marin aficianados?

"Monique Y. Mudama" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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So this second-hand store across the street has a few
bikes for sale. One of them's frame is labeled "Marin
Palisades Trail". It's dark green and rigid, and the fork
seems to match exactly in color. Now, I've done some web
searching, and the only links I find are to recent (2000
onward) hardtails. Some portion of the front brake was
labeled Shimano XT, but it looks all weird (old): the
cable seems to come down the center and then spread out to
both calipers, rather than coming to one side? I'm sure
I'm botching the description.

... Any ideas on this bike? Was it intended to be a true
mountain bike or a hybrid? Is this a "find" at $45, or
just another used bike?

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monique

I love Marin, they're stuff is great and usually a great
value. The Palisades Trail is a competent bike, usually: new
ones go for just over $600, I think. If everything on that
bike works I'd probably buy it for $45 just to have a cool
old Marin around. What kind of
shifters/derailleurs/rims/hubs were on it?

BTW, those brakes are probably cantilever brakes. They were
the only game in town before v-brakes and are still standard
on 'cross bikes. See: cambriabike.comavid shorty 6 centerOpen ↗
pull_brake_brake.htm

Chris

On 2004-06-28, Chris penned:

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I love Marin, they're stuff is great and usually a great
value. The Palisades Trail is a competent bike, usually:
new ones go for just over $600, I think. If everything on
that bike works I'd probably buy it for $45 just to have a
cool old Marin around. What kind of
shifters/derailleurs/rims/hubs were on it?

I looked for markings -- I think the rear derailleur said
"Shimano SIS" on it front just said "Shimano." Didn't think
to check the hubs.

But the thing is, the $600 bikes that you've seen are
hardtails, right? This is fully rigid, and the fork looks
like it came with the bike (same paint color). So I'm
wondering if there's not more to the story.

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BTW, those brakes are probably cantilever brakes. They
were the only game in town before v-brakes and are still
standard on 'cross bikes. See: cambriabike.comavid shorty 6 centerOpen ↗
pull_brake_brake.htm

Yes, that looks like the general idea, except shinier.

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monique

Monique Y. Mudama said:

I looked for markings -- I think the rear derailleur said
"Shimano SIS" on it front just said "Shimano." Didn't
think to check the hubs.

That's what the low-low end stuff used to say. Could be
something lower than Alivio.

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But the thing is, the $600 bikes that you've seen are
hardtails, right? This is fully rigid, and the fork looks
like it came with the bike (same paint color). So I'm
wondering if there's not more to the story.

In the early to mid-90's, bikes weren't sold with forks that
often. My '94 Marin Bear Valley SE had a rigid fork, and was
higher-end than the Palisades Trail.

Probably not a bad bike for riding round town. Its what I
use my old Marin for.

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On Mon, 28 Jun 2004 17:45:39 -0600, Monique Y.

Mudama said:

But the thing is, the $600 bikes that you've seen are
hardtails, right? This is fully rigid, and the fork
looks like it came with the bike (same paint color). So
I'm wondering if there's not more to the story.

In the early to mid-90's, bikes weren't sold with forks
that often. My '94 Marin Bear Valley SE had a rigid fork,
and was higher-end than the Palisades Trail.

Well, they _were_ sold with forks, just not suspension
forks. Snoogins.

But yeah, Monique, everything BB said.

Chris

Monique Y. Mudama said:

So this second-hand store across the street has a few
bikes for sale. One of them's frame is labeled "Marin
Palisades Trail". It's dark green and rigid, and the fork
seems to match exactly in color. Now, I've done some web
searching, and the only links I find are to recent (2000
onward) hardtails. Some portion of the front brake was
labeled Shimano XT, but it looks all weird (old): the
cable seems to come down the center and then spread out to
both calipers, rather than coming to one side? I'm sure
I'm botching the description.

Those'll be canti brakes.

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... Any ideas on this bike? Was it intended to be a true
mountain bike or a hybrid? Is this a "find" at $45, or
just another used bike?

The Palisades Trail is a proper mountain bike and has been
around for years. I think it was around when I was
considering buying my first mtb about 15 years ago (but
don't quote me on that). Similarly, XT has been around since
then too, so the bike could be from any time over the last
15 years, or so.

Seeing as it's fully rigid though, I'd put that at some time
pre-'96, but probably older (back in the old days, we didn't
have a lot of suspension). And I'd guess that it's a 1"
threaded headset, so any thoughts of adding a suspension
fork should be dismissed.

Depending on the condition, I'd snap it up in an instant,
but then I'd probably looking at using it as SS beater bike
or similar, and I'd be doing any servicing myself. YMMV.

BTW, photos would help in aging it.

bomba <[email hidden]> wrote: [snip]

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Seeing as it's fully rigid though, I'd put that at some
time pre-'96, but probably older (back in the old days, we
didn't have a lot of suspension). And I'd guess that it's
a 1" threaded headset, so any thoughts of adding a
suspension fork should be dismissed.

I've looked at this for an old thrash bike. You can
still get 1" threaded steerer bouncy forks. Since
I'm in the UK I've no idea about stockists in the US
but Marzocci do the MX Comp with a 1" steerer. I
think somebody else posted he's actually got some of
them a week or so back🙂

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Tim Izod said:

bomba <[email hidden]> wrote: [snip]

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Seeing as it's fully rigid though, I'd put that at some
time pre-'96, but probably older (back in the old days,
we didn't have a lot of suspension). And I'd guess that
it's a 1" threaded headset, so any thoughts of adding a
suspension fork should be dismissed.

I've looked at this for an old thrash bike. You can
still get 1" threaded steerer bouncy forks. Since
I'm in the UK I've no idea about stockists in the US
but Marzocci do the MX Comp with a 1" steerer. I
think somebody else posted he's actually got some of
them a week or so back🙂

Yes, but it's really not worth it. Spending a lot of money
on a 30 quid beater bike isn't worth it. You also have the
added complications of changing the geometry. For the money,
you're just better off buying a new bike.

bomba said:

Tim Izod wrote:

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Quoted message said:

bomba <[email hidden]> wrote: [snip]

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Seeing as it's fully rigid though, I'd put that at some
time pre-'96, but probably older (back in the old days,
we didn't have a lot of suspension). And I'd guess that
it's a 1" threaded headset, so any thoughts of adding a
suspension fork should be dismissed.

I've looked at this for an old thrash bike. You can
still get 1" threaded steerer bouncy forks. Since
I'm in the UK I've no idea about stockists in the US
but Marzocci do the MX Comp with a 1" steerer. I
think somebody else posted he's actually got some of
them a week or so back🙂

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Yes, but it's really not worth it. Spending a lot of money
on a 30 quid beater bike isn't worth it. You also have the
added complications of changing the geometry. For the
money, you're just better off buying a new bike.

I've a great sentimental attatchement to my old bike-
I've had it since ~1990 and about the only original
bits left are the frame and quill. Even so, apart
from replacing nicked wheels it's cost me less than
it's original price to keep it going. And yes, I
know it's not entirely sensible and I could have
bought a better second hand bike with the money🙂

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"Monique Y. Mudama" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

Quoted message said:

So this second-hand store across the street has a few
bikes for sale. One of them's frame is labeled "Marin
Palisades Trail". It's dark green and rigid, and the fork
seems to match exactly in color. Now, I've done some web
searching, and the only links I find are to recent (2000
onward) hardtails. Some portion of the front brake was
labeled Shimano XT, but it looks all weird (old): the
cable seems to come down the center and then spread out to
both calipers, rather than coming to one side? I'm sure
I'm botching the description.

... Any ideas on this bike? Was it intended to be a true
mountain bike or a hybrid? Is this a "find" at $45, or
just another used bike?

Do you use a bike for anything other than trailriding? For
$45, if it's in decent working condition, it's a steal for a
commuter/shopping/barhopping bike. Put a basket on it, buy a
good lock, don't upgrade anything, and leave the car at
home. It has paid for itself once you've ridden through 2
tanks of gas. I love my beater bikes over my 'nice' bikes.

/s

On 2004-06-29, bomba penned:

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Yes, but it's really not worth it. Spending a lot of money
on a 30 quid beater bike isn't worth it. You also have the
added complications of changing the geometry. For the
money, you're just better off buying a new bike.

Well, if we're still talking about the bike I was looking
at, I had no plans of bouncifying the front end or anything.
I was just confused by the disparity between the online
references and the actual bike.

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monique

On 2004-06-29, supabonbon penned:

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Do you use a bike for anything other than trailriding?
For $45, if it's in decent working condition, it's a
steal for a commuter/shopping/barhopping bike. Put a
basket on it, buy a good lock, don't upgrade anything,
and leave the car at home. It has paid for itself once
you've ridden through 2 tanks of gas. I love my beater
bikes over my 'nice' bikes.

I have a nice bike for mtbing. This would, indeed, be a
commuter/shopping/whatever kinda bike.

I'll check it out more carefully today. I didn't
actually try putting a leg over it yesterday; it could
possibly be too tall.

--
monique

bomba said:

Seeing as it's fully rigid though, I'd put that at some
time pre-'96, but probably older (back in the old days, we
didn't have a lot of suspension). And I'd guess that it's
a 1" threaded headset, so any thoughts of adding a
suspension fork should be dismissed.

I'm not sure when they started selling new mid-range bikes
with suspension forks, but '96 sounds about right. My '94
(Bear Valley SE) had a 1 1/8" headset, but the problem with
putting on a new fork will be the lack of a brake hanger.
It'd be better to leave this rigid.

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Depending on the condition, I'd snap it up in an
instant, but then I'd probably looking at using it as SS
beater bike or similar, and I'd be doing any servicing
myself. YMMV.

Same here. It'd be a good bike for a newbie to learn some
basic maintenance, too.

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Monique,

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Marin Palisades Trail

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$45

Buy it. Ride it on a few trails you usually ride. Fall in
love with your current bike all over again!

My first mountain bike, unless you consider a stingray I
rode in the dirt in the 60s a mountain bike, was a Marin
Palisades Trail. It ran about $350. I really tricked it
out with a couple of titanium valve stem caps which cut
the weight down from about thirty pounds to right around
thirty pounds.

As long as it's in good working order, buy it. You won't
have to worry as much about it getting stolen when you ride
it to the store. Not because it won't get stolen, but you'll
say, "Eh. Forty five bucks. I got that much value out of
it." Plus, you could probably sell it for that much in a
year if you needed to.

T o m Dillon Lakewood, CO Z to S to email

supabonbon said:

Do you use a bike for anything other than trailriding?
For $45, if it's in decent working condition, it's a
steal for a commuter/shopping/barhopping bike. Put a
basket on it, buy a good lock, don't upgrade anything,
and leave the car at home. It has paid for itself once
you've ridden through 2 tanks of gas. I love my beater
bikes over my 'nice' bikes.

Things worth "upgrading" (changing may be a better word) are
comfort bits like seat, handlebars, & grips, as well as
tires. After about $60 in mods, my old Marin is now so comfy
to ride that I end up riding it more than my newer (and MUCH
more expensive) MTB.

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On 2004-06-29, Sunastar penned:

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Monique,

Quoted message said:

Marin Palisades Trail

Quoted message said:

$45

Buy it. Ride it on a few trails you usually ride. Fall in
love with your current bike all over again!

Hehehe.

Quoted message said:

My first mountain bike, unless you consider a stingray I
rode in the dirt in the 60s a mountain bike, was a Marin
Palisades Trail. It ran about $350. I really tricked it
out with a couple of titanium valve stem caps which cut
the weight down from about thirty pounds to right around
thirty pounds.

Well, the bike shop weighed my Sugar, and it came in at 29.6
pounds ... so 30 doesn't sound too bad to me =P

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As long as it's in good working order, buy it. You won't
have to worry as much about it getting stolen when you
ride it to the store. Not because it won't get stolen, but
you'll say, "Eh. Forty five bucks. I got that much value
out of it." Plus, you could probably sell it for that much
in a year if you needed to.

All good points. I hope I'm never in such desperate need
that selling a $45 bike is going to make the difference ...
but then, fate is fickle.

--
monique

On 2004-06-28, Monique Y. Mudama penned:

Quoted message said:

So this second-hand store across the street has a few
bikes for sale. One of them's frame is labeled "Marin
Palisades Trail". It's dark green and rigid, and the fork
seems to match exactly in color. Now, I've done some web
searching, and the only links I find are to recent (2000
onward) hardtails. Some portion of the front brake was
labeled Shimano XT, but it looks all weird (old): the
cable seems to come down the center and then spread out to
both calipers, rather than coming to one side? I'm sure
I'm botching the description.

... Any ideas on this bike? Was it intended to be a true
mountain bike or a hybrid? Is this a "find" at $45, or
just another used bike?

Turns out it's just too tall for me -- it rubs up against
areas I don't want bikes rubbing up against.

Boo =/

The funny part is that a newer, shinier dept. store bike is
going for $65 ...

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monique

Monique Sez:

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Turns out it's just too tall for me -- it rubs up against
areas I don't want bikes rubbing up against.

Buy it anyway and turn it into a bizarro bike for the Fruita
Fat Tire Festival.

If you don't I might. What bike store is it?

T o m Dillon Lakewood Z to S to email

On 2004-06-29, Sunastar penned:

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Monique Sez:

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Turns out it's just too tall for me -- it rubs up against
areas I don't want bikes rubbing up against.

Buy it anyway and turn it into a bizarro bike for the
Fruita Fat Tire Festival.

If you don't I might. What bike store is it?

It's not a bike store. It's a second-hand store that opened
up just a week or so ago in Boulder. It's across from the
Quizno's on Arapahoe ... here are the directions according
to Quizno's:

tinyurl.comytp9fOpen ↗

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monique

Monique sez:

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here are the directions

Thanks. If you change your mind email me. Change the Zs to
Ss in the from address. I'll try to pick it up this weekend.

T o m Dillon Lakewood, CO