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  1. Well - now that the tour is over it's time to change focus to the week of the fatties. Early reports
    say that my teammates picked up a couple jerseys in the TT Events. RBR's own (and my teammate) Suz
    Weldon destroyed the womens field (not sure of her age group) for her gold. In the mixed Tandem 90+
    (I think) is was Rick Lilleberg and Leslie Mittendorf taking home the gold.

    I also heard that local legend Glenn Bunselmeyer won the TT and tandem TT (probably with Larry
    Shannon). Not much surprise there.

    -a (not yet 30)

  2. "Andrew Martin" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    Well - now that the tour is over it's time to change focus to the week of the fatties. Early
    reports say that my teammates picked up a couple jerseys in the TT Events. RBR's own (and my
    teammate) Suz Weldon destroyed the womens field (not sure of her age group) for her gold. In the
    mixed Tandem 90+ (I think) is was Rick Lilleberg and Leslie Mittendorf taking home the gold.

    I also heard that local legend Glenn Bunselmeyer won the TT and tandem TT (probably with Larry
    Shannon). Not much surprise there.

    Thurlow "Turbo" Rogers waxed all of us with a 50:4X to win the 40-44 age group. As you said,
    Bunselmeyer won the 45-49 age division, and (surprise, surprise) Kent Bostick won the 50-54 with a
    mid-52 clocking.

    Me, I hit a small stone and flatted with ~5 miles to go. :-(

    Andy Coggan

  3. [email hidden] (Andrew Martin) wrote in message
    news:<[email hidden]>...

    Quoted message said:

    Well - now that the tour is over it's time to change focus to the week of the fatties.

    9 August 2003

    Louisville, KY (AP) – In what many observers called the most competitive Masters race in recent
    memory, Henry Chang of San Diego, CA won today's 2003 National Road Race Championship in the 40-44
    division. After 80 grueling kilometers, the race came down to a break of three, with Chang
    outsprinting companions Chris Walker and Chris Hahn, both of Santa Barbara CA. Completing a
    California sweep of the top-5 places were former professional racer Thurlow Rogers and Richard
    Meeker of the USPS Masters team.

    The action began immediately with time-trial specialists Andrew Coggan and Eric Sternlict
    attacking on the first lap of the ten-lap race. Within 10 km they had established a 50 second gap
    as none of the pre-race favorites were willing to chase. Former 7-11 professional Michael Carter
    stated "I raced the Tour de France. I'll be damned if I was going to pull a bunch of nobodies up
    to the break."

    For the next two laps, individual riders made sporadic efforts to bridge but none could get more
    than half way across to the smooth riding duo of Coggan and Sternlict. That is, until Chris Walker
    hit the front and pulled at 50 kmh for five minutes. Only four riders could hold Walker's
    wheel--Hahn, Rogers, Meeker, and Chang--and a 30 second gap was quickly established over the
    shattering field.

    The group of five quickly caught and dropped the tiring early break. By the fifth lap they had
    nearly four minutes on the field and it was clear the winner would be one of the five.

    Then with 20 km to go, Chang abruptly stopped pulling. Numerous attempts to cajole him back into
    the rotation failed. As Hahn said afterward, "I yelled at him to pull through but he just looked
    back at me kind of sideways and said, 'Dumbass, I'm a sprinter. Shut up and pull'. I guess he said
    it so authoritatively that we just continued to pull him along even though I realize now it made
    no sense!"

    As they rode through the start-finish area to begin the bell lap, it became evident that Chang's
    negativity had permeated the rest of the break. Meeker had stopped pulling and Rogers had repeatedly
    taken him off the back during the prior lap. Walker, ever the sharp tactician, saw an opportunity to
    shed two of his main rivals. He attacked mercilessly on a small rise as Rogers and Meeker dangled
    five seconds behind. Walker's pace was so high that his ever-present, hanging string-of-snot whipped
    around and slapped Chang in the face. It was now a race of three.

    As the trio entered the final kilometer, Walker ramped up the pace hoping to crack the two
    sprinters, or, at least, to remove some of their snap. It didn't work. Hahn jumped at 300 meters
    and quickly passed Walker. Hahn recounted the sprint later, "I wound it up quickly to 65 kph. I
    looked under my arm at about 150 meters and saw Walker hanging tough on my wheel but I couldn't see
    Chang at all. I thought he must have blown big time. I knew Walker couldn't come back around as
    fast as I was going so I thought I had the vee. Then, out of nowhere seemingly, Chang was beside
    me. He was actually grinning at me all the way to the line." Video replay confirmed it, Chang had
    won by a tire width.

    Immediately after the finish, all 18 fans in attendance mobbed the ebullient winner. Chang gushed to
    nobody in particular, "I feel vindicated by this great victory. I've been preaching to the masses
    about the virtues of low body mass for bike racing, especially for anyone wanting to race at this
    high level. Once I got my BMI below that of Chris Walker, I knew I would be competitive. Plus, I
    used to race as a cat 2 in Southern California crits, so I knew I could sprint with any of these
    guys. I'm very pleased. Dumbasses, all of them."

    Results:
    1. Henry Chang, RBR 1:50:19
    2. Chris Hahn, Labor Power s.t.
    3. Chris Walker, VeloRPM :01
    4. Richard Meeker, USPS 1:23
    5. Thurlow Rogers, JAX s.t.

  4. "Andy Coggan" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    "Andrew Martin" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    Well - now that the tour is over it's time to change focus to the week of the fatties. Early
    reports say that my teammates picked up a couple jerseys in the TT Events. RBR's own (and my
    teammate) Suz Weldon destroyed the womens field (not sure of her age group) for her gold. In the
    mixed Tandem 90+ (I think) is was Rick Lilleberg and Leslie Mittendorf taking home the gold.

    I also heard that local legend Glenn Bunselmeyer won the TT and tandem TT (probably with Larry
    Shannon). Not much surprise there.

    Thurlow "Turbo" Rogers waxed all of us with a 50:4X to win the 40-44 age group. As you said,
    Bunselmeyer won the 45-49 age division, and (surprise, surprise) Kent Bostick won the 50-54 with a
    mid-52 clocking.

    Me, I hit a small stone and flatted with ~5 miles to go. :-(

    That's the Sure Indicator of the Masters Fattie, making excuses.

    K. Gringioni

    ps. I lost the Speedo bet because of a flat. I was going good too.

  5. "Mark Fennell" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    <nice race report snipped>

    Quoted message said:

    Results:
    1. Henry Chang, RBR 1:50:19
    2. Chris Hahn, Labor Power s.t.
    3. Chris Walker, VeloRPM :01
    4. Richard Meeker, USPS 1:23
    5. Thurlow Rogers, JAX s.t.

    I hope all you Dumbasses appreciate that I wore my rec.bicycles.racing jersey.

    Many thanks to Jeff Jones for finally coming through with the Pot Belge. It was instrumental in
    getting the BMI down for this event.

    K. Gringioni rbr Masters National Champion

  6. Most excellent indeed.

    Mark Fennell said:


    [email hidden] (Andrew Martin) wrote in message
    news:<[email hidden]>...

    Quoted message said:

    Well - now that the tour is over it's time to change focus to the week of the fatties.

    9 August 2003

    Louisville, KY (AP) – In what many observers called the most competitive Masters race in recent
    memory, Henry Chang of San Diego, CA won today's 2003 National Road Race Championship in the 40-44
    division. After 80 grueling kilometers, the race came down to a break of three, with Chang
    outsprinting companions Chris Walker and Chris Hahn, both of Santa Barbara CA. Completing a
    California sweep of the top-5 places were former professional racer Thurlow Rogers and Richard
    Meeker of the USPS Masters team.

    The action began immediately with time-trial specialists Andrew Coggan and Eric Sternlict
    attacking on the first lap of the ten-lap race. Within 10 km they had established a 50 second gap
    as none of the pre-race favorites were willing to chase. Former 7-11 professional Michael Carter
    stated "I raced the Tour de France. I'll be damned if I was going to pull a bunch of nobodies up
    to the break."

    For the next two laps, individual riders made sporadic efforts to bridge but none could get more
    than half way across to the smooth riding duo of Coggan and Sternlict. That is, until Chris Walker
    hit the front and pulled at 50 kmh for five minutes. Only four riders could hold Walker's
    wheel--Hahn, Rogers, Meeker, and Chang--and a 30 second gap was quickly established over the
    shattering field.

    The group of five quickly caught and dropped the tiring early break. By the fifth lap they had
    nearly four minutes on the field and it was clear the winner would be one of the five.

    Then with 20 km to go, Chang abruptly stopped pulling. Numerous attempts to cajole him back into
    the rotation failed. As Hahn said afterward, "I yelled at him to pull through but he just looked
    back at me kind of sideways and said, 'Dumbass, I'm a sprinter. Shut up and pull'. I guess he said
    it so authoritatively that we just continued to pull him along even though I realize now it made
    no sense!"

    As they rode through the start-finish area to begin the bell lap, it became evident that Chang's
    negativity had permeated the rest of the break. Meeker had stopped pulling and Rogers had
    repeatedly taken him off the back during the prior lap. Walker, ever the sharp tactician, saw an
    opportunity to shed two of his main rivals. He attacked mercilessly on a small rise as Rogers and
    Meeker dangled five seconds behind. Walker's pace was so high that his ever-present, hanging
    string-of-snot whipped around and slapped Chang in the face. It was now a race of three.

    As the trio entered the final kilometer, Walker ramped up the pace hoping to crack the two
    sprinters, or, at least, to remove some of their snap. It didn't work. Hahn jumped at 300 meters
    and quickly passed Walker. Hahn recounted the sprint later, "I wound it up quickly to 65 kph. I
    looked under my arm at about 150 meters and saw Walker hanging tough on my wheel but I couldn't
    see Chang at all. I thought he must have blown big time. I knew Walker couldn't come back around
    as fast as I was going so I thought I had the vee. Then, out of nowhere seemingly, Chang was
    beside me. He was actually grinning at me all the way to the line." Video replay confirmed it,
    Chang had won by a tire width.

    Immediately after the finish, all 18 fans in attendance mobbed the ebullient winner. Chang gushed
    to nobody in particular, "I feel vindicated by this great victory. I've been preaching to the
    masses about the virtues of low body mass for bike racing, especially for anyone wanting to race
    at this high level. Once I got my BMI below that of Chris Walker, I knew I would be competitive.
    Plus, I used to race as a cat 2 in Southern California crits, so I knew I could sprint with any of
    these guys. I'm very pleased. Dumbasses, all of them."

    Results:
    1. Henry Chang, RBR 1:50:19
    2. Chris Hahn, Labor Power s.t.
    3. Chris Walker, VeloRPM :01
    4. Richard Meeker, USPS 1:23
    5. Thurlow Rogers, JAX s.t.

  7. On 4 Aug 2003 18:49:38 -0700, Mark Fennell wrote: the POTM.

  8. Quoted post said:

    Originally posted by Kurgan Gringion

    Many thanks to Jeff Jones for finally coming through with the Pot Belge. It was instrumental in
    getting the BMI down for this event.

    K. Gringioni rbr Masters National Champion [/B]

    A friend of my sister's was in Antwerp at the Waldorf-Astoria a few months ago and he asked the waiter if he could get the recipe for the wonderful "Pot Belge Waldorf" that he had been served for lunch. The waiter said it would cost him two-fifty and he agreed. The waiter brought the recipe on a nice card embossed with the Waldorf logo along with the bill for TWO HUNDRED AND FIFTY EUROS! My sister's friend was outraged and wanted his money back but the manager said "fous-moi le camp, ordure!". So now, to get even with the Waldorf-Astoria Antwerp here is the recipe for everyone on Usenet. Please e-mail a copy to everyone you know and cross-post to all newsgroups you can find! Let's not let those Belgian [censored] get away with this!

    Pot Belge Waldorf
    (recipe can be doubled)

    1,5g Growthe hormone humane
    1,5g Meth crystale
    4,0g Testosteronne
    pinche du enlarger du penis

    mixe en syringe avec 10ml saline
    injectez encouler

    ENJOY!

  9. [email hidden] (Mark Fennell) wrote in message
    news:<[email hidden]>...

    Quoted message said:

    [email hidden] (Andrew Martin) wrote in message
    news:<[email hidden]>...

    Quoted message said:

    Well - now that the tour is over it's time to change focus to the week of the fatties.

    9 August 2003

    Louisville, KY (AP) ? In what many observers called the most competitive Masters race in recent
    memory, Henry Chang of San Diego, CA won...

    As the trio entered the final kilometer, Walker ramped up the pace hoping to crack the two
    sprinters, or, at least, to remove some of their snap. It didn't work. Hahn jumped at 300 meters
    and quickly passed Walker. Hahn recounted the sprint later, "I wound it up quickly to 65 kph. I
    looked under my arm at about 150 meters and saw Walker hanging tough on my wheel but I couldn't
    see Chang at all. I thought he must have blown big time. I knew Walker couldn't come back around
    as fast as I was going so I thought I had the vee. Then, out of nowhere seemingly, Chang was
    beside me. He was actually grinning at me all the way to the line." Video replay confirmed it,
    Chang had won by a tire width.

    Brilliant. If only Coggan could write posts as interesting as this!

    Chang is now skinnier than Chris Walker?? Wow.

    Quoted message said:

    Immediately after the finish, all 18 fans in attendance mobbed the ebullient winner. Chang gushed
    to nobody in particular, "I feel vindicated by this great victory. I've been preaching to the
    masses about the virtues of low body mass for bike racing, especially for anyone wanting to race
    at this high level. Once I got my BMI below that of Chris Walker, I knew I would be competitive.
    Plus, I used to race as a cat 2 in Southern California crits, so I knew I could sprint with any of
    these guys. I'm very pleased. Dumbasses, all of them."

    Results:
    1. Henry Chang, RBR 1:50:19
    2. Chris Hahn, Labor Power s.t.
    3. Chris Walker, VeloRPM :01
    4. Richard Meeker, USPS 1:23
    5. Thurlow Rogers, JAX s.t.

    Congrats again Henri.

    -Ken

  10. "Andy Coggan" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:<[email hidden]>...

    Quoted message said:

    "Andrew Martin" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    Well - now that the tour is over it's time to change focus to the week of the fatties. Early
    reports say that my teammates picked up a couple jerseys in the TT Events. RBR's own (and my
    teammate) Suz Weldon destroyed the womens field (not sure of her age group) for her gold. In the
    mixed Tandem 90+ (I think) is was Rick Lilleberg and Leslie Mittendorf taking home the gold.

    I also heard that local legend Glenn Bunselmeyer won the TT and tandem TT (probably with Larry
    Shannon). Not much surprise there.

    Thurlow "Turbo" Rogers waxed all of us with a 50:4X to win the 40-44 age group. As you said,
    Bunselmeyer won the 45-49 age division, and (surprise, surprise) Kent Bostick won the 50-54 with a
    mid-52 clocking.

    Me, I hit a small stone and flatted with ~5 miles to go. :-(

    Andy Coggan

    was your brake rubbing?

  11. Louisville hosted a pretty good nats, from what I heard, although at least one VERY strong 50+ rider
    got laid out by a MTB rider while checking out the ultra-technical park RR venue. Poor David Leduc,
    who almost undoubtedly would have cleaned clock in the RR like he did in the crit, got knocked down
    by an errant knobby head, ending up in the hospital with broken ribs and other internal stuff. His
    Mercy Teammate, Randy Parker, didn't live up to his team's name, laying waste in the 45+ RR, neatly
    following up on last year's 40+ crit demolition. For these old but fast guys (both of whom are far
    leaner than H Chang will ever be): There's always next year, when Louisvile will host em again.

    Thurlow [censored] at least one rider: Dave Grice, of Asheville, who had the SECOND fastest TT of
    the Nats. But, he was also in the 40+ group, and was thus denied a Gold. Next up for Grice (who
    trains more hours than many Pros despite his job as a VP of investments for a large Firm and his
    burgeoning family): Master's World's. Maybe the Pros will stay away from that one.

    As for myself, rather than drive the 3 hours to Louisville for the 35+ shenanigans, I was on a
    hardcore weight loss regimen in the North Cascades, on the Ptarmigan Traverse. Amazing how carrying
    all of your food for six days' backcountry fun and sun whilst climbing assorted sizes and shapes of
    rock and ice will shell off the LB's. Only fell in one crevasse the whole time. Lucky for me, my
    large bike racing hiney kept me from going all the way in...

    Greg

  12. "Bikerecker" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    For these old but fast guys (both of whom are far leaner than H Chang will


    ever

    Quoted message said:

    be):

    Dumbass -

    The Masters racers who are good aren't Fat.

    On average though, they are 15-20 lbs. fatter than the average Senior 1/2 rider.

    An endurance sport community like bike racing accepts the 1 lb./year rule just like the general
    population accepts it. Sad, because after 30 or 40 years of that, people pay, with their health.

  13. In article <[email hidden]>, Kurgan Gringioni

    Quoted message said:

    "Bikerecker" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    For these old but fast guys (both of whom are far leaner than H Chang will


    ever

    Quoted message said:

    be):

    Dumbass -

    The Masters racers who are good aren't Fat.

    On average though, they are 15-20 lbs. fatter than the average Senior 1/2 rider.

    That sounds like apples and oranges. The "average" master (cat 1,2,3,4,5) isn't as fit as the
    average Sr 1/2 but the masters who are good aren't fat.

    Line up groups of Sr 1's, 2's, 3's, 4's, 5's. Line up groups of 35+1's, 2's, 3's, 4's, 5's.

    What is the fat% difference between the two groups of 1's? What is the fat% difference between the
    two groups of 2's? What is the fat% difference between the two groups of 3's? What is the fat%
    difference between the two groups of 4's? What is the fat% difference between the two groups of 5's?

    According to you the masters in these groupings should be 1lb/year fatter than their senior
    counterpart. True? In which groups?

    -WG

  14. "warren" <[email hidden]> wrote in message "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    In article <[email hidden]>, Kurgan Gringioni

    Quoted message said:

    "Bikerecker" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    For these old but fast guys (both of whom are far leaner than H Chang


    will

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    ever

    Quoted message said:

    be):

    Dumbass -

    The Masters racers who are good aren't Fat.

    On average though, they are 15-20 lbs. fatter than the average Senior


    1/2

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    rider.

    That sounds like apples and oranges. The "average" master (cat 1,2,3,4,5) isn't as fit as the
    average Sr 1/2 but the masters who are good aren't fat.

    Dumbass -

    Most of the masters aren't good.

  15. Bikerecker said:


    Louisville hosted a pretty good nats, from what I heard, although at least one VERY strong 50+
    rider got laid out by a MTB rider while checking out the ultra-technical park RR venue. Poor David
    Leduc, who almost undoubtedly would have cleaned clock in the RR like he did in the crit, got
    knocked down by an errant knobby head, ending up in the hospital with broken ribs and other
    internal stuff.

    Crashing is no excuse for sucking. At least, I think that's what a burnout would say.

  16. In article <[email hidden]>, Kurgan Gringioni

    Quoted message said:

    "warren" <[email hidden]> wrote in message "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    In article <[email hidden]>, Kurgan Gringioni

    Quoted message said:

    "Bikerecker" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...
    > For these old but fast guys (both of whom are far leaner than H Chang


    will

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    ever
    > be):

    Dumbass -

    The Masters racers who are good aren't Fat.

    On average though, they are 15-20 lbs. fatter than the average Senior


    1/2

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    rider.

    That sounds like apples and oranges. The "average" master (cat 1,2,3,4,5) isn't as fit as the
    average Sr 1/2 but the masters who are good aren't fat.

    Dumbass -

    Most of the masters aren't good.

    You didn't answer my question. Why do you evade my question?

    -WG

  17. warren said:


    In article <[email hidden]>, Dumbass

    Quoted message said:

    "warren" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    In article <[email hidden]>, Dumbass
    <[email hidden]> wrote:

    > "Bikerecker" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    > "]news:[email hidden]...
    > > For these old but fast guys (both of whom are far leaner than Dumbass will ever be):
    >
    > The Masters racers who are good aren't Fat.
    >
    > On average though, they are 15-20 lbs. fatter than the average Senior 1/2 rider.
    >

    That sounds like apples and oranges. The "average" master (cat 1,2,3,4,5) isn't as fit as the
    average Sr 1/2 but the masters who are good aren't fat.

    Most of the masters aren't good.

    You didn't answer my question. Why do you evade my question?

    Because he has no answers that go beyond the thinnest surface. He just harps and opens his mouth on
    a billion subjects. This is the age of the specialist, and Dumbass thinks being a
    jackoff-of-all-trades is good enough.

  18. "warren" <[email hidden]> wrote in message "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    In article <[email hidden]>, Kurgan Gringioni

    Quoted message said:

    "warren" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    In article <[email hidden]>, Kurgan Gringioni
    <[email hidden]> wrote:

    > "Bikerecker" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    > "]news:[email hidden]...
    > > For these old but fast guys (both of whom are far leaner than H


    Chang

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    will

    Quoted message said:

    > ever
    > > be):
    >
    >
    >
    > Dumbass -
    >
    > The Masters racers who are good aren't Fat.
    >
    > On average though, they are 15-20 lbs. fatter than the average


    Senior

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    1/2

    Quoted message said:

    > rider.

    That sounds like apples and oranges. The "average" master (cat 1,2,3,4,5) isn't as fit as the
    average Sr 1/2 but the masters who are good aren't fat.

    Dumbass -

    Most of the masters aren't good.

    You didn't answer my question. Why do you evade my question?

    Dumbass -

    I don't have data for that question and no one else does either. Who's done a study of
    Masters Fatties?

    My 15-20 lb. estimate is by eyeballing. I used to do 90% 1/2 races and when I entered the odd
    Masters RR, it was pleasing to see all the fat asses in the pack. The difference becomes even more
    evident as soon as the race started heading uphill.

  19. In article <[email hidden]>, Kurgan Gringioni

    Quoted message said:

    "warren" <[email hidden]> wrote in message "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    In article <[email hidden]>, Kurgan Gringioni

    Quoted message said:

    "warren" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...
    > In article <[email hidden]>, Kurgan Gringioni
    > <[email hidden]> wrote:
    >
    > > "Bikerecker" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    > > "]news:[email hidden]...
    > > > For these old but fast guys (both of whom are far leaner than H


    Chang

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    will
    > > ever
    > > > be):
    > >
    > >
    > >
    > > Dumbass -
    > >
    > > The Masters racers who are good aren't Fat.
    > >
    > > On average though, they are 15-20 lbs. fatter than the average


    Senior

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    1/2
    > > rider.
    >
    > That sounds like apples and oranges. The "average" master (cat 1,2,3,4,5) isn't as fit as
    > the average Sr 1/2 but the masters who are good aren't fat.

    Dumbass -

    Most of the masters aren't good.

    You didn't answer my question. Why do you evade my question?

    Dumbass -

    I don't have data for that question and no one else does either. Who's done a study of Masters
    Fatties?

    So you don't have data to support your opinion but you still obsess about it?

    You can't even tell us in specific terms how or why you derive your evaluations about fat masters
    and whether or not the 1/lb/year rule applies like you say it does. This is why I gave you the
    opportunity to separate out the age variable.

    Quoted message said:

    My 15-20 lb. estimate is by eyeballing. I used to do 90% 1/2 races and when I entered the odd
    Masters RR, it was pleasing to see all the fat asses in the pack.

    But you were looking at plenty of Cat 3's-maybe they were the fat ones since you've said good
    masters (1,2's) are not fat. You keep saying they're fat because they're old, but the good ones are
    an exception to that, but you can't account for the fact that Cat 3,4,5 riders tend to be fatter no
    matter what their age.

    So, on average, how much fatter is a 40 year-old Cat 3 than a 25 year-old Sr 3? About 15 pounds,
    right? Same for Cat 4's? Cat 5's?

    -WG

  20. "warren" <[email hidden]> wrote in message "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:


    But you were looking at plenty of Cat 3's-maybe they were the fat ones since you've said good
    masters (1,2's) are not fat. You keep saying they're fat because they're old, but the good ones
    are an exception to that, but you can't account for the fact that Cat 3,4,5 riders tend to be
    fatter no matter what their age.

    Dumbass -

    Most of the riders in masters races aren't 1/2.

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