Manganese saddle rails?

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I have a question I've been meaning to ask for years. When

"manganese"

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is listed as the saddle rail material, what does that mean?

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Does it mean that the saddle rails are a manganese-alloyed steel?

That's what it means. That's also what it means when a saddle maker
claims "vanadium" rails. They're ordinary steel.

Manganese is a very common alloying element in steel. Reynolds 531 is
a well known example of manganese-molybdenum steel.

Chalo Colina

Chalo said:

Quoted message said:

I have a question I've been meaning to ask for years. When

"manganese"

Quoted message said:

is listed as the saddle rail material, what does that mean?

...

Quoted message said:

Does it mean that the saddle rails are a manganese-alloyed steel?

That's what it means. That's also what it means when a saddle maker
claims "vanadium" rails. They're ordinary steel.

Manganese is a very common alloying element in steel. Reynolds 531 is
a well known example of manganese-molybdenum steel.

Chalo Colina

you said it!

with respect though, while some manganese is common in most carbon steel
[deals with any sulfur present], /high/ manganese steels, those used in
this application, are far from "ordinary".

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I have a question I've been meaning to ask for years. When "manganese"
is listed as the saddle rail material, what does that mean? Except for
Bike saddles, I've never heard of manganese as a single metal, or
predominant metal. Of course, I've heard of it as one of the primary
alloys in steel.
Does it mean that the saddle rails are a manganese-alloyed steel? or
what?

Yes, that's right. Also common are vanadium steels . In any
event it's a steel alloy.

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I have a question I've been meaning to ask for years. When "manganese"
is listed as the saddle rail material, what does that mean?

Does it mean that the saddle rails are a manganese-alloyed steel?

Yes. Marketing people love to find obscure bits of technical
information that they can Use As A Feature; that's what's going on
here.

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So back in the '70s & '80s when Trek was making frames w/ 531 they
could have called them "manganese" frames?
What I find surprising is that several different saddle manufactures
use the term in describing their saddles.
Seems odd.
John

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So back in the '70s & '80s when Trek was making frames w/ 531 they
could have called them "manganese" frames?
What I find surprising is that several different saddle manufactures
use the term in describing their saddles.
Seems odd.

CrMo rails are fairly common, and often labelled as such. If you're
lucky, they're also hollow.