Mark Hickey

Appkiller said:

The moral high ground is NOT a relativistic place. Don't
even start with that [censored] argument about how bad the
Iraqis are.

Can't you keep this nonsense in the threads that have
nothing else, and can be safely killfiled?

[Or, better yet, off r.b.t. altogether.]

If I want to read about Iraq, I'll buy a newspaper.
--
David Damerell <[email hidden]>
Distortion Field!

David Reuteler <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

Quoted message said:

yea, rick. don't plagiarize. unless you're a scientist or
mathematician.

Quoted message said:

"Plagiarize, Let no one else's work evade your eyes,
Remember why the good Lord made your eyes, So don't shade
your eyes, But plagiarize, plagiarize, plagiarize -- Only
be sure to please call it 'research.'"

Quoted message said:

"I am never forget the day I first meet the great
Lobachevski. In one word he told me secret of success in
mathematics: 'Plagiarize!'"

"If you steal from one author, it's plagiarism; if you steal
from many, it's research." --Wilson Mizner

Bruce

gary jacobson said:

"Rick Onanian" <[email hidden]> wrote in message

Quoted message said:

On Tue, 18 May 2004 17:20:32 GMT, carlfogel

Quoted message said:

As has been discussed, you should have said: "I don't
believe a word of it."

I don't believe you.

Are you quoting Dylan?

I'm not quoting anybody, although I'm sure I'm not the first
person ever to say "I don't believe you".

Quoted message said:

If so, please let readers know that.

No, it was just a terrible attempt at humor.

See, Mark Hickey said that he does, in fact, exist. I
expressed my fake disbelief (intended as pseudo-irony) about
that possibility. Then, when Carl said something else about
it, I again expressed my fake disbelief.

Kind of like I would have done if somebody asked if I still
existed; I would have said "No.", thereby proving my
existence while denying it, in what would be funny in an
infantile way only appreciated by, well, nobody.

I'm not sufficiently familiar with Bob Dylan's work to
quote much. I guess I could suggest that all persons
present are required to become high on pot ("Everybody must
get stoned"😉, or maybe quote bits of a song covered (and
made more popular) by Jimi Hendrix (All Along The
Watchtower), or wonder how it feels to be on your own, with
no direction home, a complete unknown, just like a rolling
stone...or I could even (now this is as obscure as my Bob
Dylan knowledge gets) give you a shortened version of a
story of a African-American boxer wrongly convicted. Well,
I could quote a couple lines, but I don't really remember
the song well. Anyway, don't convict me of plagiarism that
I've never done...😉

If you're talking about some Dylan other than Bob, then I'm
completely lost. I imagine "I don't believe you" would be
something uttered by Bob Dylan...or nearly anybody else.
--
Rick Onanian

Quoted message said:

On Tue, 18 May 2004 21:06:11 -0400, Rick Onanian
<[email hidden]> sniped unforgivably:

Quoted message said:

I don't believe you.

That kind of red herring won't fly! It's a lie of the . . .
No, fourth kind!

I don't believe you.
--
Rick "Is this getting tired, or still sufficiently silly?" Onanian

Erik Freitag said:

I am sorry to see a topic in rec.bicycles.tech with his
name as the topic, when the discussion is not about Ti
bicycle frames.

How about this one: Rick Onanian & F. GoLightly -
[censored]!!!! groups.google.comgroupsOpen ↗
c4a.0312201405.3cbabe33%40posting.google.com which was a
part of a whole series of similarly titled threads by "Wild
Bill Kizer".

A discussion in a bicycle newsfroup with my name in the
subject should be about...umm..not riding very fast or
something. 😉

Or this one: Re: News serversWhy Rick Onanian Doesnt Know
Jack About REAL Computers groups.google.comgroupsOpen ↗
threadm=7b4pur%24tn9%241%40nnrp1.dejanews.com which appears
to be in reference to this: groups.google.comgroupsOpen ↗
?&selm=36C87F2D.36955B03%40mail.artmold.com which was the
only politics-related post from the right time period that I
could come up with through lots of googling. I certainly
never wrote the stuff that was quoted in that second link.

Discussions in linux newsfroups with my name in the
subject at that time should have been about the Linux
Router Project.
--
Rick Onanian

On Wed, 19 May 2004 16:11:45 -0400, Rick Onanian <[email hidden]>

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

On Tue, 18 May 2004 21:06:11 -0400, Rick Onanian
<[email hidden]> sniped unforgivably:

Quoted message said:

I don't believe you.

That kind of red herring won't fly! It's a lie of the . .
. No, fourth kind!

I don't believe you.

On Wed, 19 May 2004 16:11:45 -0400, Rick Onanian <[email hidden]>

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

On Tue, 18 May 2004 21:06:11 -0400, Rick Onanian
<[email hidden]> sniped unforgivably:

Quoted message said:

I don't believe you.

That kind of red herring won't fly! It's a lie of the . .
. No, fourth kind!

I don't believe you.

Rick "Is this getting tired, or still sufficiently
silly?" Onanian

Dear Rick,

Drat! Hit the wrong button while trying to include your
new nickname.

Any sufficiently silly thread is indistinguishable from
being tired.

Arthur C. Clarke

On Wed, 19 May 2004 16:11:45 -0400, Rick Onanian <[email hidden]>

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

On Tue, 18 May 2004 21:06:11 -0400, Rick Onanian
<[email hidden]> sniped unforgivably:

Quoted message said:

I don't believe you.

That kind of red herring won't fly! It's a lie of the . .
. No, fourth kind!

I don't believe you.

Rick "Is this getting tired, or still sufficiently
silly?" Onanian

Dear Rick,

Drat! Hit the wrong button while trying to include your
new nickname.

Any sufficiently silly thread is indistinguishable from
being tired.

Arthur C. Clarke

David Damerell <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

Quoted message said:

Appkiller said:

The moral high ground is NOT a relativistic place. Don't
even start with that [censored] argument about how bad the
Iraqis are.

Can't you keep this nonsense in the threads that have
nothing else, and can be safely killfiled?

[Or, better yet, off r.b.t. altogether.]

If I want to read about Iraq, I'll buy a newspaper.

Still having difficulty learning how to use your newsreader?
--
Jonesy

[email hidden] wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

Quoted message said:

On Tue, 18 May 2004 21:06:11 -0400, Rick Onanian
<[email hidden]>

sniped unforgivably:

Quoted message said:

carlfogel usenet- said:

Please, in the future try to use the traditional phrase,
not briefer and less hyperbolic substitutes. As has been
discussed, you should have said: "I don't believe a word
of it."

I don't believe you.

Dear Rick,

That kind of red herring won't fly! It's a lie of
the . . .

[Pause to count on fingers.]

Third--

[Recount in defiance of the Supreme Court.]

No, fourth kind!

As Eisenhower's future in-laws suggested when he asked
what to make of Mamie:

Bride, Ike!

I have serious doubts you were actually present when those
words were allegedly uttered.

Howzat? 😉
--
Jonesy

Erik Freitag said:

I am sorry to see a topic in rec.bicycles.tech with his
name as the topic, when the discussion is not about Ti
bicycle frames.

Quoted message said:

Do you think we could propose a newsgroup rec.bicycles.not-
tech, or rec.bicycles.politics? Or
rec.bicycles.politics.iraq?
rec.bicycles.rightwing.bobbleheads?

Oh, out of sight, out of mind. Separate but equal etc. I
think the issue is in the right place and under the
appropriate heading "Why do they hate us..." It was not by
accident that I chose that heading and the two main
newsgroups to get the discussion rolling. I am glad to see
participation and various points of view being aired. I
think that is the best way to hear different sides of an
issue so that the merit of each can be judged.

I don't think this thread and title is appropriate and I
will not stoop to criticize anyones politics here.

Jobst Brandt [email hidden]

Rick Onanian said:

gary jacobson said:

"Rick Onanian" <[email hidden]> wrote in message

Quoted message said:

On Tue, 18 May 2004 17:20:32 GMT, carlfogel
> As has been discussed, you should have said: "I don't
> believe a word of it."

I don't believe you.

Are you quoting Dylan?

I'm not quoting anybody, although I'm sure I'm not the
first person ever to say "I don't believe you".

Quoted message said:

If so, please let readers know that.

No, it was just a terrible attempt at humor.

See, Mark Hickey said that he does, in fact, exist. I
expressed my fake disbelief (intended as pseudo-irony)
about that possibility. Then, when Carl said something
else about it, I again expressed my fake disbelief.

Kind of like I would have done if somebody asked if I
still existed; I would have said "No.", thereby proving my
existence while denying it, in what would be funny in an
infantile way only appreciated by, well, nobody.

I'm not sufficiently familiar with Bob Dylan's work to
quote much. I guess I could suggest that all persons
present are required to become high on pot ("Everybody
must get stoned"😉, or maybe quote bits of a song covered
(and made more popular) by Jimi Hendrix (All Along The
Watchtower), or wonder how it feels to be on your own,
with no direction home, a complete unknown, just like a
rolling stone...or I could even (now this is as obscure as
my Bob Dylan knowledge gets) give you a shortened version
of a story of a African-American boxer wrongly convicted.
Well, I could quote a couple lines, but I don't really
remember the song well. Anyway, don't convict me of
plagiarism that I've never done...😉

If you're talking about some Dylan other than Bob, then
I'm completely lost. I imagine "I don't believe you"
would be something uttered by Bob Dylan...or nearly
anybody else.

Rick, a simple "bite me" would have sufficed.

Bill "always fun to have to explain one's humorous
comments, eh?" S.

S o r n i said:

Rick, a simple "bite me" would have sufficed.

Bill "always fun to have to explain one's humorous
comments, eh?" S.

I don't believe you. Bite me. 😉
--
Rick Onanian

Rick Onanian said:

On Thu, 20 May 2004 04:41:50 GMT, " S o r n i" <sorni@bite-
me.san.rr.com> wrote:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Rick, a simple "bite me" would have sufficed.

Bill "always fun to have to explain one's humorous
comments, eh?" S.

I don't believe you. Bite me. 😉

There ya go.

Bill "existing" S.

David Damerell <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

Quoted message said:

Appkiller said:

The moral high ground is NOT a relativistic place. Don't
even start with that [censored] argument about how bad the
Iraqis are.

Can't you ...[ellipsis mine - app]

Is that the collective you? Should be, 'cuz I am not an
instigator (for the most part, this is a rare exception) of
political fracai in this newsgroup, although certainly a
frequent participant.

Quoted message said:

...keep this nonsense in the threads that have nothing
else, and can be safely killfiled?

Check the content of this thread - 100% nonsense, nothing
else as you say! A sidebar about Dylan, the shrubber, and
MH's politics. What could be more non-sensical?

Quoted message said:

[Or, better yet, off r.b.t. altogether.]

If I want to read about Iraq, I'll buy a newspaper.

And why the hell would you think that a thread with the name
of an outspoken participant in the OT political threads as a
title would contain any cycling content at all?

App

David Damerell <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

Quoted message said:

Appkiller said:

The moral high ground is NOT a relativistic place. Don't
even start with that [censored] argument about how bad the
Iraqis are.

Can't you ...[ellipsis mine - app]

Is that the collective you? Should be, 'cuz I am not an
instigator (for the most part, this is a rare exception) of
political fracai in this newsgroup, although certainly a
frequent participant.

Quoted message said:

...keep this nonsense in the threads that have nothing
else, and can be safely killfiled?

Check the content of this thread - 100% nonsense, nothing
else as you say! A sidebar about Dylan, the shrubber, and
MH's politics. What could be more non-sensical?

Quoted message said:

[Or, better yet, off r.b.t. altogether.]

If I want to read about Iraq, I'll buy a newspaper.

And why the hell would you think that a thread with the name
of an outspoken participant in the OT political threads as a
title would contain any cycling content at all?

App

[email hidden] wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

Quoted message said:

On Tue, 18 May 2004 21:06:11 -0400, Rick Onanian
<[email hidden]>

sniped unforgivably:

Quoted message said:

carlfogel usenet- said:

Please, in the future try to use the traditional phrase,
not briefer and less hyperbolic substitutes. As has been
discussed, you should have said: "I don't believe a word
of it."

I don't believe you.

Dear Rick,

That kind of red herring won't fly! It's a lie of
the . . .

[Pause to count on fingers.]

Third--

[Recount in defiance of the Supreme Court.]

No, fourth kind!

As Eisenhower's future in-laws suggested when he asked
what to make of Mamie:

Bride, Ike!

Jobstfully,

Carl Fogel

Okay, at risk of taking this thread off-topic, I gotta ask:
fourth kind of lie?

The three I know of are:

1. Fabricate a complete and total untruth.
2. Tell the truth, but leave out enough critical facts to
obscure the truth.
3. Tell the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the
truth, but make it sound so ridiculous as to be totally
unbelievable.

(I didn't come up with these myself, but paraphrasically
plagarized them from R. Heinlein, I think...)

Jonathan Quist

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Quoted message said:

[email hidden] wrote in message

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Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

On Tue, 18 May 2004 21:06:11 -0400, Rick Onanian
<[email hidden]>

sniped unforgivably:

Quoted message said:

On Tue, 18 May 2004 17:20:32 GMT, carlfogel <usenet-
[email hidden]> wrote:
>Please, in the future try to use the traditional
>phrase, not briefer and less hyperbolic substitutes.
>As has been discussed, you should have said: "I don't
>believe a word of it."

I don't believe you.

Dear Rick,

That kind of red herring won't fly! It's a lie of
the . . .

[Pause to count on fingers.]

Third--

[Recount in defiance of the Supreme Court.]

No, fourth kind!

As Eisenhower's future in-laws suggested when he asked
what to make of Mamie:

Bride, Ike!

Jobstfully,

Carl Fogel

Okay, at risk of taking this thread off-topic, I gotta
ask: fourth kind of lie?

The three I know of are:

1. Fabricate a complete and total untruth.
2. Tell the truth, but leave out enough critical facts to
obscure the truth.
3. Tell the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the
truth, but make it sound so ridiculous as to be totally
unbelievable.

(I didn't come up with these myself, but paraphrasically
plagarized them from R. Heinlein, I think...)

It's sad when things have gotten so bad that people can't be
bothered to plagiarise painstakingly anymore....:-)

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Mark are you still around?

I think so.

Mark Hickey Habanero Cycles habcycles.comhabcycles.comOpen ↗ Home
of the $695 ti frame

Are there any US/European importers of Flying Pigeon or
other Mainland brands? Also, do you know where one can
browse their selection online?

(Adam Rush) said:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Mark are you still around?

I think so.

Are there any US/European importers of Flying Pigeon or
other Mainland brands? Also, do you know where one can
browse their selection online?

I have no idea (I can't really keep up with everything going
on in China). I visited the FP booth at a Sydney bike show
once - they were certainly trying to gear up for export...
and I know there were some showing up in the US, but don't
know who might be importing them.

Shouldn't be hard to find them on the web...

Mark Hickey Habanero Cycles habcycles.comhabcycles.comOpen ↗ Home of
the $695 ti frame