Marty Nothstein's squat poundage

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Anyone have an idea what Marty's maximum squat lift was when he was doing just track? I'm curious
as to how strong those guys are compared to full time bodybuilders/powerlifters. Numbers for other
guys like Vails, Gorski, Labauve would be appreciated, even foreignors.

During roid-rage or not?

I hate to throw these kind of numbers out because I don't know how they relate to what other athletes do but when I was training for pursuit I would do 1200 reps on a leg sled. I did not use the same full range of motion that a weight lifter might. I don't think you need the extra muscles that aren't in the pedal circle range. The typical workout was sets of 8 until failure 2x a week. All weightlifting ended by March. I never did any maxing out and I never bent the kness too much because I thought they would explode with that much weight. : )

I'm sure sprinters would do a lot more and a greater range.

Any qualified gym will get you started out on the right track. Just take your time and progress. Don't forget the rest of the leg muscles. They all count.

I would agree that the most powerful athletes in most sports are squatting about 2.5 times
bodyweight, but elite powerlifters are pushing much more than that, about 5 x bodyweight in the
lowest weight classes "down" to about 3-3.5 x bodyweight for the superheavies. Mike.

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Elite power athletes in all sports do about the same: 2-2.5 times body weight for a 1 rep max
squat to top parallel with a belt and knee wraps. Power lifters do a little bit more with a
supersuit.

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Anyone have an idea what Marty's maximum squat lift was when he was

doing

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just track? I'm curious as to how strong those guys are compared to full time
bodybuilders/powerlifters. Numbers for other guys like Vails, Gorski, Labauve would be
appreciated, even foreignors.

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Elite power athletes in all sports do about the same: 2-2.5 times body weight for a 1 rep max
squat to top parallel with a belt and knee wraps. Power lifters do a little bit more with a
supersuit.

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Anyone have an idea what Marty's maximum squat lift was when he was doing just track? I'm
curious as to how strong those guys are compared to full time bodybuilders/powerlifters. Numbers
for other guys like Vails, Gorski, Labauve would be appreciated, even foreignors.

Where'd you get these numbers???

Back when I used to lift just for the hell of it, not competively, I could squat 2x my body weight
for reps. Didn't need knee wraps, damn sure didn't use a squat suit. I'm not now nor was I then even
close to being an elite power athlete.

I sure hope that when Marty was a 'sprinter' that he could squat more than that.

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I hate to throw these kind of numbers out because I don't know how they relate to what other
athletes do but when I was training for pursuit I would do 1200 reps on a leg sled. I did not use
the same full range of motion that a weight lifter might. I don't think you need the extra muscles
that aren't in the pedal circle range. The typical workout was sets of 8 until failure 2x a week.
All weightlifting ended by March. I never did any maxing out and I never bent the kness too much
because I thought they would explode with that much weight. : )

I'm sure sprinters would do a lot more and a greater range.

Any qualified gym will get you started out on the right track. Just take your time and progress.
Don't forget the rest of the leg muscles. They all count.

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A leg sled is a lot different from squatting. In squatting, the limiting factor isn't allways your
leg strength. Sometimes it is how much your back, neck, and shoulders can handle.

- Boyd S.

This thread is crying out to be unified with the "I just crashed/ beloki style" thread about the
first real dump after crash and painkillers.

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I hate to throw these kind of numbers out because I don't know how they relate to what other
athletes do but when I was training for pursuit I would do 1200 reps on a leg sled.

For gosh's sakes, why??

Andy Coggan

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Elite power athletes in all sports do about the same: 2-2.5 times body weight for a 1 rep max
squat to top parallel with a belt and knee wraps. Power lifters do a little bit more with a
supersuit.

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Anyone have an idea what Marty's maximum squat lift was when he was doing just track? I'm
curious as to how strong those guys are compared to full time bodybuilders/powerlifters.
Numbers for other guys like Vails, Gorski, Labauve would be appreciated, even foreignors.

Where'd you get these numbers???

Back when I used to lift just for the hell of it, not competively, I could squat 2x my body weight
for reps. Didn't need knee wraps, damn sure didn't use a squat suit. I'm not now nor was I then
even close to being an elite power athlete.

I sure hope that when Marty was a 'sprinter' that he could squat more than that.

Not sure if he needed to. I recall reading that he used about 400 lbs. Squats are just one part of
the training he did for strength and his jump.

-WG

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I hate to throw these kind of numbers out because I don't know how they relate to what other
athletes do but when I was training for pursuit I would do 1200 reps on a leg sled.

For gosh's sakes, why??

Andy Coggan

Because 1200 reps is so much more fun and effective than say, riding your bike?

-WG

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"never_doped" <[email hidden]> wrote in message "]news:[email hidden]...

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I hate to throw these kind of numbers out because I don't know how

they

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relate to what other athletes do but when I was training for pursuit I would do 1200 reps on a
leg sled.

For gosh's sakes, why??

Andy Coggan

Because 1200 reps is so much more fun and effective than say, riding your bike?

Maybe if you're a weightlifter or bodybuilder - but not if you goal is to ride a fast pursuit.

Andy Coggan

1200lbs

There was a section on L'Equipe that gave the poundages used by the French national team members and
how they progressed over the last decade. They gave numbers for Rousseau and Tournot (5 reps at
500lbs). I'm sure if you search it may still be there.

Also, I have a video of Curt Harnett doing close to 700lbs. Impressive to say the least.

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Elite power athletes in all sports do about the same: 2-2.5 times body weight for a 1 rep max
squat to top parallel with a belt and knee wraps. Power lifters do a little bit more with a
supersuit.

"Steve Wingate" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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> Anyone have an idea what Marty's maximum squat lift was when he was doing just track? I'm
> curious as to how strong those guys are compared to full time bodybuilders/powerlifters.
> Numbers for other guys like Vails, Gorski, Labauve would be appreciated, even foreignors.
>
>

Where'd you get these numbers???

Back when I used to lift just for the hell of it, not competively, I could squat 2x my body
weight for reps. Didn't need knee wraps, damn sure didn't use a squat suit. I'm not now nor was
I then even close to being an elite power athlete.

I sure hope that when Marty was a 'sprinter' that he could squat more than that.

Not sure if he needed to. I recall reading that he used about 400 lbs. Squats are just one part of
the training he did for strength and his jump.

-WG

I'm not sure he'd need to, either. But, that wasn't the issue.

The contention was that elite power athletes would do 1 rep max squats
w/ 2 - 2.5 times body weight. That implies that that's ALL they could do, and I still believe that
Marty could do a single rep max greater than that.

Whether he would routinely do it in training is another question.

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"never_doped" <[email hidden]> wrote in message "]news:[email hidden]...

> I hate to throw these kind of numbers out because I don't know how

they

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> relate to what other athletes do but when I was training for pursuit I would do 1200 reps on
> a leg sled.

For gosh's sakes, why??

Andy Coggan

Because 1200 reps is so much more fun and effective than say, riding your bike?

Maybe if you're a weightlifter or bodybuilder - but not if you goal is to ride a fast pursuit.

What, my subtle, sarcastic reply wasn't sufficient to make the point? Our act needs some
fine-tuning.

-WG

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...I have a video of Curt Harnett doing close to 700lbs. Impressive to say the least.

I don't need a video. I was there the day Erv popped his quadricep in Frisco.

Mike G. -

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