Martha's out...

BOB said:

Found in my e-mail earlier.

New York 'Jittery' as Prison Releases Martha Stewart
by Scott Ott

(2005-03-04) -- Residents of New York and neighboring states were on edge
today as one of the nation's most notorious criminals, Martha Stewart, was
released from a West Virginia prison.

"Stock brokers will be watching their backs," said one Wall Street
executive.
"We're all a bit jittery. She's done her time, but did the correctional
institution really correct her?"

Almost no one interviewed for this story would allow his name to be used,
fearing reprisals from the wealthy convict who remains under house arrest.

"In the world of finance, your word is your bond," said one unnamed bond
trader. "If she lied to federal investigators, what might she do to a
simple,
naive Wall Street trader? I'm not sleeping well. I feel vulnerable."

New York City Mayor Michael Bloomberg said he has beefed up security in
the
financial district, and every police officer carries a photo and
description
of Martha Stewart.

"New Yorkers just have to live their normal lives," said Mr. Bloomberg.
"Go
to work. Make deals. Use your cellphone. We have nothing to fear, but fear
itself."

She's an evil scumbag, which is why most of mindless Amerika is
fascinated with her, and made her rich - it's the "Oprah Syndrome".
She should have rotted in hell, instead of doubling her wealth and
fame while in "prison". A fine example for kids.

Good for Martha!

--
Wayne Boatwright
____________________________________________

Give me a smart idiot over a stupid genius any day.
Sam Goldwyn, 1882-1974

TheAlligator wrote

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She's an evil scumbag, which is why most of mindless Amerika is
fascinated with her, and made her rich - it's the "Oprah Syndrome".
She should have rotted in hell, instead of doubling her wealth and
fame while in "prison". A fine example for kids.

Ektually, she quadrupled her wealth during the last 5 months; signed up
for two t.v. shows. Formidable lady. Go Martha!

Mac

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BOB said:

Found in my e-mail earlier.

New York 'Jittery' as Prison Releases Martha Stewart
by Scott Ott

(2005-03-04) -- Residents of New York and neighboring states were on edge
today as one of the nation's most notorious criminals, Martha Stewart,

was

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released from a West Virginia prison.

"Stock brokers will be watching their backs," said one Wall Street
executive.
"We're all a bit jittery. She's done her time, but did the correctional
institution really correct her?"

Almost no one interviewed for this story would allow his name to be used,
fearing reprisals from the wealthy convict who remains under house

arrest.

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"In the world of finance, your word is your bond," said one unnamed bond
trader. "If she lied to federal investigators, what might she do to a
simple,
naive Wall Street trader? I'm not sleeping well. I feel vulnerable."

New York City Mayor Michael Bloomberg said he has beefed up security in
the
financial district, and every police officer carries a photo and
description
of Martha Stewart.

"New Yorkers just have to live their normal lives," said Mr. Bloomberg.
"Go
to work. Make deals. Use your cellphone. We have nothing to fear, but

fear

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itself."

She's an evil scumbag, which is why most of mindless Amerika is
fascinated with her, and made her rich - it's the "Oprah Syndrome".
She should have rotted in hell, instead of doubling her wealth and
fame while in "prison". A fine example for kids.

I wondered why you call yourself "The Alligator"......

Elly

MARTHA RULES
YOU GO GIRL

BOB said:

Found in my e-mail earlier.

New York 'Jittery' as Prison Releases Martha Stewart
by Scott Ott

(2005-03-04) -- Residents of New York and neighboring states were on
edge today as one of the nation's most notorious criminals, Martha
Stewart, was released from a West Virginia prison.

"Stock brokers will be watching their backs," said one Wall Street
executive.
"We're all a bit jittery. She's done her time, but did the
correctional institution really correct her?"

Oh pulleeeeeeze. Like Martha is a terrorist or something. They should be
watching the skies for airplanes, not worrying about Martha making a stock
trade.

Jill

Alligator said:

She's an evil scumbag, which is why most of mindless Amerika is
fascinated with her, and made her rich - it's the "Oprah Syndrome".
She should have rotted in hell, instead of doubling her wealth and
fame while in "prison". A fine example for kids.

Are you so positive that you wouldn't have done the same thing given the
same circumstances? I'd like to think I wouldn't, but I can't be sure.

Elisa

George Beasley said:

I wondered why you call yourself "The Alligator"......

Strangely, your suggested line of reasoning is exactly why I was given
this nickname to begin with <G>. I'm sorry, but I just don't think
Martha going to or getting out of prison is worthy of the onslaught of
coverage, which is exactly how I feel about Michael Jackson. Maybe he
did it, maybe he didn't - he's certainly weird, but everybody has the
right to be that way. Oprah seems to be a genuinely nice person, but
she is the patron saint of the victimization movement. Everyone I
know cringes visibly upon hearing "you go girl" - maybe I just run in
different circles. As I understand it, if you worked for Martha
(sheAlligator) you wouldn't be so anxious to see her leave prison. So
let's look at a dichotomy: Martha is convicted of a federal crime,
gets even richer and is now an American idol. Jeff Smith was accused
of molestation by some guys who waited decades until he was rich to
come out. No trial, no conviction, nothing but accusations - his
entire life and fortune is ruined overnight. Wait, he was a white
male - the only person who can't possibly be a victim these days, eh?
(go ahead, scream bigot - that's all part of the trend, anyway).
By the way - how long do you think that YOU would rot in prison for
Securities violations and federal perjury charges? 5 months? 5
years, more likely.

Dog3 uhoh@ajfl;ajklsd;ajlds.nutz said:

I am with you and Jill on this one. IMO there are far worst criminals out
there. I don't like her much but I respect MS for what she's done with her
life.

I understand your line of reasoning, I really do. But since when is
crime and resultant punishment a matter of comparison between other
lawbreakers? Of course, she didn't exactly bring down the World Trade
Center, but she committed crimes for which there are punishments. Ken
Lay committed worse crimes and should get worse punishments, but that
doesn't mean that because the scales are tipped, Martha should get
off. In my opinion, she got off REAL easy - not for the stocks, but
for the perjury. And in response to an earier comment - NO, I
wouldn't have done the same thing under the circumstances - I don't
steal pens from work and I don't keep extra change if the clerk makes
a mistake - sad that seems to be some kind of character flaw these
days. By the way, my pretty-much grown children don't lie or steal
either - wonder how they got that way?

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[email hidden] (TheAlligator) wrote:

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She's an evil scumbag, which is why most of mindless Amerika is
fascinated with her, and made her rich - it's the "Oprah Syndrome".
She should have rotted in hell, instead of doubling her wealth and
fame while in "prison". A fine example for kids.

No, you're confused. The "fine example for kids" is being tried in
California.

There are actually some things about Martha that are worth emulating.

Regards,
Dave

--
Living in the Ozarks
For email, edu will do.

During times of universal deceit, telling the truth
becomes a revolutionary act. - George Orwell, (1903-1950)

On Sat, 5 Mar 2005 06:06:02 -0600, "jmcquown" <[email hidden]>

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BOB said:

Found in my e-mail earlier.

New York 'Jittery' as Prison Releases Martha Stewart
by Scott Ott

(2005-03-04) -- Residents of New York and neighboring states were on
edge today as one of the nation's most notorious criminals, Martha
Stewart, was released from a West Virginia prison.

"Stock brokers will be watching their backs," said one Wall Street
executive.
"We're all a bit jittery. She's done her time, but did the
correctional institution really correct her?"

Oh pulleeeeeeze. Like Martha is a terrorist or something. They should be
watching the skies for airplanes, not worrying about Martha making a stock
trade.

Damn, I'm going to lock my doors. It won't be 24-hours until she's
beating eggs, whipping potatoes and smashing garlic.

No food will be safe. ;-)

Rusty

Au Contraire.... Martha has been a sacrificial lamb. She only lied and stole
40K. There are Wall Street crooks out there that filched billions. Now, the
gullible public can safely entrust their cash to Wall Street secure in the
knowledge the guilty have been punished. She was a high profile individual.
Remember, the head that rises above the crowd gets chopped off. I sincerely
hope she gets revenge on the [censored] that put her in prison. Her TV
programs may be the mechanism to do this. Notice the stock in her company
was manipulated upward in the last few months. Martha goes to prison and her
handlers score big. Last nights Dateline NBC was a sickening infomercial.

Farmer John
..

Rusty said:

On Sat, 5 Mar 2005 06:06:02 -0600, "jmcquown" <[email hidden]>

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BOB said:

Found in my e-mail earlier.

New York 'Jittery' as Prison Releases Martha Stewart
by Scott Ott

(2005-03-04) -- Residents of New York and neighboring states were on
edge today as one of the nation's most notorious criminals, Martha
Stewart, was released from a West Virginia prison.

"Stock brokers will be watching their backs," said one Wall Street
executive.
"We're all a bit jittery. She's done her time, but did the
correctional institution really correct her?"

Oh pulleeeeeeze. Like Martha is a terrorist or something. They
should be watching the skies for airplanes, not worrying about
Martha making a stock trade.

Damn, I'm going to lock my doors. It won't be 24-hours until she's
beating eggs, whipping potatoes and smashing garlic.

No food will be safe. ;-)

Rusty

"Oh the humanity!" LOL

Jill

"TheAlligator" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
And in response to an earier comment - NO, I

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wouldn't have done the same thing under the circumstances - I don't
steal pens from work and I don't keep extra change if the clerk makes
a mistake - sad that seems to be some kind of character flaw these
days. By the way, my pretty-much grown children don't lie or steal
either - wonder how they got that way?

I don't steal pens either, I point out clerk's errors in change, if I find
money on the ground, I try to find the owner...however, if I got a stock tip
from a good friend that could save me from losing $40,000 the very next day,
I am not sure that I am that rightous to ignore the information. I know I
would be tempted....

Elisa

Elisa said:

I don't steal pens either, I point out clerk's errors in change, if I find
money on the ground, I try to find the owner...however, if I got a stock tip
from a good friend that could save me from losing $40,000 the very next day,
I am not sure that I am that rightous to ignore the information. I know I
would be tempted....

Elisa

Of course you'd be tempted, Elisa and so would I. Almost everything
is a temptation - the true test of character is how you respond to it.
And from what little I know about you, I'm fairly certain that YOU
wouldn't have done it, either. Especially if, as in her case, it was
the equivalent of pocket change. Whatever you think about her, she is
certainly not stupid - she knew she committed a federal felony the
second she made the call.

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Elisa said:

I don't steal pens either, I point out clerk's errors in change, if I find
money on the ground, I try to find the owner...however, if I got a stock
tip
from a good friend that could save me from losing $40,000 the very next
day,
I am not sure that I am that rightous to ignore the information. I know I
would be tempted....

Elisa

Of course you'd be tempted, Elisa and so would I. Almost everything
is a temptation - the true test of character is how you respond to it.
And from what little I know about you, I'm fairly certain that YOU
wouldn't have done it, either. Especially if, as in her case, it was
the equivalent of pocket change. Whatever you think about her, she is
certainly not stupid - she knew she committed a federal felony the
second she made the call.

I try to be a good person, but I can be so weak....;-)

Elisa

Elisa said:

I try to be a good person, but I can be so weak....;-)

Elisa

Well, welcome to the club!

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Since you're such a righteous and stern law and order man you should
know that MS has NOT been convicted of insider trading. That charge
wasn't even brought against her by the feds.
Mac

IIRC, she was convicted of lying tot he SEC. My point is, she broke the law
and is not above it because she is a celebrity, she its not above it because
other have done worse. Neither are you, neither am I.

Edwin Pawlowski said:

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Since you're such a righteous and stern law and order man you

should

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know that MS has NOT been convicted of insider trading. That

charge

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wasn't even brought against her by the feds.
Mac

IIRC, she was convicted of lying tot he SEC. My point is, she broke

the law

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and is not above it because she is a celebrity, she its not above it

because

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other have done worse. Neither are you, neither am I.

She was convicted of lying to the FBI and of obstruction of justice.
While all this was going on she wasn't accused of any crime....neither
insider trading, stealing, defrauding anyone, cooking the books, living
the high life, or cooking wimpy onion soup. No one lost money because
of her actions. A sense of balance seems to have been lost in the
baying for blood and the intoxication of moral outrage.

Mac