Manchester postwoman reinstated

On Thu, 18 Nov 2004 09:21:56 +0000 someone who may be "Just zis Guy,
you know?" <[email hidden]> wrote this:-

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The postal worker in Manchester sacked for not wearing her helmet has
been reinstated, and the strike called off.

http://www.manchesteronline.co.uk/news/s/137/137165_postal_staff_call_off_helmet_strike.html

However the staff are still being shafted by their trade union.

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David Hansen said:

However the staff are still being shafted by their trade union.

In the sort of well meaning but actually [censored] and misguided way one
often associates with lid wearing campaigns. "Shafted" suggests, at
least to me, an act of deliberate malice.

Pete.
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Peter Clinch said:

"Shafted" suggests, at
least to me, an act of deliberate malice.

Deliberate and wilful it was. Malicious? Hard to say. It is the
result of maybe only a single Liddite in a powerful place.

Here's a question, though: has anyone kept records of cycling posties'
head injuries? As workplace injuries I'm guessing they would be
recorded in some details. It would be interesting to see what happens
to the trends as a result of this rule.

Guy
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88% of helmet statistics are made up, 65% of them at Washington University

On Thu, 18 Nov 2004 11:18:11 +0000 someone who may be Peter Clinch
<[email hidden]> wrote this:-

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

However the staff are still being shafted by their trade union.

In the sort of well meaning but actually [censored] and misguided way one
often associates with lid wearing campaigns. "Shafted" suggests, at
least to me, an act of deliberate malice.

How much [censored] and misguidance does it take before one concludes
something is malicious?

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David Hansen, Edinburgh | PGP email preferred-key number F566DA0E
I will always explain revoked keys, unless the UK government
prevents me by using the RIP Act 2000.

On Thu, 18 Nov 2004 13:55:18 +0000 someone who may be "Just zis Guy,
you know?" <[email hidden]> wrote this:-

Quoted message said:

Here's a question, though: has anyone kept records of cycling posties'
head injuries? As workplace injuries I'm guessing they would be
recorded in some details. It would be interesting to see what happens
to the trends as a result of this rule.

The Post Office, or whatever they are called this week, should have
records of all injuries at work as part of their first aid system.

If they claim there are none than I think it fair to assume the
records don't show what the liddites want them to show and so they
have been hidden.

A bit like the minutes of meeting between the Home Office and police
regarding the visit of representatives of the Chinese repressive
government to the UK. Anyone who thinks these were "lost", as was
claimed, may be interested in a bridge which I have for sale.

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David Hansen, Edinburgh | PGP email preferred-key number F566DA0E
I will always explain revoked keys, unless the UK government
prevents me by using the RIP Act 2000.

you know? said:

Here's a question, though: has anyone kept records of cycling posties'
head injuries? As workplace injuries I'm guessing they would be
recorded in some details. It would be interesting to see what happens
to the trends as a result of this rule.

I doubt if simple injury rates would tell much as the wearing rate is
so low, even with the threat of dismissal. The low take up rate, I
think, is the main message that compulsionists should take on board.

--
Dave...

Get a bicycle. You will not regret it. If you live. - Mark Twain

"Just zis Guy, you know?" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

The postal worker in Manchester sacked for not wearing her helmet has
been reinstated, and the strike called off.

http://www.manchesteronline.co.uk/news/s/137/137165_postal_staff_call_off_helmet_strike.html

I take it you have used the "comment on this story" option Guy?

Rich said:

I take it you have used the "comment on this story" option Guy?

Not as yet.

Guy
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88% of helmet statistics are made up, 65% of them at Washington University

David Hansen [email hidden] opined the following...

Quoted message said:

How much [censored] and misguidance does it take before one concludes
something is malicious?

Misguided does not equal malicious. It is possible to do something
believing that you have someone's best interests at heart (Ask any major
religion about their "missions"!) while having a negative effect.

Jon

On Sat, 20 Nov 2004 19:50:58 -0000 someone who may be Jon Senior
<jon_AT_restlesslemon_DOTco_DOT_uk> wrote this:-

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

How much [censored] and misguidance does it take before one concludes
something is malicious?

Misguided does not equal malicious.

Up to a point.

However, at some point there is likely to only be one reason left
and that is malice. Helmeteers know that their beloved 85% figure is
incorrect, but they still continue to spout it.

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Dave Kahn <[email hidden]> whizzed past me shouting

Quoted message said:

you know? said:

Here's a question, though: has anyone kept records of cycling posties'
head injuries? As workplace injuries I'm guessing they would be
recorded in some details. It would be interesting to see what happens
to the trends as a result of this rule.

I doubt if simple injury rates would tell much as the wearing rate is
so low, even with the threat of dismissal. The low take up rate, I
think, is the main message that compulsionists should take on board.

Maybe they should just look for lights on any bicycles, and take a clue
from that.

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Sue ]8(🙂

What goes down must come up again - Confucius' Law of Mountain Biking