tell you. And he's right. And tires don't get any better with age. Do we see
    F1 teams storing warehouses of Michelins?? Of course not. They only degrade with age. The compound
    gets harder and more fragile and traction decreases. They might be harder and give insignificantly
    small advantages in rolling resistance, but that is more than offset by decreased traction. It's
    just a nonsensical myth.

    Cheers,

    Scott..

  14. [email hidden] (O. Simonsen) wrote in :"]news:[email hidden]:

    Quoted message said:

    [email hidden] (Rik O'Shea) wrote in message
    news:<[email hidden]>...

    Quoted message said:

    Has anyone ever come across the concept of "maturing" tires i.e. leaving them for a period of
    time before using them - the idea being that they are less susceptible to punctures and cuts.

    Back in the "old days" when all was riding tubs, the pro mecanics stored the tubs for years, and
    the oldest was used for that very special race... Now, with most of the teams riding clinchers, I
    don't think it is so common anymore. I do have tubs that are more than six years old, stored in a
    dry, dark place.....

    So... how is "clincher" rubber different from "tubular" rubber?

    -Owen

  15. Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Has anyone ever come across the concept of "maturing" tires i.e. leaving them for a period of time
    before using them - the idea being that they are less susceptible to punctures and cuts.

    Back in the "old days" when all was riding tubs, the pro mecanics stored the tubs for years, and
    the oldest was used for that very special race... Now, with most of the teams riding clinchers, I
    don't think it is so common anymore. I do have tubs that are more than six years old, stored in a
    dry, dark place.....

    yes, natural rubber continues to harden as it ages. harder = less rolling resistance = allegedly
    faster times.

    trouble is, rubber also oxidizes and cracks with age, so i don't recommend keeping them too long.
    when i raced tubulars, some of the guys kept theirs for 5-6 years as you say, but 2-3 years i
    think is safer.

    a lot of modern clinchers [& tubulars] have dual compound treads which achieve the desired effect of
    harder rubber on the center line for less rolling resistance, but softer grippier shoulders for
    cornering. personally, i think this is superior technology all ways round. and it also means you
    don't have several hundred dollars hanging up in the garage waiting to be used.

    jb

  16. Jim Beam said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Has anyone ever come across the concept of "maturing" tires i.e. leaving them for a period of
    time before using them - the idea being that they are less susceptible to punctures and cuts.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Back in the "old days" when all was riding tubs, the pro mecanics stored the tubs for years, and
    the oldest was used for that very special race... Now, with most of the teams riding clinchers, I
    don't think it is so common anymore. I do have tubs that are more than six years old, stored in a
    dry, dark place.....

    Quoted message said:

    yes, natural rubber continues to harden as it ages. harder = less rolling resistance = allegedly
    faster times.

    Not so. Rubber loses resiliency and has higher RR when aged, besides which it is full of cracks. The
    reason for this myth is the same as the steel frame getting soft one. It was a way of making sales
    when there was no demand, typically in winter.

    Quoted message said:

    Trouble is, rubber also oxidizes and cracks with age, so I don't recommend keeping them too long.
    When I raced tubulars, some of the guys kept theirs for 5-6 years as you say, but 2-3 years I
    think is safer.

    Quoted message said:

    A lot of modern clinchers [& tubulars] have dual compound treads which achieve the desired effect
    of harder rubber on the center line for less rolling resistance, but softer grippier shoulders for
    cornering. Personally, I think this is superior technology all ways round. And it also means you
    don't have several hundred dollars hanging up in the garage waiting to be used.

    Oh no! Not an endorsement for colored tires. Of course we will wait to see these oncars.

    Jobst Brandt [email hidden]

  17. i'm not interested in conjecture - just give me facts.

    are you saying rubber does /not/ continue to cross-link over time?

    jb

  18. [email hidden] wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

    Quoted message said:
    Jim Beam said:
    Quoted message said:

    > Has anyone ever come across the concept of "maturing" tires i.e. leaving them for a period of
    > time before using them - the idea being that they are less susceptible to punctures and cuts.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Back in the "old days" when all was riding tubs, the pro mecanics stored the tubs for years,
    and the oldest was used for that very special race... Now, with most of the teams riding
    clinchers, I don't think it is so common anymore. I do have tubs that are more than six years
    old, stored in a dry, dark place.....

    Quoted message said:

    yes, natural rubber continues to harden as it ages. harder = less rolling resistance = allegedly
    faster times.

    Not so. Rubber loses resiliency and has higher RR when aged, besides which it is full of cracks.
    The reason for this myth is the same as the steel frame getting soft one. It was a way of making
    sales when there was no demand, typically in winter.

    Quoted message said:

    Trouble is, rubber also oxidizes and cracks with age, so I don't recommend keeping them too
    long. When I raced tubulars, some of the guys kept theirs for 5-6 years as you say, but 2-3
    years I think is safer.

    Quoted message said:

    A lot of modern clinchers [& tubulars] have dual compound treads which achieve the desired
    effect of harder rubber on the center line for less rolling resistance, but softer grippier
    shoulders for cornering. Personally, I think this is superior technology all ways round. And it
    also means you don't have several hundred dollars hanging up in the garage waiting to be used.

    Oh no! Not an endorsement for colored tires. Of course we will wait to see these oncars.


    Yup, if you really want "colored" car tires, the closest you'll get are these:

    if you want "blue" tires:
    tirerack.comtires.jsp

    how about "red" tires:
    tirerack.comtires.jsp

    they also make "yellow" tires (my favorite...):
    tirerack.comtires.jsp

  19. In article said:

    Jim Beam writes:

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    A lot of modern clinchers [& tubulars] have dual compound treads which achieve the desired
    effect of harder rubber on the center line for less rolling resistance, but softer grippier
    shoulders for cornering. Personally, I think this is superior technology all ways round. And it
    also means you don't have several hundred dollars hanging up in the garage waiting to be used.

    Oh no! Not an endorsement for colored tires. Of course we will wait to see these oncars.
    Jobst Brandt

    Well, cars don't roll on their tires significantly during cornering, but...

    tirerack.comtires.jsp rcher+T%2FA+Red

    tinyurl.comq1yd

    Available in several colours, no performance benefit claimed.

    --
    Ryan Cousineau, [email hidden] sfu.ca~rcousine President, Fabrizio Mazzoleni Fan Club

  20. [email hidden] wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Oh no! Not an endorsement for colored tires. Of course we will wait


    to see these on cars.


    I saw a car a week or 2 ago with colored bands on the tire tread. IIRC, they were blue.

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